Are you on academic scholarship at Iowa?Josh Dziewa?
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Are you on academic scholarship at Iowa?Josh Dziewa?
What is wrong with this picture you ask? The way you presented it.FLO's big board, Class of 2018:
Iowa -
#17 Cassioppi
PSU -
#4 Brooks
#8 Beard
#12 Teasdale
#13 RBY
#20 J Lee
#23 S Nevills
That's all for Iowa, you ask??? Why the lopsided difference?
See, Iowa didn't have much money after their shelling out $$$ for 2016 and 2017 expensive top tier recruits...
2016 #3 Marinelli, #21 Young
2017 #2 Lee, #7 Warner
PSU, meanwhile, saved money by going after only lower tier recruits....
2016 #1 Hall, #2 Suriano, #5 Manville
2017 #6 Berge, #9 Lee, #20 Verkleeren
What is wrong with this picture?
Schools like SDSU, Rutgers and Wyoming would be exponentially more popular if they started putting wrestlers atop the podium regularly. Is it your suggestion that we do away with the national tournament and just handed out AAs in an even distribution?Wouldn’t be surprised if Carl was recruiting over Witlake for brooks after nationals and that’s why he left for ok st
Again, this morbid stock piling of talent is not good for the sport, but Carl doesn’t care about that. He only cares about himself and winning. He’s a ruthless competitor, I’ll give him that. Ironically, I think these up and down lineups of top ten recruit teams hurt his legacy.
I wish more schools could emerge in popularity like SDSU, Rutgers, or even Wyoming. But you can’t do it without at least one Seth Gross, Nick Suriano, or Bryce Meredith
Wanna save college wrestling? Evening the recruiting playing field is a great start.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Carl was recruiting over Witlake for brooks after nationals and that’s why he left for ok st
Again, this morbid stock piling of talent is not good for the sport, but Carl doesn’t care about that. He only cares about himself and winning. He’s a ruthless competitor, I’ll give him that. Ironically, I think these up and down lineups of top ten recruit teams hurt his legacy.
I wish more schools could emerge in popularity like SDSU, Rutgers, or even Wyoming. But you can’t do it without at least one Seth Gross, Nick Suriano, or Bryce Meredith
Wanna save college wrestling? Evening the recruiting playing field is a great start.
Yup, that’s exactly what I meant!!Schools like SDSU, Rutgers and Wyoming would be exponentially more popular if they started putting wrestlers atop the podium regularly. Is it your suggestion that we do away with the national tournament and just handed out AAs in an even distribution?
Also, I'm pretty sure that Cael would have still taken Wittlake had he decided to come. He went to OK State and he liked it there. Maybe there was more money for him also. Maybe Iowa should have tried to get him on campus (not sure that they didn't).Wouldn’t be surprised if Carl was recruiting over Witlake for brooks after nationals and that’s why he left for ok st
Again, this morbid stock piling of talent is not good for the sport, but Carl doesn’t care about that. He only cares about himself and winning. He’s a ruthless competitor, I’ll give him that. Ironically, I think these up and down lineups of top ten recruit teams hurt his legacy.
I wish more schools could emerge in popularity like SDSU, Rutgers, or even Wyoming. But you can’t do it without at least one Seth Gross, Nick Suriano, or Bryce Meredith
Wanna save college wrestling? Evening the recruiting playing field is a great start.
Let’s stay on topic here.How Bolshevik of you...
The real answer to your question: reform Title IX
Respectfully, YOU'RE off topic here. If Iowa was ok with being Missouri you wouldn't have this thread.Let’s stay on topic here.
Three years ago, do you think anyone would have watched a mid season dual meet between Wyoming and SDSU outside of those respective fan bases??
No....why? Cause niether one had a super star/face of the program.
As much as I hate Ben Asskren, I respect him for choosing his own path and not go to a power house school. He became the face of Missouri wrestling and now look at them. They’re a pereniall program. That’s good for the sport
If there wasn’t an unprecedented amount of top tier world caliber recruits all going to one institution seemingly at a fraction of the money they could get anywhere else, than we wouldn’t have this threadRespectfully, YOU'RE off topic here. If Iowa was ok with being Missouri you wouldn't have this thread.
