wrestle-offs - Friday

[BanjoSaysWoof]

Get off your high horse. No one is knocking a guy for making R12. That's a great accomplishment individually depending on caliber of wrestler the guy was going into college.

If you're trying to win team titles, R12 isn't going to cut it. That's the only thing people mean by "hole". Hole = not scoring enough points at nationals to contribute to the team winning a national championship. Pick a more PC word than hole if it's triggering you or else head back to your safe space over at BWI.

So, how many team points is enough at a weight that it’s not a hole?

Here is what I mean: a r12 finish with a guy who loses in round 1 and wrestled back is worth 1/2 the amount of points as a guy who moves that far in the championship brackets and then loses two.

Is a better way of guaging guys team points? Or finish?

Also, at my BJJ club there is a sign that says “never pick a fight with a guy who has cauliflower ear” .... its funny when I hear about a fight in a wrestling room because no one seemed to follow that advice. As long as coaches know when to break it up and it stays in the room, i think it’s healthy. (I mean always break it up, but sometimes as a coach, you walk a little slower to the fights you know need to happen)

 

[dmlawdad]

That's cool. I know many don't like him but I do. He's a fan of wrestling and gets excited about it, we need more Shane Sparks.

Actually what we need is more cow bell.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Honest question-
Does is make you equally mad when someone refers to a pro athlete as terrible? A qb that threw 3 interceptions, a ballplayer with an error and 4 strikeouts etc? Almost everyone making those comments couldn't have sniffed the big leagues, but athletes in any sport are compared to other pro athletes, not average joes.

No. They’re being paid millions to play. Most wrestlers are getting peanuts for the sweat they put into the sport. It’s good to see that no one sees the difference. Carry on.

 

[YoungGun07]

No. They’re being paid millions to play. Most wrestlers are getting peanuts for the sweat they put into the sport. It’s good to see that no one sees the difference. Carry on.

My point wasn't that college wrestlers are the same as pro athletes, I was just comparing the criticism they both face. Its not about how good they are compared to the general population, its how they compare to the top 10ish guys at their weight.

Heck, I think a guy was a really wrestler if he placed at state in high school!

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

No. They’re being paid millions to play. Most wrestlers are getting peanuts for the sweat they put into the sport. It’s good to see that no one sees the difference. Carry on.

And most NCAA wrestlers aren't soft / triggered enough to cry about what someone says on a message board. PSU's 125 wasn't a hole last year was he?

Here's a way to put it for you pc, safe space, easily offended types. Instead of calling a weight class a "hole" how about we say "While great effort has been recently displayed at the 141 lb weight class for Iowa, the team points at nationals over the previous few seasons have not been adequate enough for Iowa to contend for a team title, in spite of improvement being shown and guy's performing very well in relation to their HS rankings and innate talent."

How about we just type that long paragraph every time in order to avoid offending you.

 

[rassling]

Or you could just not be a dick when someone says they don't like the term hole. He never said you couldn't use just stated he didn't like it.

 

[TarpHawk]

If granted an extra year of eligibility I guarantee I could score within 3.5 team points of our highest scoring 141-pounder over the past 6 seasons. That is a hole.

 

[grapplefann]

A hole is relative to the surrounding terrain isn't it?
141 is a "hole" for the Hawks until someone steps up.

 

[el dub]

Some programs would be tickled pink with a wrestler scoring 3.5 points at nationals. Luckily, Iowa isn’t one of those teams.

 

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Or you could just not be a dick when someone says they don't like the term hole. He never said you couldn't use just stated he didn't like it.

I hear therapy cats are all the rage for those easily "offended". I prefer GFY, but to each his own.

 

[IAChief32]

Yea...we are way too sensitive these days. That these guys are better at wrestling than 99.5% of us is a given. If wrestling is ever going to be a big boy sport, than it needs to realize that criticism from the fans comes with it. That’s the goal for these guys at Iowa....AA/National Champ and they might take flack for not living up to that.

Team wise, scoring a few points is a hole...unless of course you are Cash Wilcke wrestling up a weight, get in the backdoor at the NCAAs and get to the Rd of 12. That was a pretty awesome performance. But than Iowa fans expect him to improve the following year.

The only folks that have a legit reason to be pissed are the actual parents of the wrestlers but than they should sit back and remember that their kid is/was better than 99.5% of us, laugh a little and move on.

