holy crap. you aren't too sharp are you.
Fran hates Toussaint! Told you
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Yes, but why was ahron put in the game b4 joe in the 2nd half to begin with? Was it the matchups against MN’s guards that dictated that or something else? Ive never said Joe should’ve been thrown into the game during the 19-4 run just bc he should get X amt of minutes. It just seems pretty interesting that Joe goes from starting, to seeing 6min’s during the first half, then having ahron enter b4 him in the 2nd half and not even seeing the floor. Yes the game flow dictated Ahron stay in the game when on their run…but it just adds to the odd way that Joe has been handled this yr. Will be interesting to see if he’s back in the starting lineup against MD or if he’s relegated to bench duty and who gets the majority of backup min’s, ulis or joe.
Just going to point out that Ulis entered the game before Toussaint in the first half too. Why? IDK. Not sure anyone does besides the team (possibly only the coaches and Joe).
I actually missed the first half so didn’t know for sure who entered b4 the other. But yeah, seems like it would’ve been a question to ask. And they said the same about joe last yr, “oh he’s still a big part of the team and we’re going to need him this season”…is that coach speak for, yeah he isn’t starting anymore and is now 3rd string but we’re going to need the 10mpg he provides? Guess we’ll find out.
Well if this happens the writing is on the wall. And I expect it to be that way. Now what seems to be forgotten in all of this is Perkins. He’s really been in a slump (even worse than JBO) which is almost impossible. Our starting 5 really struggled. So we got the win but the lineup Fran tossed out there at the beginning of the game was not responsible for that. Our run was made with Ulis at the point and Bohannon at the 2. Guess we will see.
During the game I thought Joe may have been coming off an injury or more likely an illness. Toussaint did play in the first half and appeared fine physically. He subbed in 3 times in the first half for shorter than normal stretches.
Listening to Taylor’s press conference, injury/illness doesn’t appear to be the case. I think they would have mentioned a non Covid illness. Appears more likely Ulis passed him in the line up.
The reports on some of the podcasts are that Fran has not been happy with the offense recently as there has been too much dribbling and not enough ball movement, which was the reason for the change on Sunday. Fran and Billy did not reference this on the Hawk Talk podcast though. I would be surprised if Joe is not in the game more against Maryland, but we will see.
I agree. The team definitely got off to a slow start against Minnesota. Tony seemed to pay the price with that in terms of playing time the second half. I like the fact that Fran is looking to make changes to the lineups and they ended up winning the game against Minnesota. The starting lineup against Minnesota did not look like one that they should try again though.
If JBo is playing the point, then Aron subbing in for Tony makes sense. Aron is taller than Joe and probably a better jump-shooter. He played on the wing some last year and Joe plays strictly at the point. Rather than third-string, Joe is #2 at PG.
did you find a buddy. Good for you. likely just another handle....
we understand you are a fanboy.. Some of us are fans and are can actually see problems.
Except when ahron comes in, at least in the 2nd half as i missed the first and dont know for sure, he played the 1 and moved jbo to the 2. Which means joe is essentially #3 pg. If Fran is going to toy with the lineup, IMO, wouldn’t it be smart to see what happens with jbo on the bench? We keep hearing he is absolutely necessary to keep a defender honest and pinned to him and create room for others to operate…well we don’t really know if that’s even true because he plays 35min’s and we don’t have any idea what it would look like without him.
In the first half, Joe came in for JBo and Ahron for Tony. Based on minutes played, JBo and Joe must have been in together briefly. In the second half, JBo spent a lot of time at point, even with Ahron in the game. I noticed Ahron on top with the ball some as well, so presumably they switched up a bit. Ahron was a combo guard when recruited and played mostly on the wing last year (2 and 3), so he's the most versatile guard (along with CMac).
anyone with basketball sense should know that it is the pt guards responsibility to run the offense. get the ball reversed. keep motion which includes and provides for proper spacing.
yes they should be getting a team into their offense. Spacing and motion are dictated by whatever set is called (maybe fran gives them latitude to call plays or some IDK). A pg doesn't just sit at the top of the key and reverse the ball, they aren't playing against a 2-3 zone all the time.