What is wrong with this picture you ask? The way you presented it.
Suriano is not at PSU. Manville is on ROTC. Verkleeren is a walk-on. Lee moved to PA one year in advance to qualify for in-state (I think Iowa may have had a kid do that also, right?). Brooks and Beard are not enrolling in 2018.
With all the access to the internet there has to be something that shows what PS is spending on wrestlers and their 9.9 allotment?How exactly are tOSU and Penn State working outside the rules that you just suggested? Curious to what you are specifically referencing in your statement.
Yeah but it sure helps...They aren’t wrestling for “nothing or very little”. They are wrestling for individual and team championships. It’s not always about the money.
So Iowa needs to offer more farm land but not as much farm land as Psu is offering because Iowa’s is better I think I got it...A few thoughts on the 9.9 scholarships and how some schools, ie PSU and tOSU appear to have deeper pockets and much more flexibility. Before I dive in, I just want to say I come in peace and am not trying to troll the HR board. I'm from Western PA and my son wrestled at Young Guns for about 5 years and our family has become friends with many current D1 wrestlers and their families. A handful of them now wrestle for Iowa and another handful wrestle for PSU. I remain a fan of them all.
A couple of thoughts:
- I agree with Diceman's comments. He is very connected to the PA HS wrestling community and has recently gone through the recruiting process with a close family member. His comments match my experience in talking with a number of families of D1 wrestlers. While he is a strong PSU fan, I think his comments on this board are reality based and are offered in good faith.
- Accusing another team of cheating (or any other transgression) without evidence is very seldom a "winning" strategy. It's not a good look and at best becomes a parochial rallying cry for the local fan base while at the same time influencing and shaping the Iowa wrestling brand. Is it helping or hurting the cause?
- Most everyone would agree that wrestling is a niche sport. In many ways similar to a rural small town where everyone knows everyone's business. There aren't many secrets. At least not for long.
- Each schools 9.9 scholarships are not created equal. In many ways it is not a fair playing field. While the NCAA can impose a set of rules and mandate a cap of 9.9 scholarships they have not been able to equalize the value that is associated with a full scholarship from each school. Each situation is unique and each wrestler and his family determine the value of each schools offer. Each school's scholarship has a variable economic value that may increase or decrease based on numerous contributing factors.
Tuition alone may range from $15k to $75k. What about location? Coaches? Training partners? The list goes on and on.
- Scholarships are no different than any othercommercial product. They have an economical value like farm land, cars, or currencies, etc. Does an acre of farm land bring the same market value in every location? Why does Iowa farm land bring $8,000 an acre while PA farm land sells for $5,500 an acre? Is that fair? Would you rather become a corn farmer in Grundy County, Iowa or Tioga County, PA? Why? My guess is that Iowa corn farmers yield more than 2x the bushels/Gallon of Diesel fuel than PA farmers. Are Iowa farmers cheating?
As stated earlier .....scholarships are not created equal. The NCAA does it's best to level the playing field and caps each school at 9.9. That doesn't mean that the playing field is equal for every school. It is impossible to guarantee an equal playing field for each school. It's not possible. Most things in life aren't fair either. I know it sucks....I'm a lifelong Pirates fan.
PSU and tOSU haven't separated themselves from the field by cheating or having a "slush fund". Both have some structural advantages but they are also knocking it out of the park with branding, culture and value proposition. It's really not any more complicated than that.
Just my opinion. Everyone has one.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/hwc-2018-forum-drive.217567/Where do we get a slush fund?
As of August, 2017, farm land in Iowa per acre was $8,000 compared to $6,600 in PA.So Iowa needs to offer more farm land but not as much farm land as Psu is offering because Iowa’s is better I think I got it...
