I'm one of the more gullible people you will meet.
Does Marinelli redshirt?
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I apologize. We have the best head coach., an incredible recruiter and coach in ☆ and now a tremendous fundraiser in Luke. Sorry to voice my opinion! There's problems somewhere because we didn't finish close to 1st.
If you ask the guys on the team they will say they didn't get it done and love the coaches. If you ask the coaches they will hold themselves responsible. If you ask the fans, it's all the coaches fault, because it's more socially acceptable to criticize collegiate coaches than collegiate athletes. I'm thinking the problem is a bit more complex than who to blame.
Has he earned that?
Aaron isn't the first Paddock to wrestle for Edinboro as oldest brother Paul was there from 2007-2012 so I'm sure they recruited Burke out of hs maybe he does go somewhere else but I wouldn't see that happening for another year maybe a semester at the very least
If he is the best in the room at his weight then wrestle him. Anymore I think it's a gamble of with attrition in the fifth year. We've seen two of our best wrestlers recently (McD and St. john) have very sub par 5th seasons because their bodies were broken down by then. In St. John's case specifically he may have had a better place his true freshman year than he ended up having his fifth year.
The exception would be if they feel they could let the weights clear out a bit and give him an extra year without some of the current horses in the classes, but even then it seems their will always be another young stud stepping somewhere.
The exception would be if they feel they could let the weights clear out a bit and give him an extra year without some of the current horses in the classes, but even then it seems their will always be another young stud stepping somewhere.
I've never understood this logic. Do wrestlers not improve during the year when they're not redshirting?
I have a question. I've only seen Marinelli wrestle twice. Obviously, alot of posters have seen him wrestle multiple times to make a conclusion. Is Marinelli that good? Can he start right away and all american and help the Hawkeyes win a title before Gilman Clark, and Brooks leave? Don't get sarcastic with me because my feelings get hurt easily and I might have to fly away in my starship.
I have a question. I've only seen Marinelli wrestle twice. Obviously, alot of posters have seen him wrestle multiple times to make a conclusion. Is Marinelli that good? Can he start right away and all american and help the Hawkeyes win a title before Gilman Clark, and Brooks leave? Don't get sarcastic with me because my feelings get hurt easily and I might have to fly away in my starship.
I think he is but he is really the only one who can answer that. He is headed to IC to train right after graduation so that should tell you something.
He is a four timer at a school/state that has a history of putting out great talent. Two time Ironman champ, Super 32, etc. St Paris Graham is an All American factory.
He is going to need to improve on top and bottom but can go takedowns with everybody not named Mark Hall. He is also a religious kid and has a high school sweetheart at Iowa already so I don't see him living the party life.
tryingfan admit it you were talking about lofthouse, you forgot he left while you were putting out your usual rant, it's ok. Eustice is a facilatater and a very good one. I am sure am is coming in expecting to wrestle right away, if everything alines where he is the answer then he will.i hope he comes in and makes it a no brainer, we need it.
When I read about Alex, I often think of Zain Retherford. Both are/were highly touted phenoms coming out of hs. Zain wrestled as a true freshman, had a great season (lost only 3 times) and took 5th at nationals after losing to Logie Bear in the semis and Port in the consi semis. That was a hell of a season and he earned PSU 12 points. PSU won the title by 5.5 points, so we needed his 12.
On the flipside, and at the very least, Alex will have to likely deal with Imart, Isaac Jordan, and Daniel Lewis as returning high AA's. Other strong guys will be at this weight too. That has to be a factor in deciding whether to pull his shirt. He could meet an Imart in qtrs and then a Lewis in consis and score 3 points. Tough decision always.
On the flipside, and at the very least, Alex will have to likely deal with Imart, Isaac Jordan, and Daniel Lewis as returning high AA's. Other strong guys will be at this weight too. That has to be a factor in deciding whether to pull his shirt. He could meet an Imart in qtrs and then a Lewis in consis and score 3 points. Tough decision always.
I am hoping he is better on top than what I've seen in limited matches. We need more hammers on top.
