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Why do you keep lying by saying I’m saying it’s the same thing? In this very thread (#45) I said they aren’t the same thing. Play #1 of Joes playbook. Ignore everything that hurts your argument and make shit up.

Jesus Christ. I never said he did it on purpose. In fact I said he’s fvcking negligent and demented and has no clue what the fvck is going on! He’s admitted it several times.

And for some reason, you, Joes, Huey and Paris all think that this is some sort of badge of honor. He’s proven that he’s not careful, responsible, coherent enough to have access to top secret documents. And the fact they keep popping up all over the goddamned place is proof that you all seem to not want to address.

You’re the one who said he’s guilty as hell.
 
That really isnt a good reason as they have very defined terms. Even if a sitting president loses like Trump did, they have almost 3 months to prepare. If a term is ending like Biden its even worse. He knew when he was moving for over 4 years.
fair enough except it seems it's been an ongoing issue for a while. Yes. Let's fix the loophole to make certain it doesn't happen again.

And yes, I'm completely on board with the DoJ and the FBI investigating to see what Biden has and what he has done with those documents since he was out of office. If they were used to financial gain or to peddle power then I'm firmly ok with charging him (Outside of really not wanting Kamala in charge).
 
Wait…you’re saying that when Biden left the secured area with the documents AS A SENATOR AND VP, he didn’t even know he had them?

That’s even dumber than what I thought you were trying to say.
You really think Biden is the one who personally boxed up all those documents? That's funny. I don't think Trump personally boxed up his either. It was boxed up by some staffer who didn't put in the proper time to clear them out. It's likely Biden hasn't looked at those documents since leaving office. We also know Obama had some in his library that was discovered. The archives asked for them once it was discovered and he returned them. It's highly likely that there are some mixed in with Bush's things and Clinton's things, etc...

What is apparent is that we need a better process for vetting that information is properly handled. And yes, this is something we didn't realize was happening often prior to the Trump issue. Again, I fail to see how people don't see the difference. Yes some people would have claimed Trump sold everything to the Saudi's once it was discovered he had them, but it would have tamped down. But he lied about having them, then refused to give them over, then claimed they were his personal property, then made up some nonsense claim that he'd declassified them by just thinking about it, and continued to refuse to give them back, so the FBI had to come in and force him too. There's a huge difference in those reactions.

The TLDR... I think everyone likely has some they shouldn't. We should fix that. Trump however took it further as he always does and made a mountain out of a molehill.
 
You really think Biden is the one who personally boxed up all those documents? That's funny. I don't think Trump personally boxed up his either. It was boxed up by some staffer who didn't put in the proper time to clear them out. It's likely Biden hasn't looked at those documents since leaving office. We also know Obama had some in his library that was discovered. The archives asked for them once it was discovered and he returned them. It's highly likely that there are some mixed in with Bush's things and Clinton's things, etc...

What is apparent is that we need a better process for vetting that information is properly handled. And yes, this is something we didn't realize was happening often prior to the Trump issue. Again, I fail to see how people don't see the difference. Yes some people would have claimed Trump sold everything to the Saudi's once it was discovered he had them, but it would have tamped down. But he lied about having them, then refused to give them over, then claimed they were his personal property, then made up some nonsense claim that he'd declassified them by just thinking about it, and continued to refuse to give them back, so the FBI had to come in and force him too. There's a huge difference in those reactions.

The TLDR... I think everyone likely has some they shouldn't. We should fix that. Trump however took it further as he always does and made a mountain out of a molehill.
Good post. However, the screams of "Way worse than what Hillary was accused of" had already started form the moment a whiff of that news came out. I guess we will never know. But I'm pretty sure if this hadn't happened to Biden, the Dems would have been using it as reason enough to keep him from running for POTUS again. And I would have been all for it.
 
This is an absolutely classic “Joes Place being a horseshit liar” thread.

Joes Place: “Stop saying that Trump’s case and Biden’s case are the same thing!”

Other Posters: “We’re not saying they’re the same thing. You literally made that up. They’re not the same thing and we’ve never claimed they’re the same thing.”

Joes Place: “Stop saying they’re the same thing!”
 
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Joes Place: “Stop saying that Trump’s case and Biden’s case are the same thing!”

Other Posters: “We’re not saying they’re the same thing. We just keep posting memes and talking points that claim they are.”
Yep
 
Quote one, dipshit. Quote a post in which Faulty or myself claimed they’re the same
thing.

