You should NEVER strike a child?
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I think you're probably pretty spot on that this kid is coming from a hugely problematic home life and background. Unfortunately, he's going to be society's problem very soon.
He was being assaulted. The kid was punching him. This is the kind of thing public school teachers deal with daily. And you take the side of the kid. That's our problem. The adult had a right to defend himself. Forceably holding the kid on the ground could have been worse.
This is why so many people get out of charges in jury trials. It only takes one person to screw everything up. If the guy pushed the kid to the ground before the punches were thrown he should have been charged with assault. He doesn't have to sit there and take punches from the kid. He used enough force to stop the threat and then stopped. If he would have continued after the threat was stopped, then he should have been charged. This guy could have handled it differently to avoid this from happening, but that's easy to say after the fact.
That child is the living embodiment of Maga. An overly entitled whiny little bully blaming everyone else and cursing at everyone and trying to get in the way of everything before screaming at the top of their lungs at the slightest push and then lying about the whole thing. Misogynist and racist throughout. It’s essentially Donald Trump’s tweets come to life. Maybe American Gods is on to something?
And this right here is why kids act this way. That kid should have been smiling out his ass because that's where his teeth would be.
To be fair it appears it was a small man as well, he didn’t look an inch over 5’4”.
Are you retarded?
The dude is at best walking at “quarter speed” and not exactly trying to get away.
If you as a teacher are dealing with this daily you are a shitty teacher. Stop exaggerating.
I worked with kids just.like this one for years and years. They are mostly bluster and most often are a reflection of what THEY live through daily. This kid that you all are cheering for getting shoved down is 10 years old. 10. If you are so damned cynical as a teacher then go do something else and get the hell away from kids because you suck.
The kid deserved to be dealt with by the cops. The police were called and the adult in this video decided not to press charges. The adult should have pressed charges because now the kid is going right back to whatever environment produced this situation. The kid needs help not someone beating him up.
If my son had acted that way, the "assault" when he got home would've been much worse.
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess his “assault” at home probably involved a week or so of not being able to play Fortnite.
Now I have no sound but I can get an idea of what's going on.
I have a hard time condemning the guy too much. Kid was literally trying to pick a fight with him and actually started hitting him. It's not like the guy reacted until he started getting hit.
Honestly this is probably a good thing. If this kid is willing to get in the face of an adult who's bigger than him, that probably means he bullies a lot of people smaller than him. He got somewhat of a taste of what happens when someone fights back without having to face someone who's going to follow up knocking him to the ground with further attacks.
I'm with you on this. Power differential is meaningful when it comes to punishing someone for launching an unprovoked attack. If this guy attacks the kid unprovoked than he gets a tougher sentence than if he does the same thing to an adult male of similar size to himself.
But power differential to me doesn't mean a great deal when the less physically powerful person attacks the more physically powerful person unprovoked.
When we do that IMO we send the message to the less physically powerful person that they have the right to attack people bigger than them and that person can't defend themselves.
I have a hard time condemning the guy too much. Kid was literally trying to pick a fight with him and actually started hitting him. It's not like the guy reacted until he started getting hit.
Honestly this is probably a good thing. If this kid is willing to get in the face of an adult who's bigger than him, that probably means he bullies a lot of people smaller than him. He got somewhat of a taste of what happens when someone fights back without having to face someone who's going to follow up knocking him to the ground with further attacks.
I'm with you on this. Power differential is meaningful when it comes to punishing someone for launching an unprovoked attack. If this guy attacks the kid unprovoked than he gets a tougher sentence than if he does the same thing to an adult male of similar size to himself.
But power differential to me doesn't mean a great deal when the less physically powerful person attacks the more physically powerful person unprovoked.
When we do that IMO we send the message to the less physically powerful person that they have the right to attack people bigger than them and that person can't defend themselves.
Agree with you here. I would have had a problem if he would have followed up with some punches after he knocked the kid down.
But honestly I don't care how little the person is trying to attack you, you have some right to use a reasonable amount of violence to stop the attack.
This guy showed restraint.
I for one am glad I have the right to own a gun to protect my family and myself if this shithead decides to break into my house in a few years.WITH GUNS!!!!
