I don't know why some posters have the need to tell other posters how they should be reacting to news and results. If people want to be unhappy (and even negative) then they can feel that way, just like others can always be happy and positive.
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Seems like the ideal time to try the qb sneak drive. 18 play opening drive of nothing but sneaks. Change up the formations a bit just to keep them thinking there's no way they try it again. Hill being pushed by Large, I don't think it would be stopped.
Because they know better than you silly! How would you know how to feel and react without their sage advice?
We are more than satisfied with the defense and special teams….. no one, not even you can honestly say they are satisfied with the offense.
Of course people care that the offense has struggled. But my point was that it's not worth caring about enough to be dissatisfied with a win or dissatisfied with the program overall.
The 25 point contract stipulation was completely ill conceived and stupid. It's another "negative free roll" that can only hurt the team. Iowa already has a proven formula. Hope to God that everyone remains committed to that formula and doesn't for one moment think about averaging 25 points.
Iowa must be who they are. They try to be something else and they are likely in trouble. Everyone in the building must be all-in for the formula. As sound a formula as it is, Iowa still has very little margin for error. Many will say scoring more points will give more margin for error. But not if other parts of the formula become compromised. Trust me, Iowa can't afford to forget who they are. Part of 20+ years of consistent success has been a very clear plan and understanding of exactly what needs to be done. The contract stipulation was nothing but an overreaction to a bunch of people that don't know shit about football overreacting and getting their panties in a bunch.
Higher-ups are nothing but fans with a position. They never have and never will mean a damn thing to Kirk.
Yes coaches and players care about better offensive performance overall. But when it comes to a single game, which is the scenario I was responding to, winning is always trump. I can promise you that on game day nobody in that building cares one bit about the final score of a win.
Media members.......lol.
Many of the hundreds of thousands of fans that care about offense have taken it too far. If it creates an overall dissatisfaction in the fan or a toxic fanbase, then it has gone too far and becomes criticism at an inappropriate level
How does a QB wearing a bright red shirt receive a thigh injury in an early scrimmage?
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Starting QB Cade McNamara is still working back from a thigh injury suffered at an open scrimmage.iowa.rivals.com
And the “proven formula” you seem to be so fond of causes Iowa to lose some games they have NO BUSINESS losing.
ISU beats us with a whopping 10 pts. Illinois only put 9 up and walked away with a victory.
The “formula” needs serious adjustment and improvement.
I commend the staff for bringing in a couple offensive pieces in clear acknowledgment that the offense must be better. Now, let’s see it on the field. Let’s see some fun Iowa football.
Whatever Pee-Wee. Your reading comprehension still needs work.
I said, "if not (for the negativity) Iowa probably wins vs. Illinois. What part of the word "probably" implies flat-out blame? I never even used the word blame. But anyone that's familiar with my basketball posts about officials will tell you that I blame the players and coaches for the loss. For example, in no way did the officials cost Iowa the Rutgers loss, where a last second touch foul was called on Keegan 30 feet away from the basket to give Rutgers the winning free throws. Iowa had 40 minutes to play better ball and control their own destiny; and failed to do so.
Similarly, Iowa had 60 minutes to play better football against Illinois and prevent pressure situations from getting the best of them. Nobody is to blame for the loss but the Iowa players and coaches. But the game did happen to come down to a few key plays that in my opinion looked as if the players were trying to make up for undue negativity directed at them. And if not for those key plays in key moments, Iowa probably would have won an air-tight game.
Your math also needs work. 99.9% of posters on this board supporting the Hawks is a laughable claim. And yes, after 20+ years of consistent success in the program, I do expect fans to be happy. Overall, we've been blessed with a winning formula.
No, if it were up to me Lickliter would not still be the coach. But I chose to support the players that were busting their butts every day for this state. They absolutely deserved nothing less.
You assign far too much importance to the opinions of negative fans being voiced. They don't affect change. Athletic directors are more than capable of recognizing, for example, that Lickliter didn't put any effort in recruiting, didn't win any games, and didn't have any fans in attendance. Overly high negativity within the fanbase has NO BENEFIT. Why engage in it?
Look at it this way. Say your baseball team as 4 aces, great bullpen and gold gloves all over the field. However, they fail to win the division because they lose a lot of 1-0, 2-1 type games because they can’t hit for shit. That’s Iowa football the last few years
No, nothing wrong with the formula. It's been quite successful the HIGH majority of 20+ seasons.