Hint: You can’t do it because one doesn’t exist. All you can do from this point forward is continue lying. But that shouldn’t be a problem for you because you’re quite experienced at lying.
 
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Quote one.

Here ya go, Cletus.

You, me and the rest correctly ripped Trump for having the documents BEFORE he ever decided to fight against giving them back.


Trump knew he had the documents LONG before anything had been reported on them. And he had been fighting to keep them LONG BEFORE any public record had been made. For the better part of A YEAR, "dipshit".

This initial post was a complete LIE in equating them.

This post is simply a complete misrepresentation - which is attempting to EQUATE them.
 
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Here ya go, Cletus.




Trump knew he had the documents LONG before anything had been reported on them. And he had been fighting to keep them LONG BEFORE any public record had been made. For the better part of A YEAR, "dipshit".

This initial post was a complete LIE in equating them.

This post is simply a complete misrepresentation - which is attempting to EQUATE them.
And NONE of this was known while we called for him to be put in jail! As soon as the news came out, you started posting tweets from people who stated that his mere possession of them was tantamount to espionage. It's quite shocking that you keep ignoring that point. The only point I've been making this entire time. But it's too easy throw straw men out there so you can continue to lie.
 
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You really think Biden is the one who personally boxed up all those documents? That's funny. I don't think Trump personally boxed up his either. It was boxed up by some staffer who didn't put in the proper time to clear them out. It's likely Biden hasn't looked at those documents since leaving office. We also know Obama had some in his library that was discovered. The archives asked for them once it was discovered and he returned them. It's highly likely that there are some mixed in with Bush's things and Clinton's things, etc...

What is apparent is that we need a better process for vetting that information is properly handled. And yes, this is something we didn't realize was happening often prior to the Trump issue. Again, I fail to see how people don't see the difference. Yes some people would have claimed Trump sold everything to the Saudi's once it was discovered he had them, but it would have tamped down. But he lied about having them, then refused to give them over, then claimed they were his personal property, then made up some nonsense claim that he'd declassified them by just thinking about it, and continued to refuse to give them back, so the FBI had to come in and force him too. There's a huge difference in those reactions.

The TLDR... I think everyone likely has some they shouldn't. We should fix that. Trump however took it further as he always does and made a mountain out of a molehill.

I don't disagree with everything you wrote, but you are dead wrong about trump not personally boxed up his either.

Peter Weber, Senior Editor for the Post on 2-10-22 wrote:
Multiple people close to the president told the Post that "trump was very secretive about packing the boxes that were retrieved from mar a lago last month and did not let other aides including some of his most senior advisors to look at them".

There is no comparison to how Biden and Pence and trump thought or handled Top Secret documents.
 
Here ya go, Cletus.




Trump knew he had the documents LONG before anything had been reported on them. And he had been fighting to keep them LONG BEFORE any public record had been made. For the better part of A YEAR, "dipshit".

This initial post was a complete LIE in equating them.

This post is simply a complete misrepresentation - which is attempting to EQUATE them.
That post doesn’t say what you prerend to think it says. And it most definitely doesn’t support the lie that you continue to perpetuate even in the face of repeated proof to the contrary.

Watching you post is like watching Ben Sanderson drink himself to death in “Leaving Las Vegas”.
 
That post doesn’t say what you prerend to think it says.

It sure as shit does. We LEARNED when Trump had the documents that NARA had tried to get them back for over a year. How is that remotely comparable to Biden, or anyone else?

Only in your MAGA world, Cletus.

Also, as just posted:

Peter Weber, Senior Editor for the Post on 2-10-22 wrote:
Multiple people close to the president told the Post that "trump was very secretive about packing the boxes that were retrieved from mar a lago last month and did not let other aides including some of his most senior advisors to look at them".

You and your buddies continue trying to equate things that are not the same.
 
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It sure as shit does. We LEARNED when Trump had the documents that NARA had tried to get them back for over a year. How is that remotely comparable to Biden, or anyone else?

Only in your MAGA world, Cletus.

Also, as just posted:

Peter Weber, Senior Editor for the Post on 2-10-22 wrote:
Multiple people close to the president told the Post that "trump was very secretive about packing the boxes that were retrieved from mar a lago last month and did not let other aides including some of his most senior advisors to look at them".

