I see reading comprehension is not your strong point. I said he should have his second chance but not as a Hawkeye wrestler. You can continue implying whatever you want about me but you do not know me…easy to cast dispersions on a message board.
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Gets the fall and was very businesslike. No showboating. Yes, please!
He saves the Ultimate Warrior flex for the later rounds I believe. But I completely agree there is a lot to like there. He seems like he can pretty much get a takedown whenever he decides he wants to pull the trigger. Every bit as twitchy as AJ.
This was you, right?
"Would say a great deal about the Iowa coaches if that was ever the case."
So you think you can judge the situation but people can't judge your take on it? I am going to guess Tom and Terry have a much better understanding of the situation than you do, so if they do choose to bring AJ in, which is purely speculation, I will support them.
Are you implying that they are bad people if they choose to give the kid a second chance?
lol….see you took the coaches hypothetical decision to bring AJ in based on your “bad people” interpretation to be a negative. My statement could have been taken either way. You have your right to object to my viewpoint you just do not have the right to call me a liar. As I said you do not know me.
What did you mean by this then?
"No. Would say a great deal about the Iowa coaches if that was ever the case."
Let's say the coaches do their homework and bring AJ into the program. What did you mean by your statement above?
Sorry! It's just purely hypothetical.
I was simply trying to understand what BBptg5 thinks it would say about the coaches if they did ever decided to bring AJ into the program.
Do I want AJ on our team? Not really. Do I think that if Tom and Terry decide to give him a chance that they've done their homework and have set the proper expectations? Absolutely. And I will trust and support their decision.
In the meantime, let's just get Angelo on board 😈
Reminds me of the joke about the guy who has to contort himself in order for others to believe his expensive new suit fits well.
I read the statement as meaning the coaches would most likely have similarly contorted themselves (i.e. engaged in a willful suspension of disbelief) in order to convince themselves of AJ's fit.
Such a belief would not make the coaches bad men. It just confirms they are men. At most the implication might be a degree of naivete.
Let’s be real here…. Albert had a BAD year. A bad enough year that a national champ was kicked off a team that covets national championships in wrestling.
There was a car accident with fault. A potentially violent situation with a teammate who had “dated,” a sister and another woman making accusations of a sexual nature mimicking the supposed photos of a sexual nature posted online by the national champion in question. Am I missing anything?
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I don't know. Some antics could've managed to stay below the radar.
And let's remember, Jesus (a good Guy by most all accounts) did give Mary Magdeliene a second chance, and she turned out all right.
Ahh. Got it…. So, we should give, “that woman,” a chance to recant her story.
Wow. I'll take Tom, Terry, Ryan to help a young man mature and change their life around before I will leave it to chance in today's society. If he just floats in the wind I hope he moves next door to you.
Let’s be clear. This would not be a “second chance” for AJ. He’s had multiple chances since getting booted from Blair and he’s pretty much blown them. I also wonder how many incidents occurred prior to getting thrown out of Blair that we don’t know about as he was not as well known then?
You're right in that we don’t know the whole story, but I would trust that Tom and Terry would be up to speed on everything if they made that decision.
Again, all speculation at this point.
I’m not sure TnT would be privy to any incidents prior to getting booted from prep school, when he was a minor in middle/ early high school. My point, however, is that this would be way beyond a second chance with multiple incidents since high school.
If I were a coach of a premier D1 university wrestling program, who was being paid handsomely, I would not want to spend any of my precious energy or resources establishing a set of 'walk the line' rules or in monitoring those rules for potential enforcement. And I wouldn't want to burden my staff with it.
To me, it would be less about whether or not I would be giving another chance to a difficult/lost individual, and it would be more about equitably applying my energy and resources to every team member under my stewardship in the best interest of the program.
But maybe the potential benefits of an increased likelihood of a championship or personal gratification from saving (or trying to save) a lost sheep are enough for others that they outweigh risks of the tarnishing university's and program's reputation or disrupting team chemistry.
To me, it would be less about whether or not I would be giving another chance to a difficult/lost individual, and it would be more about equitably applying my energy and resources to every team member under my stewardship in the best interest of the program.
But maybe the potential benefits of an increased likelihood of a championship or personal gratification from saving (or trying to save) a lost sheep are enough for others that they outweigh risks of the tarnishing university's and program's reputation or disrupting team chemistry.
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I guess it might come down to how much a team has to pay for a potential national champ. If I have to pay top dollar, I’d prolly prefer to spend it on a highly ranked kid with less baggage. But the youngest shouldn’t be lumped in with Albert, imo.
Glad your not a coach, because coaches spend copious amounts of energy to teach. They teach athletes to be decent human beings. If they are only in it for athletic ability and endeavors, they might as well find a different occupation.
Tom keeps more control as does the University over those individuals. They have a specific set of guidelines for all. Anyone can tarnish a reputation, not just those that are deemed"trouble".
There is more to a coach than just wins and losses, especially at the high school/ college level. These kids are amateurs that I would sure like my son or daughter's coach to be a mentor for as well. Part of it is preparing them for life, like it or not.
