From the guy who keeps saying Iowa was the 8th best team in the nation last year.
Fran hates Toussaint! Told you
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Nope, but they do get knocked out in the 2nd round of the tourney in a game they were made to look like fools.
I didn’t say that, the AP poll did. I just repeated it.
So one game, against a well rested team that had a week to prepare for Iowa defines a season? Glad to know that. I’m surprised basketball just doesn’t start in March.
That poll had us number 8 before the NCAAs. My guess they would’ve adjusted that by the end of the tournament. So “finished #8” not exactly accurate.
Iowa finished #13 in the final Coaches poll. Good year, disappointing tournament.
Well your guess isn’t very educated then since they don’t do their poll at the end of the tournament. So 8th, in their final poll, is exactly accurate.
And I never said they did another poll. Just that by the end of the tourney # 8 would not have been accurate.
Actually yes. March madness is where you make your name. We were a 2 seed and got absolutely embarrassed. Frans never made the sweet sixteen. And at this point pretty doubtful he ever will. Unless our new starting lineup takes us there this year. We had a great regular season. But a terrible ending.
I agree March is where a lot teams/people make a name for themselves, but none of them did it without a good to great season leading up to that point. Usually after a great season for most of these underdog programs.
No, they’re bitching because an average player gets too many minutes.
Fran doesn’t. Minnesota called TO and Iowa returned everyone. Fran would have replaced some. Keegan wouldn’t have had 39 minutes yesterday with Fran on the bench.
And you know that how? Keegan played 38 minutes against Maryland and has had 35+ in other games. The only two things keeping Keegan from averaging more than the 30.6 minutes he has now are foul trouble and the early-season blow-outs.
We have been told by some on this board that Fran was still making the substitution decisions yesterday even though he was not at the game. This was said by those complaining about Joe’s minutes.
Yes, group every comment that's ever been said on this board with one poster. I have never called for less minutes for Pat. Only more for Joe T, Kris, Perkins and less for Bohannon and Rebraca. I don't even know why I respond to you, you're more insufferable than the people that complain about Fran and the rotations.
Not enough shooting threat without Jordon. Sandfort will be but now where near the experience level and if you notice Bohannon was running the team on court and it was working very well.
Wait, you mean these posters were wrong?
I was told these people are the "experts!" How could they be wrong about this or anything else?
You are not only a hypocrite, you can't remember the BS that you post.
You bring up insufferable, yet you are the one constantly bitching about minutes distributions. So, if you want to see someone who is insufferable, simply look in the mirror.
And you falsely claim that you never called for less minutes for Pat. What follows is one example where you did exactly that, because if Fran is going to play more of Joe/Ulis/Perkins/Murray/Murray (which is what you clearly want) then that means less minutes for Pat.
So, you claim you never called for less minutes for Pat yet here is your post from Dec 20, 2021 which would call for less minutes for Pat.
Wow man, you really need a hobby and some reading comprehension. The post you dug up clearly was about defense only. That's our best defensive lineup, hands down. Pat is one of the top 5 players on the team but he's not one of the top 5 defenders.
Actually it's become apparent that the man is ill and what he needs is a therapist. Do yourself a favor and move on before he drags you further down one of his insane, neverending rabbit holes.
You really need to be honest.
Everyone can see that you wrote "if we consistently played Joe/Ulis/Perkins/Murray/Murray...."
We all know what the words "consistently played" means. You want those 5 to consistently play more, which means Pat would play less. So, no, your post clearly was not about defense only; it was also about who played and how much they played.
Actually, therapy would be a good thing for dishonest posters like Pocha and posters like yourself who are insanely obsessed over things you cannot control (who plays, minutes).
Again, as everyone can see directly above, you stated yesterday evening that you have never called for less minutes for PMac. That is not true.
What follows is another example showing that you are being dishonest and that you have obviously called for less minutes for Pat.
On Dec 9, Iowa lost by 20 at Iowa State. The next day, on Dec 10, another thread was started on who the starting 5 should be. In the orig post of that thread, it was argued that Patrick should be benched and that the starters should be Ulis, Perkins, Kris, Keegan and Filip.
You soon chimed in, saying that Filip adds NOTHING and should not start. You then said that Patrick should come off the bench. Your exact words are at the end of this post.
So, if PMac was a starter and YOU THEN CALLED FOR HIM TO COME OFF THE BENCH, that would result in less minutes for Pat.
You can't make this stuff up. Even @jonesy5960 won't be able to come up with another dumb ass response to your untruthfulness from last night.
The distribution of minutes (and who starts) is something you and other posters have no control over yet you clearly have been obsessed about it all season long. And you ironically write above that I need a hobby?!? SMH.
Here was your post from Dec 10, where you called for the benching of PMac, effectively reducing his minutes:
Kris Murray - Inject him into the starting 5, and increase his minutes NOW.
I'm not even going to sugarcoat it. Nothing about Patrick's game makes me think he should be a starter. He is praised often for his offensive ability, and how he is hard to guard because of his gliding sort of unconventional style of play, but his stamina and defensive efforts are just flat...