Retherford improved a great deal in his redshirt year, which he took AFTER his freshman year. The concept for Marinelli starting, would be that Iowa would BENEFIT from the extra points that Alex would get. How many? Not sure. Will they matter? Possibly.
Tough call.
Our starter at 165 last year had a losing record, and nobody else eligible and in sight of the weight class could beat him.
And no, I don't believe in "giving" anyone a spot, but I'm also not blind. Most of these high level recruits are highly motivated or they wouldn't be where they are, and they aren't going to get inserted in the lineup and lay down because they've been "named" the starter (although some might say there appeared to be a few guys over the years who did just that, but I digress...). A good share of these guys have large ego's already, and I would sure as hell hope some pride to match (as in I will do what it takes so as not to get embarrassed on the mat in front of 15,000 Iowa Fans).
Two Ironman Titles alone tells me he has "earned it", and largely because nobody currently in Iowa's room is going to be able to do anything about keeping him out of the lineup. Iowa's chances at any Team Titles in the near future are better next year than they have been IMO, and with that in the cards, you wrestle the best guys, period.
One could argue it would be wise to wait and see how he does and pull his redshirt later in the year, if there are injuries in other spots, etc. My position is just get it over with and lets get on with it and let the chips fall where they may. You're constantly recruiting anyway, and if you pull the right strings, you'll pull in more high end recruits to replace the departed if those decision's pay off.
Furthermore, Tom Brands needs to ABSOLUTELY let a true freshman wrestle just to show that he will. That tells all future ELITE recruits that it isn't a 100% slam dunk that they can't wrestle at Iowa as true freshman. I believe we have lost out on and will lose more ELITE recruits if this philosophy continues. That is what I believe, right, wrong or in-between.
It's wrong.
Cael has redshirted every single recruit, with the lone exception of Retherford.
All of them.
Marinelli will absolutely benefit from a redshirt year.
A.Alton, Megaludis, McIntosh all wrestled as true frosh.
I feel if Alex is willing to go then let him go. With Gillman ,Clark, Meyer, and Brooks being Sr just about have to if want any chance of making a run. Then red shirt him next year with Mejia Troy, Rentina and other recruits who red shirting with him be back in the line up....just my thoughts.
I don't think it's so much forgetting as it is 21 guns doesn't know what he's talking about, but that was made clear long before today.Right on Lax funny how they can forget so fast guess celebrating to much
Jan Johnson as well I believe,although that's by necessity. Well done. Don't blame 21, he got to the party a bit late considering Mega Just Came off a redshirt. Somebody needs to give him The History of PSU Wrestling 2011-Present
But then he called our guys a bunch of low rent sociopaths on BWI after viewing this:
There's a huge leap from high school to college for 99.....% of wrestlers. Redshirting is there for a reason and why most high recruits need it.
Hall is the only lock for AA his 1st year. But he has been summer shirting for years now
Hall is the only lock for AA his 1st year. But he has been summer shirting for years now
I have to admit, I got quite a good chuckle this morning seeing this post as I thought of them right away. When you type that someone is wrong, you better be right! Of course, you guys should now apologize to PSU fans for saying all this time that we think wrestling began in 2009. Apparently we believe wrestling started in 2014 lol.
Just my 2 cents.
Nico wrestled as a true frosh and lost to some high quality opponents as the season progressed. Obviously by season's end he was no longer a freshman and Nico was finalist.
Zain wrested as a true freshman and was quite successful. He also was a junior world champ.
Morgan wrestling at 197 took a physical beating.
In each instance it was obvious they were the only available options at their respective weights if the goal was best chance at a team title.
If as the season begins and Marinelli is way better than the alternative, and a legitimate high AA placer. If the previous is deemed probable and the Hawks make an assessment that leads them to believe the Hawks have a very legitimate shot at the team title - then the kid should probably wrestle.
I believe the kid probably benefits tremendously from a redshirt, nor do I believe will he be the difference in whether or not the Hawks win the team title.
There may be the possibility the points not earned by Burak at 197 could be the difference.
The Hawks have some elite young talent accumulating. Just my opinion, but I believe the kid and program benefit from shirting him this year.