A good pg sets the table. Transition, getting into a set, breaking people down when the set doesn't work and that is only half the game (there is defense too).
I don’t know about you guys but I’m sure glad @Bulldogs1974 accepted the position as Iowa’s new head basketball coach. I look forward to more of his dissertations on the finer points of modern basketball strategy.
You never fail to lack substance. I know you are a "true fan" and no one else compares. They probably should set seats aside at carver for you and fran to cheer behind the bench.
After watching the post-game presser, Coach Taylor said that the offense and defense were flowing very well in the 2nd half, and that's why he kept the players in. Go with what is working. I thought Ulis played hard on both ends, and with the success in the 2nd both offensively and especially defensively, I can see why he kept Ulis in. I'm sure that Ulis needed a boost in confidence and he got it.
You're missing the point. Why did Ulis come in before Toussaint in the first half? Why did our first string PG fall to third string? He is better than Ulis in most stats. I feel bad for the guy, hopefully he gets the minutes he deserves against Maryland. Last year he had six steals in a game against Maryland, I doubt we'll ever see Ulis get six steals. We need Toussaint on defense, I'd take him out of bohannan 8 days a week.
Not so. I thought Joe played remarkably well in the first, especially that defensive ball slap near the bench. That's a question for BIlly. Like I said, the offense and defense were flowing well and Taylor didn't want to upset that. Joe T? Ask the coaches.
Facts are important also. I'm a big fan of Joe and love to see him out there a lot. In this particular situation, I feel that coach Taylor made what he thought were the best decisions based on the game in progress. I've felt all along that Joe needs to play more and still do. If you want to try to get into Fran's head, then go for it.
See post #50.
Iowa has 4 guards that don't shoot well - I'm pretty sure that's a problem.
I don't think Fran hates Joe T, but maybe -
- Joe doesn't follow instructions well.
- JBo is still being guarded by opponents, the others are not. Frees up the middle.
- Ulis is a good shooter in practice, waiting for it to show up in the games
The real star of this team is KM. Perhaps the lineup provided him with more opportunities. Interesting that PMac had one of his best games.
We'll see what happens in the next game I guess.
I don't think Fran hates Joe T, but maybe -
- Joe doesn't follow instructions well.
- JBo is still being guarded by opponents, the others are not. Frees up the middle.
- Ulis is a good shooter in practice, waiting for it to show up in the games
The real star of this team is KM. Perhaps the lineup provided him with more opportunities. Interesting that PMac had one of his best games.
We'll see what happens in the next game I guess.
Joe is shooting better than bohannan, who played 36 minutes. Explain that one. You really think JBo deserves the minutes just because he's being guarded tight? That's laughable when your only positive is people guard you tight.
Well, I did say "maybe". I don't have any idea who deserves what.
When JBo isn't on the floor, the Iowa guards hardly even get defended. When JBo is on the floor, at the very least the other guys get to play 4 on 4 instead of 4 on 5.
Spreading the floor is important when you want KM to get his.
Glad you had a good laugh.
This is easily remedied, when JBO is not on the floor you play:
JT/Ulis
Ulis/Sandfort
Sandfort/Pmac
Murray/Murray
Murray/Rebraca
Shooting at 3,4,5 or shift Sandfort to 2 and now you have shooting at 2,3,4. Better rebounding and D across the board. I get not mixing Jbo and JT together, major height disadvantage.
I'm fine with 20 minutes for JBO, I'm even fine with experimenting him at the 1 with Perkins or Ulis as his sidekick. My problem is him seeing north of 25 minutes.
According to ESPN, Joe is making a slightly higher percentage of three point shots than Jordan on the season (35.0% to 34.6%). Joe has only attempted 20 three point shots this year while Jordan has attempted 136. Other teams are not going to respect your three point shot when you have only taken 20 shots all season.
