You should NEVER strike a child?

[Gimmered]

I admitted to being wrong because I was wrong but this isn't a black and white world we live in. If an adult did that to your kid would you be justified in knocking the guy on his ass? If I walked up and saw that I would absolutely defend the kid. If I had been there in this exact scenario with this kid I know I would have stepped between them.

This is a ten year old kid and the glee expressed on here about him getting choked abd shoved to the ground is a bit disgusting.

The kid was wrong but that guy wasn't acting in self defense he was acting in anger. You can see it building. He went after that kid. The police were on their way so all he really needed to do was wait.

First off, my kid NEVER would have acted like that because he would have known I'd been the adult that would have knocked him on his ass.

Again, help yourself out of this by walking away and leave the board for a few days because you are the first person dumb enough to bring both the right and the left together long enough to call you out for being an idiot.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Still defending your wrong stance I see. Except now claiming you’ve actually done the “right thing,” yourself. Classic HROT.

Exactly ...

 

[Tom Paris]

First off, my kid NEVER would have acted like that because he would have known I'd been the adult that would have knocked him on his ass.

Again, help yourself out of this by walking away and leave the board for a few days because you are the first person dumb enough to bring both the right and the left together long enough to call you out for being an idiot.

It took me awhile for that to soak in while going through this thread...both sides of the political aisle were in agreement. Rarely happens here.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Maybe this kid getting shoved to the ground is the wake-up call that he needs?

Maybe he'll think twice about hitting other people now?

I absolutely agree this kid should be viewed with some empathy. He is obviously deeply disturbed and needs major psychological help. If he doesn't change, he'll probably be dead or in prison before he's 30.

His family situation should be examined.

That being said, the adult that pushed him was totally in his legal rights to do so. He absolutely did the right thing.

I hope the kid gets the help he needs.

I think you nailed it here. ^^ While, in general, it is obviously a good practice for adults not to strike kids...in this case, it was warranted and could possibly be a catalyst for help to come that boy's way...he REALLY needs it. If he is that whack at age 10, then he has a lot of potential to really do some damage to someone else down the road.

 

[TripTych]

FFS. And this way of thinking is why so many public schools are in the shape they are in. The kids have zero accountability.

That's quite the conclusion you derived from my statement. You want to blame the state of public schools because I think an adult should never attack a 10 year old? I never commented on the child's behavior, which was boorish, but just thought no child is deserving of getting thrown down by an adult. You can hold the kid accountable without resorting to violence. How do you think he's going to react in the next difficult situation he's faced with? A kindergartner is pushing him on the playground? I'll just throw him to the ground as that's how the adults in my school solve conflict?

 

[McLovin32]

How do you think he's going to react in the next difficult situation he's faced with? A kindergartner is pushing him on the playground? I'll just throw him to the ground as that's how the adults in my school solve conflict?

The kid was punching a friggin adult. Obviously he already thinks violence is the answer to everything. I'm guessing he would have punched the hell out of a kindergartner too. You're moving yourself into the same category as the other idiot in this thread.

 

[Herkmeister]

Always sad to see troubled children.

For his sake, and the welfare of others, I hope the cause of his behavior can be diagnosed and treated.

Once again, be thankful if you had 2 parents who loved you, engaged in your life, and treated you with respect.

 

[TripTych]

The kid was punching a friggin adult. Obviously he already thinks violence is the answer to everything. I'm guessing he would have punched the hell out of a kindergartner too. You're moving yourself into the same category as the other idiot in this thread.

You guys and your hyperbole. Obviously the child does not think violence is the answer to everything at age 10, he was open to being reasoned with early in the clip if the adult had taken a few seconds to diffuse the situation or walk away. He can be taught by a responsible adult that hitting someone (I don't really call what he was doing "punching a friggin adult") is not the proper response. But now after being told he was going to get his ass kicked by the adult, that's how grown-ups handle difficult situations, with threats of violence, and then acting upon those threats.

Thanks for calling that other poster an idiot, it really helps you look like a well-reasoned adult. Are you so defensive of Alabama pants because you see a bit of him in you? Because that's how you would have responded? Otherwise, I'm not so sure why everyone so onboard with defending an adult that threw down a 10 year old child by his throat.

 

[pablow]

You guys and your hyperbole. Obviously the child does not think violence is the answer to everything at age 10, he was open to being reasoned with early in the clip if the adult had taken a few seconds to diffuse the situation or walk away. He can be taught by a responsible adult that hitting someone (I don't really call what he was doing "punching a friggin adult") is not the proper response. But now after being told he was going to get his ass kicked by the adult, that's how grown-ups handle difficult situations, with threats of violence, and then acting upon those threats.