You and your buddies continue trying to equate things that are not the same.
You keep pretending the point of contention is what Trump did and not what you knew when you were calling for his prosecution under the espionage act. Which actually doesn't apply at all. Why don't you address that point of deflection there...Cletus. You claimed he was guilty of being in violation of the Espionage act from the word go. A law that entails him sharing that information with a foreign power. When did that happen again? Oh yeah...never.

Remember this?

So, let's use your standard. Biden opened up those documents to foreign actors by leaving them with his son Hunter in a residential garage.
 
You keep pretending the point of contention is what Trump did and not what you knew when you were calling for his prosecution under the espionage act. Which actually doesn't apply at all. Why don't you address that point of deflection there...Cletus. You claimed he was guilty of being in violation of the Espionage act from the word go. A law that entails him sharing that information with a foreign power. When did that happen again? Oh yeah...never.

Remember this?


So, let's use your standard. Biden opened up those documents to foreign actors by leaving them with his son Hunter in a residential garage.

To quote Hillary: "what effing difference does it make?" Or something close to that.
 
You keep pretending the point of contention is what Trump did and not what you knew when you were calling for his prosecution under the espionage act.
That is BECAUSE he intentionally took the documents AND prevented NARA and the FBI from getting them back. From the BEGINNING, Cletus. That was in the original news breaks.

What do you think his motivations were in preventing recovery of those documents? Biden worked to get them returned/recovered immediately. How in your MAGA Mind are these things "equal"?
 
It sure as shit does. We LEARNED when Trump had the documents that NARA had tried to get them back for over a year.
We eventually learned that NARA had been asking Trump for months to return the documents.

Eventually.

When did it become public knowledge that NARA had been trying to recover them for months? Did we know it in February 2022, when Trump voluntarily, without a warrant or any intervention by the FBI, returned 15 boxes of records? Did we know that NARA had been trying for 8 months to recover these documents when you trashed Trump for even having the documents at all and accused him of espionage?
 
We eventually learned that NARA had been asking Trump for months to return the documents.

Eventually.

When did it become public knowledge that NARA had been trying to recover them for months?


You're gaslighting again, TJ. Or been gaslit.


Below is a timeline of key events:

Jan. 20, 2021
Trump departs the White House as Democrat Joe Biden is sworn in as the nation's 46th president and heads back to his private Florida estate known as Mar-a-Lago.
May 2021
The Archives emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over, according to the Washington Post.
December 2021
A Trump representative tells the Archives "that they had located some records," according to a statement published later by the National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA.
THIS IS OVER 6 MONTHS LATER
Mid-January 2022
The Archives retrieves 15 boxes of presidential records from Trump's estate.
The nonpartisan presidential records agency said it "identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials" and sought permission to alert the FBI.
THIS is the only point at which you can remotely equate Trump with Biden; and even that is MONTHS past the time Biden actively did his own search AND voluntarily allowed FBI to search ALL of his properties. Everything past this point is VASTLY different, TJ Cletus
Feb. 8, 2022
The Archives issues a public statement saying it is still searching for more of Trump's presidential records, one day after the Washington Post reported the boxes were retrieved from Florida. read more
Feb. 10, 2022
U.S. House of Representatives Oversight Committee announces an investigation into Trump's handling of the documents, later expanding its probe in a Feb. 24 letter to the agency. read more
The New York Times reports White House staff periodically found clumps of documents clogging White House toilets, an accusation Trump has said is false. Reporter Maggie Haberman later releases photos of some of the alleged found documents.
Feb. 18, 2022
NARA tells Congress that Trump took classified information to his Florida home after leaving the White House. read more
WE ARE NOW PUSHING NEARLY A YEAR SINCE NARA ORIGINALLY TRIED TO GET DOCUMENTS
April 7, 2022
Sources confirm to Reuters that the U.S. Justice Department was investigating Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House. read more
April 11, 2022
The White House Counsel's Office under Biden formally requests that the Archives give the FBI access to the 15 boxes. NARA notifies Trump's representatives about the FBI review in an April 12 letter.
....
Aug 8 2022
Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified --"more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to the grand jury subpoena." Trump was not at the property at the time, and media reports showed him at Trump Tower in Manhattan. read more
A photo released in a court filing later that month shows some of the seized documents with clear markings of "Top Secret" and "Secret."