This is not to say Jordan deserves 30 plus minutes a game. It is just to point out that your statement is misleading. Joe needs to play more, but he also needs to shoot more and maintain a similar shooting percentage when he is on the court for other teams to see him as a three point threat.
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I wouldn’t want to sit so close to you, Coach.
What substance would change your mind? The Iowa coaches already confirmed that the game flow determined the substitution patterns, as many of us posited. Sorry if that’s not good enough for you, Coach.
I think something to think about, and probably where most of the angst is coming from, is this….our last 3 losses, RU, PU and PSU this is jbos line from those games…
RU-28min 6pts 1 reb 0assists
PU-30min 6pts 2reb 1assist
PSU-35min 2pts 0reb 5assist
now in my mind (and probably quite a few other posters on here), when a guy has #’s like that and is a pretty big liability on defense, his minutes should probably decrease. Now where the frustration comes in, instead of that happening, a more productive player on both ends of the floor, Joe, is moved to the bench and the far less productive player, jbo, takes his role and has an increase in minutes.
I think obviously the idea is to get jbo out of the funk he’s in, but in some of our eyes, Jbo isn’t taking us where we want to go regardless of how he’s shooting the ball.
This is where my frustration comes from, maybe im alone in that but I don’t think so.
RU-28min 6pts 1 reb 0assists
PU-30min 6pts 2reb 1assist
PSU-35min 2pts 0reb 5assist
now in my mind (and probably quite a few other posters on here), when a guy has #’s like that and is a pretty big liability on defense, his minutes should probably decrease. Now where the frustration comes in, instead of that happening, a more productive player on both ends of the floor, Joe, is moved to the bench and the far less productive player, jbo, takes his role and has an increase in minutes.
I think obviously the idea is to get jbo out of the funk he’s in, but in some of our eyes, Jbo isn’t taking us where we want to go regardless of how he’s shooting the ball.
This is where my frustration comes from, maybe im alone in that but I don’t think so.
There is no great option for Iowa here. As a whole, Iowa's guards just aren't very good. I have no idea who should play or not play in the backcourt. Whatever, the decision, I do agree with just playing 7-8 guys. It's not coincidence that Iowa played 15 of the best minutes of basketball the whole season by riding both Murrays, Rebraca, Bohannon, Perkins, Ulis, P. McCaffery, with a bit of Sandfordt in there. With Keegan playing as many minutes as possible, and other than that go with what's working.
Again, I don't know what the best answer is. Play 7-8 guys and go with that.
This
I think a lot of fans are missing that important point. The guards are ok, but each of them have deficiencies. We don’t have 1 guard who is proficient on both ends of the floor. Ulis’ shot looks good but he’s super hesitant to shoot. Hopefully that 3 he hit instills much needed confidence.
It's been great watching the coaches continue to ride JBlow all season due to "game flow" when he's airballin', doinking, and being a turnstile on D.
Is recess over already? We needed someone to take this conversation to the next level with some name calling.
Let’s say I was an assistant on @Bulldogs1974 staff. Here’s how I would allocate minutes.
Ke Murray 30+
Kr Murray 30+
Pat 25
Everyone else: On a game by game basis.
Does that sound good to you, Coach?
Ke Murray 30+
Kr Murray 30+
Pat 25
Everyone else: On a game by game basis.
Does that sound good to you, Coach?
That’s a great start. Joe gets 25-30. Jordan gets treated like joe. If he can hit a shot or two and defend like it’s his job his minutes get adjusted up.
Man this would be wonderful. If only it actually shook out like this
Not frustration. Resignation.
Despite knowing it was a long shot, I held out hope that Fran would sit Bohannon more as the season progressed and he wasn't hitting at anywhere near a high enough clip from 3 to justify his PT. It was clear more than a month ago that wasn't going to happen.
JBo is starting at point and played the entire second half. Joe came in for JBo in the first half. Tony and Ahron rotated at the other guard spot. Joe is the back-up PG, not third string.
Now, when CMac returns, we'll see how things shake out.
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