Well I cant see why any of those guys would want to go there then. They must not understand business.As of August, 2017, farm land in Iowa per acre was $8,000 compared to $6,600 in PA.
Whatever clown .It helps when you have kids like Verkleeren paying their own way, just for a chance to compete...
Less than 9.9 next year.- then Nickal/Nolf/Nevills are gone. This is not that hard.Dice- You seem to have a pretty good understanding how their breakdown works. So based on your inside info, everyone here averages around .5 average. And suspect I am missing some on here.....(took Zain and McCutcheon off as they are done). This has never been done in the history of the sport, you can see why this raises some eyebrows, right?
Brady Berge .50
Anthony Cassar -.20
Jered Cortez - .5
Mark Hall 1.0
Vincenzo Joseph 1.0
Nick Lee .75
Mason Manville - 0 ROTC
Nick Nevills .50
Bo Nickal 1.0
Jason Nolf 1.0
Shakur Rasheed - walk-in .20
Jerod Verkleern - walk on 0
Brody Teske - .50
Teasdale .50
Beard - 0 until 19/20
Seth Nevills -.50
RBY .75
Joe Lee -.50
Aaron Brooks - 0 until 19/20
Sounds like communism. Or socialism. I am far from an expert on isms.Wouldn’t be surprised if Carl was recruiting over Witlake for brooks after nationals and that’s why he left for ok st
Again, this morbid stock piling of talent is not good for the sport, but Carl doesn’t care about that. He only cares about himself and winning. He’s a ruthless competitor, I’ll give him that. Ironically, I think these up and down lineups of top ten recruit teams hurt his legacy.
I wish more schools could emerge in popularity like SDSU, Rutgers, or even Wyoming. But you can’t do it without at least one Seth Gross, Nick Suriano, or Bryce Meredith
Wanna save college wrestling? Evening the recruiting playing field is a great start.
Why don't you wait to tell us how bad this is when we get to 23?Wouldn’t be surprised if Carl was recruiting over Witlake for brooks after nationals and that’s why he left for ok st
Again, this morbid stock piling of talent is not good for the sport, but Carl doesn’t care about that. He only cares about himself and winning. He’s a ruthless competitor, I’ll give him that. Ironically, I think these up and down lineups of top ten recruit teams hurt his legacy.
I wish more schools could emerge in popularity like SDSU, Rutgers, or even Wyoming. But you can’t do it without at least one Seth Gross, Nick Suriano, or Bryce Meredith
Wanna save college wrestling? Evening the recruiting playing field is a great start.
As of August, 2017, farm land in Iowa per acre was $8,000 compared to $6,600 in PA.
BS! and you know it!They aren’t wrestling for “nothing or very little”. They are wrestling for individual and team championships. It’s not always about the money.
Less than 9.9 next year.- then Nickal/Nolf/Nevills are gone. This is not that hard.
Overpaying summer camps with club money. - Please educate yourself on the amount of camps that PSU runs and the amount of expenses that are incurred at them. Fairly simple to do - you could put Vodka on it. And anyone that does this and has more than two brain cells will quickly deduce that nobody is getting rich as a camp counselor in the summer.
Probably not. He can’t even spell Jeva right.Are you on academic scholarship at Iowa?
You forgot giving parents jobsreaching out early.
Offering them club money on recruiting trips.
Overpaying summer camps with club money.
Using burner phones to reach out to recruits earlier and more often than they are suppose to.
Unwarranted academic scholarships.
Just to name a few tactics
It is not really an anomaly. Kids from rich families are far far more likely to end up at an Ivy League school just for academics. Why wouldn’t rich wrestlers also be more likely to end up at the top program?The funny thing to me is how all these star wrestlers are willing to take a scholarship discount because they come from "rich" families, but pro athletes (who are in many cases worth hundreds of millions) won't take a discount to help a teams cap. I'm not saying guys aren't doing this is wrestling, I'm just questioning their judgement.
And the number of "rich" college elite wrestlers apparently does not come close to resembling the general population. Quite a statistical anomaly.