Iowa can't be expected to never have a down season. Nor can it be expected to be great at defense and offense.
When the weakest part of the formula(offense) has an all-time poor season and the team still wins 8 games, I'd say the formula is pretty darn amazing.
The problem recently, as anybody who knows a darn thing about football would tell you, has been the offensive line. Part of the program strategy was to get undersized o-lineman with good feet and build their strength through a difference-making strength coach in Doyle. Iowa lost Doyle at the same time that players were losing workouts due to covid. Other factors of attrition left Iowa with a confluence of elements that has hurt their offensive line's performance the last couple seasons.
No offense will be good with a crappy o-line. Why do think NOTHING worked ALL SEASON LONG last year until the NW game. Then all of the sudden EVERYTHING worked in the NW game. It's because the o-line was able to win up-front. Football is a simple game.
I will say that Kirk could have fortified the offensive line through the portal a year sooner than he did. But I'm not going to beat him up for it. The portal was a new reality with in numerous questions. Industries that are in the midst of long periods of success aren't quick to change, nor should they be. Kirk has never been quick to change and it has blessed us with two decades of consistent success. He has now made the adjustment to embrace the portal and he deserves credit for that.
What about 20+ years of success hasn't been fun? Again, another fan prioritizing style of play over wins
Not a good analogy.
Offense and pitching/defense are almost entirely unrelated in baseball.
Not so in football. Iowa doesn't have the resources to be consistently great at both. So they have chosen to be great at defense. The few special athletes that they are able to get have consistently been put on the defensive side of the ball.
Teams defer to their defense all the time by simply punting the ball. Field position is the essence of football. Many teams, like Iowa, further compliment their defense by running the ball, running clock, and prioritizing not turning the ball over.
There is no "just add water(offense)" recipe. It doesn't work that way. Take Alabama and OSU for example. Two programs with the highest resources that lost long-standing dominant defenses the moment they installed spread offenses. Their defenses haven't been able to overcome an increased emphasis on offense. You think Iowa's could? You are way oversimplifying things
You think I’m over simplifying it? I’ll go a step further. The offense hasn’t helped the team win. They are a net negative
The Illinois game came down to a few key plays that "in your opinion" looked like the players were trying to make up for undue negativity directed at them???? What a ridiculous thing to say.
"If not for the negativity Iowa probably beats Illinois". Sound like blaming the fans to me.
You also said fans should have supported Lickliter "no matter the success".
Also.....are you seriously trying to tell me 99.9% of the fans on this board don't support the Hawks? You do realize this is a HAWKEYE MESSAGE BOARD don't you? I guess you don't.
Listen Kreskin....I have a news flash for you..... criticism DOES NOT MEAN the person doesn't support the Hawks.
I don’t even know why Iowa would bother to show up and play against Utah State. With all this negativity on the message boards we have no shot at winning.
Soooooo….how’s Cade doing?
What a laughable thread.
What a laughable thread.
And the program and formula is overall successful. So what's the problem?
Again, Iowa is allowed a down year here and there. In fact, it is inevitable. And it's usually going to come from the offensive end. Last year produced maybe the most outrage from fans ever. And the team overall was fairly good/above average at worst. Completely inappropriate behavior from the fanbase.
Of course you don't want the offense to be a net negative. But last year proved that you can still be a good football team with absolutely no offense at all. That makes me even more confident in the formula. There won't be any more years with an offense as bad as last year's.
I think we're in agreement that the offense can and needs to improve. But it needs to be fortified incrementally here and there when it can. And at no point can the defense be compromised, which is easier said than done.
I can guarantee that no change on offense will be more important than the change in performance of the o-line. That will take care of a lot of ineptitude and return the offense to serviceable. That's all it has to be. And winning is all that should matter to fans
More Pee-Wee league level comprehension and misquotes.
No, the Illinois game did not come down to a few key plays. It came down to the fact the Illinois played better than Iowa/Iowa did not play well enough to win.
But given how close of a game it was, a few key plays gone Iowa's way could have easily changed the result.
Why is it ridiculous to say that a player can miss a play from pressing too hard? And to infer that some outside pressure can factor into the player's mindset. You've never seen this happen in sports?