Thanks for calling that other poster an idiot, it really helps you look like a well-reasoned adult. Are you so defensive of Alabama pants because you see a bit of him in you? Because that's how you would have responded? Otherwise, I'm not so sure why everyone so onboard with defending an adult that threw down a 10 year old child by his throat.

The adult was defending himself. He does not have to put up with being physically assaulted by this kid. And, he didn't use excessive force. Your suggested approach is the very same approach that created this bully. This kid has never been held accountable for his crap. You don't get it.

 

[Rustys Dad]

That's quite the conclusion you derived from my statement. You want to blame the state of public schools because I think an adult should never attack a 10 year old? I never commented on the child's behavior, which was boorish, but just thought no child is deserving of getting thrown down by an adult. You can hold the kid accountable without resorting to violence. How do you think he's going to react in the next difficult situation he's faced with? A kindergartner is pushing him on the playground? I'll just throw him to the ground as that's how the adults in my school solve conflict?

This kid started punching an adult male ... Then proceeded to tell an adult woman to f&ck off and then called same said woman a wh*ore...

So if this future orange jump-suit wearing individual got in your face and punched you and then told your wife/sister/mother to f*ck off and then called her a wh*re ... what exactly would you do then? Make him take a time out? Try to reason with "Billy?"As he tosses a left jab would you kindly suggest 'let's have a verbal resolution ...'

Please, tell me exactly what you would have done in this situation (and keep in mind, this kid isn't backing down from you) as he is throwing haymakers at you ...

 

[McLovin32]

Thanks for calling that other poster an idiot, it really helps you look like a well-reasoned adult. Are you so defensive of Alabama pants because you see a bit of him in you? Because that's how you would have responded? Otherwise, I'm not so sure why everyone so onboard with defending an adult that threw down a 10 year old child by his throat.

This is HROT, I'm sorry I don't meet your standards for sounding like a "well-reasoned adult." I'm going to lose sleep over that one.

With that said, why are you defending the kid? He was throwing rocks at vehicles, not listening to the park manager when told to leave, and then assaults the grown man. Followed up by screaming "whore" at a grown woman. You look ridiculous defending that. But please, continue. It's great entertainment for the rest of the normal folks here.

 

[TripTych]

The adult was defending himself.

Really? Was he ever in real danger of being harmed?

He does not have to put up with being physically assaulted by this kid.

Never said he did.

And, he didn't use excessive force.

Disagree on definition of excessive force.

Your suggested approach is the very same approach that created this bully.

Speculation.

This kid has never been held accountable for his crap.

So the best way to to hold him accountable is to throw him to the ground?

You don't get it.

Eh.

 

[TripTych]

This is HROT, I'm sorry I don't meet your standards for sounding like a "well-reasoned adult." I'm going to lose sleep over that one.

With that said, why are you defending the kid? He was throwing rocks at vehicles, not listening to the park manager when told to leave, and then assaults the grown man. Followed up by screaming "whore" at a grown woman. You look ridiculous defending that. But please, continue. It's great entertainment for the rest of the normal folks here.

Where did I defend the kid? Please point out my exact words rather than just assuming such. In my initial post, I said the adult was at fault as much, if not more, than the child. That's my only point.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Really? Was he ever in real danger of being harmed?



Never said he did.



Disagree on definition of excessive force.



Speculation.



So the best way to to hold him accountable is to throw him to the ground?



Eh.

Soooo ... tell us EXACTLY what you would have done ... in between dodging haymakers and listening to your partner being called a wh&re ... Enlighten us ... Again, remember that 'verbal resolution' was most likely not working with little Billy here ... So tell us ... what would you have done ...

 

[Gimmered]

Really? Was he ever in real danger of being harmed?



Never said he did.



Disagree on definition of excessive force.



Speculation.



So the best way to to hold him accountable is to throw him to the ground?



Eh.

So now we only are left with this question. Do we have 2 idiots on this board, or 1 idiot with 2 handles?

 

[hawkedoff]

First off, my kid NEVER would have acted like that because he would have known I'd been the adult that would have knocked him on his ass.

Again, help yourself out of this by walking away and leave the board for a few days because you are the first person dumb enough to bring both the right and the left together long enough to call you out for being an idiot.