First of all I don't think it's fair for you to assume what he's going through. Now I'm sure the vast majority of the kids 90+% would never even think of attacking a teacher. But there is always that small minority who will.
Secondly this kid was clearly not all bluster. He did start punching the guy.
Third I do think you are right. He should have pressed charges. The time in juvie would probably a more stable environment than what this kid has.
You don't know shit about my teaching or what happens in schools so shut the eff up, moron. You're the guy saying hold the kid to the ground. Not a brilliant idea.
We have even been taught this if we are ever attacked by a kid. We can defend ourselves to a point to separate ourselves from the kid. However, once space has been created...like what happened here...we are not allowed to re engage the child again. The guy did that part right in my opinion.
Thankfully I have been lucky enough to have mostly great relationships with students so not to have to worry about it.
That's likely been the kids problem his whole life.
I can't imagine most children would try to bully an adult like that. But somewhere this kid has learned (and maybe he has mental illness of some sort) that acting tough and trying to bully everyone is how to live your life.
Either way if that's how you are trained as a teacher than this guy probably did the right thing.
Not at all. Judging from the kids actions, he probably doesn’t get punished often.
Kid cried like a little bitch. I would have punched him into the future. ZFG
Dont feed the troll. Dude clearly has zero idea what teachers deal with on a daily basis.
The other thing I hear more and more is to NEVER touch the kids. Which is why you will see more and more videos online of a student beating the crap out of another kid in class. I have the littles now so it isn't really a thing. However, I have seen that when I taught older kids. In those situations, I'm breaking it up. I look at those situations from the parent perspective. If my kid is getting the crap beat out of them and the adult does NOTHING to try and stop it, there is going to be a problem. Basically, I am saying I would intervene and protect the kid that's getting pummelled...and take whatever consequences that come with that later. Again, thinking on what I would want as a parent if this was my own kid.
One example was an 8th grade girl pounding a 6th grade girl's head against the concrete repeatedly. The 8th grader got launched off of the smaller girl. ZFG.
I was in the checkout line a few days ago. It was time to check out and my 6 year old was sitting in the cart holding a book that we needed to pay for. I told him to put it up on the counter, he refused, I tried to grab it and tell him we needed to check out, he held tighter and said NO. I then tapped his hand, although it was one of those controlled swats that looks like you're hitting them harder than you are. He let go, we scanned it, and we gave it back to him. I immediately thought...hmm, probably shouldn't have done that. It's probably on camera. I'm not running for office and social services hasn't shown up yet, so hopefully I'm in the clear.
So wait they are trying to tell you not to go physically break up a fight?
What are teachers suppose to do then? Watch them go at it and provide medical attention when it's done?
Things are leaning more towards that...yes. More and more teachers absolutely will not get in the middle of a fight. Another factor is the damn cell phones recording everything. In a neighboring school, kids are intentionally trying to get teachers angry so they can get a phone video of their reactions. Good times.
On what planet would you want a grown adult to walk away quickly to avoid a child?
I mean besides sex offender pedo type people, those guys need to walk TF away from kids ASAP. This kid needs to learn a bit regarding respecting adults, maybe that makes me old fashion to believe that children should not be walking all over their parents and other adults.
I'm not saying beat the eff out of the kids but in this case I would of let it pass...kid is out of control and he needs to have a better understanding that he isn't in control of anything at the age of 10.
Sure I know. Middle.of the school day and you are acting....well like a 10 year old punk here on social media. So what are your students doing right now Mr. Teacher?
No empathy and trashing a 10 year old kid. That says more about you as a teacher than anything else
Shame on you. Go find a different profession or take a serious look at.your values.
Sure I know what teachers do. I worked with kids just like this as a teacher for years and years .
This is a 10 year old kid and he does need to be checked. Funny how checking a ten year old for many of you is to model his behavior back to him and win because the adult is bigger and stronger.
Let's teach that kid a lesson for being a punk ass trying to fight people.....by fighting him
That is some genius level logic right there.
So what's your strategy to stop him from beating on that guy?
Hug it out with him or something?