Trump, in a post online, says the records were "all declassified" and placed in "secure storage." A day later, Trump, who continues to hint at a possible 2024 run for the presidency, cites the FBI search in a campaign fundraising appeal. read more


EARLY ON, it just looked like Trump was being a dick; he didn't want to turn things over, because of records that might put a bad spin on the grifting he did in the WH. Bear in mind, this is a guy who's family and organization grifted from children's cancer charities, and were banned from ever running another charity organization in NY

AFTER knowing he'd been squandering "regular" Presidential records, illegally, we learned he had "some" classified documents. Then MORE. And he REFUSED to turn them over.

What do you think the normal rationale would be for trying to hold on to classified documents AFTER being informed he had them - along with other records that belonged to the government?

Of COURSE people presumed he was using them for his own benefit - THAT IS WHAT HE HAS DONE his entire life!!!

How is any of this remotely comparable to Biden's situation and timeline?
Be specific with your answer.
 
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Still waiting to see FBI photos of Biden top secret documents staged on the floor for the leftist media to hyperventilate over. Biden probably has the nuclear codes and trying to sell them to Russia. Good grief.
They didn't find any, dumbass.
 
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You're gaslighting again, TJ. Or been gaslit.


Below is a timeline of key events:

Jan. 20, 2021
Trump departs the White House as Democrat Joe Biden is sworn in as the nation's 46th president and heads back to his private Florida estate known as Mar-a-Lago.
May 2021
The Archives emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over, according to the Washington Post.
December 2021
A Trump representative tells the Archives "that they had located some records," according to a statement published later by the National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA.
THIS IS OVER 6 MONTHS LATER
Mid-January 2022
The Archives retrieves 15 boxes of presidential records from Trump's estate.
The nonpartisan presidential records agency said it "identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials" and sought permission to alert the FBI.
THIS is the only point at which you can remotely equate Trump with Biden; and even that is MONTHS past the time Biden actively did his own search AND voluntarily allowed FBI to search ALL of his properties. Everything past this point is VASTLY different, TJ Cletus
Feb. 8, 2022
The Archives issues a public statement saying it is still searching for more of Trump's presidential records, one day after the Washington Post reported the boxes were retrieved from Florida. read more
Feb. 10, 2022
U.S. House of Representatives Oversight Committee announces an investigation into Trump's handling of the documents, later expanding its probe in a Feb. 24 letter to the agency. read more
The New York Times reports White House staff periodically found clumps of documents clogging White House toilets, an accusation Trump has said is false. Reporter Maggie Haberman later releases photos of some of the alleged found documents.
Feb. 18, 2022
NARA tells Congress that Trump took classified information to his Florida home after leaving the White House. read more
WE ARE NOW PUSHING NEARLY A YEAR SINCE NARA ORIGINALLY TRIED TO GET DOCUMENTS
April 7, 2022
Sources confirm to Reuters that the U.S. Justice Department was investigating Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House. read more
April 11, 2022
The White House Counsel's Office under Biden formally requests that the Archives give the FBI access to the 15 boxes. NARA notifies Trump's representatives about the FBI review in an April 12 letter.
....
Aug 8 2022
Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified --"more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to the grand jury subpoena." Trump was not at the property at the time, and media reports showed him at Trump Tower in Manhattan. read more
A photo released in a court filing later that month shows some of the seized documents with clear markings of "Top Secret" and "Secret."



Trump, in a post online, says the records were "all declassified" and placed in "secure storage." A day later, Trump, who continues to hint at a possible 2024 run for the presidency, cites the FBI search in a campaign fundraising appeal. read more


EARLY ON, it just looked like Trump was being a dick; he didn't want to turn things over, because of records that might put a bad spin on the grifting he did in the WH. Bear in mind, this is a guy who's family and organization grifted from children's cancer charities, and were banned from ever running another charity organization in NY

AFTER knowing he'd been squandering "regular" Presidential records, illegally, we learned he had "some" classified documents. Then MORE. And he REFUSED to turn them over.

What do you think the normal rationale would be for trying to hold on to classified documents AFTER being informed he had them - along with other records that belonged to the government?

Of COURSE people presumed he was using them for his own benefit - THAT IS WHAT HE HAS DONE his entire life!!!

How is any of this remotely comparable to Biden's situation and timeline?
Be specific with your answer.
You’re either missing the point or deliberately disregarding the point. We now know that NARA started requesting that Trump return the records in May 2021. The article and timeline you linked were written in September 2022, seven months after you trashed Trump for even having them in the first place.

You’re trying to justify an accusation you made a year ago with information that we didn’t learn until five months ago.