Nah. You all walking in lockstep to find justification in an adult attacking a ten year old kid isn't something I am.going to feel bad about.

I want.you to understand that you are.ok with throwing a ten year old.kid to the ground. Say that to yourself a few times. That is who you are. That is your values. Evidently you are also a child abuser because your kids know you would beat their ass. What a guy. I bet your dog flinches when you walk by

The kid was wrong.

I am just fine being mocked for being on the side of not throwing ten year old children on the ground

 

[hawkedoff]

Soooo ... tell us EXACTLY what you would have done ... in between dodging haymakers and listening to your partner being called a wh&re ... Enlighten us ... Again, remember that 'verbal resolution' was most likely not working with little Billy here ... So tell us ... what would you have done ...

What is do sad about your comment is that you don't know.

 

[Gimmered]

Nah. You all walking in lockstep to find justification in an adult attacking a ten year old kid isn't something I am.going to feel bad about.

I want.you to understand that you are.ok with throwing a ten year old.kid to the ground. Say that to yourself a few times. That is who you are. That is your values. Evidently you are also a child abuser because your kids know you would beat there ass. What a guy. I bet your dog flinches when you walk by

The kid was wrong.

I am just fine being mocked for being on the side of not throwing ten year old children on the ground

I am totally OK with knocking a 10 year old on his ass for acting the way this kid acted. The adult under reacted. The kid should be removed from his home and placed with someone that is capable of raising a productive human.

 

[pablow]

OK, maybe it's kinder and more humane to just let this kid continue on his way. Maybe a few timeouts and counseling. Then his first taste of accountability can come later in the form of prison or a bullet. The adult here did that bully a huge favor.

 

[hawkedoff]

I am totally OK with knocking a 10 year old on his ass for acting the way this kid acted. The adult under reacted. The kid should be removed from his home and placed with someone that is capable of raising a productive human.

I hope you become aquainted with the department of human services for your kids sake.

 

[hawkedoff]

OK, maybe it's kinder and more humane to just let this kid continue on his way. Maybe a few timeouts and counseling. Then his first taste of accountability can come later in the form of prison or a bullet. The adult here did that bully a huge favor.

I haven't said the kid should continue without consequences. He needs consequences.

 

[hawkedoff]

She had it coming right?

 

[pablow]

I haven't said the kid should continue without consequences. He needs consequences.

What consequences? What could possibly convince this bully to stop?

 

[hawkedoff]

What consequences? What could possibly convince this bully to stop?

Caring.

Therapy

Home evaluation.


Did you mean punishment?

 

[Rustys Dad]

What is do sad about your comment is that you don't know.

Riveting reply ... And you would have done what exactly...?

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Caring.

Therapy

Home evaluation.


Did you mean punishment?

Wait...I thought picking him up, slamming him to the ground and pinning him down was your answer.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Pick him up and set him on the ground and keep him there until the police arrive. Not choke him and throw him on the ground

Again...what do you think the result of "picking him up" would be? He's gonna hit the ground much harder. Then you want that guy to hold him down for 10 minutes until the cops arrive. This seems awfully violent and brutal. Are you saying had the guy picked the kid up, dropped him and pinned him, you'd be OK with that? Really? That's a lot worse than what he did.

 

[hawkedoff]

Riveting reply ... And you would have done what exactly...?

What I have done before in working with kids like this. Not shove them to the ground by grabbing their neck and head.

What is amazing to me is so many people here think shoving a ten year old child is ok

 

[hawkedoff]

Wait...I thought picking him up, slamming him to the ground and pinning him down was your answer.

I didn't say slam him to the ground . That is your answer. Putting him on the ground and restraining him? Yes. He is ten wait for police? Yes

 

[hawkedoff]

Again...what do you think the result of "picking him up" would be? He's gonna hit the ground much harder. Then you want that guy to hold him down for 10 minutes until the cops arrive. This seems awfully violent and brutal. Are you saying had the guy picked the kid up, dropped him and pinned him, you'd be OK with that? Really? That's a lot worse than what he did.

You must be the weakest person on the planet. The kid is ten... restraining a ten year old is violent and brutal?

Good lord.

Guys have been kicked out of the NFL for doing things similar things what we see in this video

 

[FAUlty Gator]

You must be the weakest person on the planet. The kid is ten... restraining a ten year old is violent and brutal?

Good lord.

Guys have been kicked out of the NFL for doing things similar things what we see in this video

Again...you're the one here complaining that what happened here is violent and brutal...you're the ONLY ONE.