Nico wrestled as a true frosh and lost to some high quality opponents as the season progressed. Obviously by season's end he was no longer a freshman and Nico was finalist.
Zain wrested as a true freshman and was quite successful. He also was a junior world champ.
Morgan wrestling at 197 took a physical beating.
In each instance it was obvious they were the only available options at their respective weights if the goal was best chance at a team title.
If as the season begins and Marinelli is way better than the alternative, and a legitimate high AA placer. If the previous is deemed probable and the Hawks make an assessment that leads them to believe the Hawks have a very legitimate shot at the team title - then the kid should probably wrestle.
I believe the kid probably benefits tremendously from a redshirt, nor do I believe will he be the difference in whether or not the Hawks win the team title.
There may be the possibility the points not earned by Burak at 197 could be the difference.
The Hawks have some elite young talent accumulating. Just my opinion, but I believe the kid and program benefit from shirting him this year.
"In each instance it was obvious they were the only available options at their respective weights if the goal was best chance at a team title."
So that statement only applies at Penn State? Iowa's "goals" apparently no longer include winning National Championships? And you think he should redshirt? Ummmm. Ok. Your intent and opinion may be pure, but your knowledge of the Iowa Wrestling Roster appears to be highly suspect.
Alex Marinelli may or may not be the answer next year, and for all we know he could be a complete flop, as he wouldn't be the first, but his H.S. accomplishments, ranking, pedigree, etc. CLEARLY indicate he is Iowa's best option at 165 as a freshman, prior to stepping foot on a college mat. I believe this to be in no-brainer territory.
Had he stayed at his home state school (Ohio State) I wonder how this conversation would go with the talk of Bo Jordan moving up? Since they just had a true freshman win a National Title I'm guessing the conversation is a bit different.
I thought 21 guns was one of those borderline douchey psu fans. I thought he at least knew what he was talking about especially when it came to his own team.
Now it's obvious he's a bandwagon penn st fan that just heard about wrestling after they started winning.
Thanks for clearing things up 21 guns. You really don't know squat.
We zero points at 65 this year. Next year is our best chance to win a title given the fact we have four AA's graduating. We are already starting with a hole at 197 and 141. If Marinelli can AA next year, then we need his points. If he comes in the room and dominates, then there should be no question.
125-Top4
133-Top 4
141-Qualifier
149-Top 4
157-AA
165-If Paddock, maybe a qualifier. Marinelli AA.
174-Borderline AA
184-Anywhere from 8th to being in the finals
197-No points
HWY-If he is rehabbed, then he AAs. I think he beat two or three guys who AA'd. Don't wrestle him until after Midlands.
I agree with you completely Chief, Which is why as a Penn State fan I am hoping you redshirt Marinelli. He is Legit and in my opinion easily top 8 and more likely top 5 if he has the kind of growth that you normally see out of really good wrestlers in a competitive college room.
Nope, I don't know how good the 165 alternative is.
I was just giving my 2 cents. Again. If he is definitively the best option at 165 and the NCAA points that he likely can/will earn at nationals will be the difference then Marinelli should start. I simply do not think the kid will be the difference in whether or not Iowa wins the team title, at least this year.
Whether my opinion would change if the kid was wrestling for Ohio State. Possibly, of course then we would be discussing a different subject so a different thought process should not be surprising.
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This! Alex can redshirt the 2017-2018 season.
MML...at least you didn't take the passive-aggressive approach. Marinelli is going to have a chip on his shoulder considering that he changed to Iowa from tOSU. Not only to win, but to prove the "you should have went" to the "we didn't want you anyways" fans of the Buckeyes.
Just to put Marinelli's Hall loss into perspective. Myles Martin was rolled up like a rag doll by Nickal a couple weeks before he goes on to beat him for a National Title. Guys can turn things around quickly if they have good coaching and the physical tools to do it. Marinelli will have both. He will probably never be at the same weight again and hall would probably have been high on the podium at 174 this year.
I'm probably being a little prick for commenting on this, but Zain was a Cadet World Champ. He got beat out for the Junior World team by Pico. That said, Zain's the real deal.