 

[ih8iast8]

Glad Cash is sealing the deal on 84, wish Murin would do the same at 41.

 

[ih8iast8]

Lol, I never lived vicariously through them, but when you have a natural destroying everyone and becoming a local celebrity phenom you hate to see that wasted. He did crack from the attention and making kids run off the mat crying to their coaches. Nobody would practice with him at frickin’ Denver on Sundays. That’s the big time night in this area. He’s been in therapy and has only been practicing and wrestling his three older brothers for a year and a half, but now that the Schwab boys have committed to wrestling, he’s all in again. That was his stipulation. BOD is back better than ever and it’s good for Iowa wrestling. You’ll see.

This post doesn’t help my cause, does it? Don’t care, I gotta freak of nature. Just ask and I’ll tell you all of his athletic accomplishments. Best athlete in Waterloo without question.

If I were in your shoes, I would behave the same way, just don’t become Pat Downey Sr!

 

[rustynailhawk]

It was Shane, Hawkaeg, and myself on the elevator and Sparks said something about how he was excited about wrestle off and drove from Wisconsin. If I remember right he said he grew up an Iowa wrestling fan.

 

[slushhead]

I can't believe you guys haven't caught on that Shane Sparks and @Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan are the same person.

 

[hoythawk]

Get off your high horse. No one is knocking a guy for making R12. That's a great accomplishment individually depending on caliber of wrestler the guy was going into college.

If you're trying to win team titles, R12 isn't going to cut it. That's the only thing people mean by "hole". Hole = not scoring enough points at nationals to contribute to the team winning a national championship. Pick a more PC word than hole if it's triggering you or else head back to your safe space over at BWI.

He is also a part of the fan base that boo'd one of their starters off the mat last season. They are also vicious towards any PA kid that snubs Carl. His post wasn't worth a response. How about Carl fill his team with R12 guys and lets see how nice they handle it.

 

[slushhead]

@Pennstate1985: If you can't control your fan base a little better and get them to stop booing their guys off the mat, I suggest you switch allegiances to a team whose fans never boo. Otherwise, you are a boo-er by association, which makes you a hypocrite with the nice-guy stuff.

 

[hoythawk]

@Pennstate1985: If you can't control your fan base a little better and get them to stop booing their guys off the mat, I suggest you switch allegiances to a team whose fans never boo. Otherwise, you are a boo-er by association, which makes you a hypocrite with the nice-guy stuff.

Am I a bad guy for hoping you choke on that dick?

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

@Pennstate1985: If you can't control your fan base a little better and get them to stop booing their guys off the mat, I suggest you switch allegiances to a team whose fans never boo. Otherwise, you are a boo-er by association, which makes you a hypocrite with the nice-guy stuff.

What is this referencing?

 

[WildTurk]

What is this referencing?

nutty Rutgers fans

 

[cosmo90]

Some programs would be tickled pink with a wrestler scoring 3.5 points at nationals. Luckily, Iowa isn’t one of those teams.

Kevin Jackson loves 3.5 points at Nationals!

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

nutty Rutgers fans

Well played.

But seriously who did PSU boo off the mat?

 

[Mpchillin]

Well played.

But seriously who did PSU boo off the mat?

Jered Cortez.

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

Jered Cortez.

Link??

 

[Mpchillin]

Link??

No time to find the link, I just remember last year he shushed the home crowd after a win and talked about it in the interview. I don’t know if that’s what is being referenced here.

 

[slushhead]

No time to find the link, I just remember last year he shushed the home crowd after a win and talked about it in the interview. I don’t know if that’s what is being referenced here.

I was having trouble figuring out the reference myself, but I suppose Cortez works (had already forgotten it). The shushing moment suggested Cortez had been reading the boards or was otherwise feeling some heat about his low-octane style with Nick Lee waiting in the wings. After a win that wasn't really a whole lot to puff one's chest over, he held his finger to his lips as if to shush his home crowd. Yeah, not sure how that possibly could have been received well. He pretty much asked for a response . . . and some booing it was. Not a lot, but I think there was some.

The only other thing I could think of was perhaps Keener. There was one real stinker of a match, but I don't recall more than some minor booing from a small percentage of fans in that case either.