This is kind of interesting when you think about it. The kid did get into Blair. That is pretty good. He then gets kicked out for???? and manages to get into Okie st. So does Okie st run a looser program then us? Were they letting him get away with some crap that maybe he would't at IOWA? Parents could also be lumped into this. Were they just ignoring some bad behavior???Or was it when he went away, he got a little freedom and decided to cut loose???
I am not seeing(and I could be missing it) where he had someone riding his ass about how he is acting. So no one is giving him a pass or anything. People like to throw 2nd chance around. IF he ever came to IOWA, it would be A CHANCE, AN OPPORTUNITY.
Few things to consider here. #1) I have said it before, I will say it again. 197 is the hardest weight to fill. We are not talking about just filling the weight. We are talking about a NC with 3 more years!
As far as tarnishing, disrupting etc. He wouldn't have much opportunity because he would not be on the team till he earned it! At least the way I would do it. It would be you are here, you can come practice, if you keep your nose 100% clean. we will consider adding you to the roster next year.
Please see #1 above!!! If you look at it where he didn't have troubles and just entered the portal. What would you offer? It would be everything AND the kitchen sink! Now he has problems, so I would be giving nothing till he earned the right to become part of the team. Then let him earn more by becoming a model citizen and team member.
As far as getting into Blair, I live in Kingston, Pa., about a 3 minute drive from Wyoming Seminary. Both schools, obviously, recruit wrestlers from all across the country. I highly doubt that Sem has the same academic standards for acceptance for young wrestlers as for their general students though I assume there is some minimal academic requirements to remain in the program. I’m guessing Blair is similar. AJ, aka Mr. Fast Twitch, was reportedly expelled for being involved in at least one fight. I believe these two schools have little tolerance for that as I know of at least one elite wrestler tossed at Sem in the past 5 years for being involved in a fight.
I don’t know for a fact, but I’d be very surprised if John Smith let his wrestlers get away with much crap. Other than the most recent serious brush with the law, are you aware of the details of the car accident he caused? This dude allegedly crossed over the yellow line to attempt a multiple car pass at a high rate of speed and ended up in a head on accident with an oncoming vehicle. By some miracle he did not kill the woman driving the other car, his passenger, and himself.
Besides these serious issues that he doesn’t seem to learn from, he is has been a chronic moron on social media and of course was involved in a skirmish after a college match in the team handshake line. AJ has had multiple wonderful opportunities and has continued to behave in a way that suggests that he doesn’t believe rules apply to him. Some people believe he is entitled to another shot at a spot on a D1 wrestling team, another wonderful opportunity. I am not one of them.
For each day you don’t make a post I will donate $1 to the HWC and $1 to WFL. Anyone else with me? In the words of the great Pinters, “match me”.
OK, I am not too concerned about a fight unless it was something out of the ordinary. For example if he attacked, because many schools have zero tolerance policies that are BS and I have seen it first hand. You could get attacked here where I live, defend yourself, and get suspended! Obviously I am not sayingg that is what happened or defending him.
The car cash does sound disturbing, as does the other crap no doubt.
GONGRATS, this is your best post ever. YES, I will certainly take you up on this and lets have everyone join this swell fella(or lady? not too sure???) as he/she asked!
But I am. And that's how I know the kinds of lessons and discipline being discussed is coached at the youth level (not to 20 somethings).
I agree 100%. I just don't think special rules and discipline for one is part of coaching at the college level.
This sounds good in theory. All I am saying is that I perceive the likely risk vs reward to set up such an opportunity as not being worth it.
Some amount of energy and resources would be necessary to set up this opportunity. Then they either flourish and succeed or crash and burn, with some intermediate possibilities as well. Unfortunately, I see a higher probability toward the end of failure.
I don't wish any ill-will to AJ or the Ferrari family. I just think Iowa should not risk compromising itself and instead should put Iowa and its program's integrity first.
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Starting today? Both are already a dollar short now.
Everytime you post 2 great organizations are now losing money miss…. Btw, this was easily your best post ever.
Whose and what's is all is a matter of degree, I suppose, from the eye of the beholder in consideration of the prior notions of the beholden.
Shouldn't somebody start a pole (I don't know how), so that we can report the results to Tom. He then will address the Sports Car situation as per the results.
I coached my boys as they were growing up thru HS distance running. The best "issue" I ever had was one of my athletes (not my sons) saying. "Coach, I think I got my girlfriend pregnant".
Just because someone is out of high school doesn't mean they are all of a sudden mature and a developed athlete. Some lousy coaches at the high school level for coddling not only the kid who is a decent athlete, but mom and/or dad. College is where you hopefully can pry the kid away and start teaching.
I wish all teachers and coaches were required to intern in the inner city for a month and then go straight to the richest private school for a month.
Guarantee most would be astonished at how it would help to shape the rest of their career.
Athletics and academics should focus on those that are troubled. If they can help to alter the path it's a start, if not the Judicial system will try and I don't care for their track record. Either way that person is going to be someone's neighbor at some point.
I'll still defer to Tom.
At least that young man thought enough of you to tell you. I'm sure your guidance was good.