Can you provide a link to any news article or HORT thread on or before 2/9/2022 that says NARA had been trying to get the records back since May 2021?
 
You’re either missing the point or deliberately disregarding the point. We now know that NARA started requesting that Trump return the records in May 2021.

And HE DID NOT DO IT.

In STARK CONTRAST, since Biden found improper records at his properties, within 2 months, he has fully vetted/searched those properties AND allowed the FBI to follow up.

So, IF you want to equate these scenarios, the Trump saga should have been over by July 2021 WITH Trump allowing the FBI to search every one of his properties for improperly stored stuff.

That did not happen
 
Can you provide a link to any news article that says NARA had been trying to get the records back since May 2021?

YES. THAT IS WHAT WAS REPORTED BACK THEN AND WHEN THE TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS WERE REPORTED.
 
WHA?
Who CARES when the timeline was summarized. The FACTS were out there MONTHS before the classified docs were identified.
You don’t care when it was written because when it was written proves that once again you’re lying.

On 2/9/2022 all we knew was that Trump returned 15 boxes of records, some of which contained classified documents. We didn’t know at that time that NARA had been trying to get those records back since May 2021.

You’re trying to justify accusations and criticisms you made on 2/9/2022 with information that wasn’t made public until August 2022.
 
YES. THAT IS WHAT WAS REPORTED BACK THEN AND WHEN THE TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS WERE REPORTED.
Link an article written on or before 2/9/2022 that says NARA had been trying to recover those documents since May 2021.

*Edit - I’ll save you the trouble of looking. You won’t find one. The New York Times and the Washington Post first reported in August 2022 that NARA had been trying to recover the documents since May 2021.
 
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You don’t care when it was written because when it was written proves that once again you’re lying.

On 2/9/2022 all we knew was that Trump returned 15 boxes of records, some of which contained classified documents. We didn’t know at that time that NARA had been trying to get those records back since May 2021.
YES.

We DID know. They disclosed they had been trying to get documents "for months".
 
Link an article written on or before 2/9/2022 that says NARA had been trying to recover those documents since May 2021.

*Edit - I’ll save you the trouble of looking. You won’t find one. The New York Times and the Washington Post first reported in August 2022 that NARA had been trying to recover the documents since May 2021.

According to a person familiar with the matter, Archives general counsel Gary Stern contacted Trump’s team last fall to inquire about several boxes of records that appeared to have been brought to Mar-a-Lago during Trump’s relocation to Florida.

These were boxes that had been in the White House residence and thus were packed up with other personal belongings of the first family, this person said.


The National Archives said in a statement that Trump’s representatives have told the Archives that they are continuing to search for additional records that belong to it.
 
Link an article written on or before 2/9/2022 that says NARA had been trying to recover those documents since May 2021.

*Edit - I’ll save you the trouble of looking. You won’t find one. The New York Times and the Washington Post first reported in August 2022 that NARA had been trying to recover the documents since May 2021.


The Washington Post reported earlier Monday that 15 boxes of documents and other items were not transferred to NARA when Trump’s term expired, as required under the Presidential Records Act. The paper reported that NARA started negotiating with Trump’s attorneys late last year, and that the transfer was carried out in mid-January.



"months"
 
You don’t care when it was written because when it was written proves that once again you’re lying.

On 2/9/2022 all we knew was that Trump returned 15 boxes of records, some of which contained classified documents. We didn’t know at that time that NARA had been trying to get those records back since May 2021.

You’re trying to justify accusations and criticisms you made on 2/9/2022 with information that wasn’t made public until August 2022.

What you’re skirting here is that this should have been a low-key, back-burner story. We know now that this sort of thing isn’t all that unusual. Trump made it a big story with his reaction to the FBI search warrant being executed due to his lack of cooperation with returning all documents.

The stuff with Biden isn’t even a blip on the radar with that. This wasn’t widely reported prior to Trump making it a big deal.
 
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You don’t care when it was written because when it was written proves that once again you’re lying.

On 2/9/2022 all we knew was that Trump returned 15 boxes of records
WHICH NARA had been "negotiating for months" to get back.

Negotiations which were ongoing in Fall 2021, per linked articles.
 
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WHICH NARA had been "negotiating for months" to get back.

Negotiations which were ongoing in Fall 2020, per linked articles.
Fall 2021, not Fall 2020. And when did May get moved to Fall? What are you, Australian now?
 
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