I did say Iowa probably beats Illinois if not for the negativity. But made it clear that, in my opinion, the negativity lead to a few missed plays by Iowa at key moments. And that these plays could have been missed because of pressing too hard because the weeks of negativity had gotten to them. If the game was a blowout any amount of negativity would have been a moot point. But it wasn't. A couple key plays could have changed the game.
I never said fans should have supported Lickliter. They should have supported the team. And they at least shouldn't have piled onto Lickliter or the team to the point of creating a negative environment for the team.
You're still sticking to 99.9% support on this board? You truly are blind. As I've said, last year I went 3 weeks without hearing one positive word about Iowa football at my public workplace. This board wasn't much better. And when you add the level of intensity and disrespect that comes with not having to attach a name or face to your criticism, the overall sentiment of this board was actually much more toxic than the everyday conversation in public settings
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Iowa should easily win the first three games...with or without QB1.
And if they don't, that's on the staff for weak recruiting on the offensive side of the ball.
Phil Parker will take control like he usually does.
And if they don't, that's on the staff for weak recruiting on the offensive side of the ball.
Phil Parker will take control like he usually does.
I agree... I think fans booing their own quarterback had a very negative effect and impacted the play of the entire offense last season.. it is embarrassing.
Who’s Cade? I’ve been too busy booing.
When were there boos last year? What games? And they booed our own quarterback and no one else?!?!?
Did you ever think that since your public workplace is similar to this message board then maybe you're the one who has a different thought process than other fans. Rather than trying to convince everyone else to change, maybe you should accept others may have a different view or find a different job and message board.
I can love a band but hate a song or even an album. It's ok for me to feel that way.
Yes that was the reason the offense was the worst ever since KF started coaching in the big 10. It was us damn fans who were the fault. Not because of the OL who couldn’t block, inaccurate statue at qb or the incompetent boy wonder calling plays. It was the fans attitude damnit.
Maybe, for this first game, we should dust off the Flying Wedge offensive scheme.
Iowa's offense was the laughingstock of college football last season.
They deserved every boo they got.
that's what I think..
those guys didn't have the required confidence to compete at a high level... and the fans booing them really damaged their spirit.. and they were never able to overcome it.
You seriously can't believe this? Actually wait.... I can
I would like to jump into this controversy with both feet.
However, I'm just too pissed over the injustice done to Shannon (and the Wrestling team) to do so.
Might just go hide under my rock.
However, I'm just too pissed over the injustice done to Shannon (and the Wrestling team) to do so.
Might just go hide under my rock.
you must think the entire offensive side is a collection of pussies then if they let some boos 'damage their spirit'. the guys i want playing would take that as a challenge and put up to shut us up.
try that with your own child and see what happens...
tell him he sucks and that he's a piece of sh*t and watch as his spirit is destroyed because of you.
It seems that somehow you've missed my point after it being pounded home about 7 times. So I won't repeat it.
Not surprised. I've always known that when it comes to football, football fans are some of the dumbest people on earth. The combination of passion and ignorance is a chemistry set explosion waiting to happen
Good grief....you can't even get your story straight from one paragraph to the next.
Paragraph 2 you say the game did not come down to a few key plays. Then in paragraph 3 you say if a few key plays had gone Iowa's way they could have won. And in a prior post you DID say the game came down to a few key plays. Make up your mind!
I never said it is ridiculous to say a player can miss from pressing too hard. It is ridiculous for you to claim that fan negativity led to missed plays in key moments. Of all the asinine comments I have seen on this board over the years, yours tops them all.
And for the last time.......this is a Hawkeye message board. Other than a few Husker/ISU/whatever fans, we are all Hawkeye supporters. Yes.....supporters. Your problem is, you think anyone who criticizes doesn't support the team. That is just plain dumb and stupid.
In any case, I'm done arguing. You be you.
Suggestion: since any criticism upsets you so much, maybe you should just start your own message board where "true" fans such as yourself can gather, and no negativity is allowed.
No you better stay out.
You'll bring up the spread offense. Then someone will point out to you that there's a high chance that Iowa going to the spread will compromise their defense.
Then you'll ask exactly how so?
Then a couple posters will answer you in depth and detail.
And then you'll disappear and not be heard from again in the thread.
It's happened a couple times