And in your first post, you think it would have been better to pick the kid up and drop him on the ground and then hold him down until the authorities get there. How do you think that's gonna look? Restraining a kid that's not yours, who is screaming at the top of his lungs and wants to be let go. That's way more effed up than anything that actually happened.

But I'm not surprised you can't see this, considering your behavior in this thread.

 

[hawkedoff]

Again...you're the one here complaining that what happened here is violent and brutal...you're the ONLY ONE.

And in your first post, you think it would have been better to pick the kid up and drop him on the ground and then hold him down until the authorities get there. How do you think that's gonna look? Restraining a kid that's not yours, who is screaming at the top of his lungs and wants to be let go. That's way more effed up than anything that actually happened.

But I'm not surprised you can't see this, considering your behavior in this thread.

Sure dude

I will defend a ten year old kid not getting shoved to the ground by some adult that lost his temper even if I am the only one ..

Once again I gave worked with kids with behavior issues. I have restrained kids just like this one as a part of that work. You have no clue what you are talking about and attempting to twist what I said and the intent in which I said it is pathetic.....

Restraining this kid is exactly what I would have done. Which is what I was asked . Not grab a kid by the throat and shove him on the ground out of anger

You are literally advocating for violence against children. What a disgusting position to take. Shame on you ..

You are the grown version of this kid

 

[HerkyOwnsCy]

You must be the weakest person on the planet. The kid is ten... restraining a ten year old is violent and brutal?

Good lord.

Guys have been kicked out of the NFL for doing things similar things what we see in this video

You're almost as stupid as an anti-vaxxer or flat earther.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Sure dude

I will defend a ten year old kid not getting shoved to the ground by some adult that lost his temper even if I am the only one ..

Once again I gave worked with kids with behavior issues. I have restrained kids just like this one as a part of that work. You have no clue what you are talking about and attempting to twist what I said and the intent in which I said it is pathetic.....

Restraining this kid is exactly what I would have done. Which is what I was asked . Bit grab a kid by the throat and shove him on the ground out of anger

You are literally advocating for violence against children. What a disgusting position to take. Shame on you ..

You are the grown version of this kid

Restraining the kid would have done 100 times more harm to the kid than what happened to him...which was actually nothing. You're a monster. Why do you want to harm kids like that?

 

[hawkedoff]

Restraining the kid would have done 100 times more harm to the kid than what happened to him...which was actually nothing. You're a monster. Why do you want to harm kids like that?

You are laughably pathetic. You'll notice no one from Iowa I'd agreeing with you on what you are saying. Maybe because those of us in Iowa have all seen it happen in real fights due to all of us knowing wrestlers. My brother wrestled at Iowa. Sure you can do what you are suggesting if that is the intent. Can also simply take them to the ground and hold them there. The kids I worked with were teenagers. This is a ten year old kid.


And you are a fool

 

[hawkedoff]

You're almost as stupid as an anti-vaxxer or flat earther.

Sure. Tell me again That shoving a child to the ground is fine.

I'm stupid for telling scummy people getting off on a kid getting shoved to the ground that they are scummy?

Nah. Stop being scummy

 

[FAUlty Gator]

You are laughably pathetic. You'll notice no one from Iowa I'd agreeing with you on what you are saying. Maybe because those of us in Iowa have all seen it happen in real fights due to all of us knowing wrestlers. My brother wrestled at Iowa. Sure you can do what you are suggesting if that is the intent. Can also simply take them to the ground and hold them there. The kids I worked with were teenagers. This is a ten year old kid.


And you are a fool

Yeah...no wrestling in PA...or Florida. Especially near Brandon. And I'm sure all of the surrounding people would have been just fine with you holding down a screaming 10 year old. I'm sure his parents wouldn't have an issue with it. I'm sure the cop wouldn't have said anything to you after being told that you had your hands on a 10 year old for 10 minutes. Good plan.

 

[Moral]

I think I just realized that @hawkedoff is actually the kid in the video.

 

[Moral]

Yeah...no wrestling in PA...or Florida. Especially near Brandon. And I'm sure all of the surrounding people would have been just fine with you holding down a screaming 10 year old. I'm sure his parents wouldn't have an issue with it. I'm sure the cop wouldn't have said anything to you after being told that you had your hands on a 10 year old for 10 minutes. Good plan.

A grown man straddling a 10 year old in the park. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Hawki97]

Somebody in this thread needs held down for ten minutes...they're pretty worked up.