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@perryhawk @TheTruthTheWholeTruth , we have all been called Super Fans or worse. For laughs, you might want to revisit the entire thread (see link directly above). I thought you would enjoy this and the fact that some of the "experts" on here, after the Iowa State loss, thought PMac should be benched. So, the "experts" were wrong about Pat yet we are to NOW take them seriously when they tell us who should start and how many minutes each player should play?
Not starting does not have to equal less minutes. I know it's difficult to understand.Again, as everyone can see directly above, you stated yesterday evening that you have never called for less minutes for PMac. That is not true.
What follows is another example showing that you are being dishonest and that you have obviously called for less minutes for Pat.
On Dec 9, Iowa lost by 20 at Iowa State. The next day, on Dec 10, another thread was started on who the starting 5 should be. In the orig post of that thread, it was argued that Patrick should be benched and that the starters should be Ulis, Perkins, Kris, Keegan and Filip.
You soon chimed in, saying that Filip adds NOTHING and should not start. You then said that Patrick should come off the bench. Your exact words are at the end of this post.
So, if PMac was a starter and YOU THEN CALLED FOR HIM TO COME OFF THE BENCH, that would result in less minutes for Pat.
You can't make this stuff up. Even @jonesy5960 won't be able to come up with another dumb ass response to your untruthfulness from last night.
The distribution of minutes (and who starts) is something you and other posters have no control over yet you clearly have been obsessed about it all season long. And you ironically write above that I need a hobby?!? SMH.
Here was your post from Dec 10, where you called for the benching of PMac, effectively reducing his minutes:
Kris Murray - Inject him into the starting 5, and increase his minutes NOW.
I'm not even going to sugarcoat it. Nothing about Patrick's game makes me think he should be a starter. He is praised often for his offensive ability, and how he is hard to guard because of his gliding sort of unconventional style of play, but his stamina and defensive efforts are just flat...
@perryhawk @TheTruthTheWholeTruth , we have all been called Super Fans or worse. For laughs, you might want to revisit the entire thread (see link directly above). I thought you would enjoy this and the fact that some of the "experts" on here, after the Iowa State loss, thought PMac should be benched. So, the "experts" were wrong about Pat yet we are to NOW take them seriously when they tell us who should start and how many minutes each player should play?
They won the f'n game and went on a 19-4 run! They were even when JT got his minutes. 19-4 run when he sat. Why is that so freakin hard for people to understand? But by all means let's keep it the way it was and not try something different, something that worked!
I get it - you all hate JBo. What the basketball lite don't understand is that while he is having a poor season, he is at least a threat to shoot. Coaches still respect him. Let's have a line up and of JT, Ulis and Perkins and just watch what that does to Murray. But then everyone will bitch that the ball doesn't get to him enough. Well, when you don't have to respect a shooter you sag back. I digress, you all have your agenda and nothing will change.
thank you for taking the time and posting this.
i think there's a lot of people who understandably don't respond and just shake their head, where they try to ignore all of the craziness. and what's sad is there is just as much craziness after a WIN as there is after a loss.
Yes, posters like you two are the reason I have to say "I know it's difficult to understand."
I’m 100% certain that you weren’t simultaneously wanting Pat to head to the bench and to continue to play the same minutes. You can back pedal to that assertion but it’s patently false.
100% certain, wow! You know me better than I know myself!!! The reason that I had Pat on the bench in that post the psycho dug up was because we need offense off the bench. You could bring in Pat around the 12 min mark each half and have him close it out and he would be at his minutes he's averaging now. Baer came off the bench and got close to Pat minutes, it's not crazy. Sorry this is so confusing for you two.
Hey, psycho, you obsessively post so much on who you think should start, who should be benched and how many minutes everyone should get that it was hard to pick which of your posts to embarrass yourself with and to show that you are a dishonest person.
And now you're trying to spin your way out of a blatant lie and no one is buying it.
Fran said on this week's Hawk Talk that he helped set the opening lineup and spoke with the Coaches and Team prior to the game on Sunday. He could have had contact with the Team at half time, but did not. He said in game adjustments were made by Billy and the coaching staff and he was happy with the adjustments that they made and the win.
Billy was on after Fran and addressed Joe only getting six minutes on Sunday. He said it was just game flow. Joe and Ahron both played around six minutes in the first half, but game flow dictated Ahron playing more in the second half. Billy said that it is important for the coaches and team to make in game adjustments on playing time based on game flow. He also said that Joe was very vocal in cheering for his teammates and Ahron in particular when Ahron made a three pointer and that Joe was going to continue to be a large part of this team in the future. He mentioned Joe hitting the winning shot against Virginia as well.
I know that there are some that will not believe what Fran and/or Billy say and still think that Fran hates Joe. I am encouraged by Joe's attitude and do expect that Iowa is going to need him to play more minutes in the game against Maryland to keep up with Fatts Russell.
Billy was on after Fran and addressed Joe only getting six minutes on Sunday. He said it was just game flow. Joe and Ahron both played around six minutes in the first half, but game flow dictated Ahron playing more in the second half. Billy said that it is important for the coaches and team to make in game adjustments on playing time based on game flow. He also said that Joe was very vocal in cheering for his teammates and Ahron in particular when Ahron made a three pointer and that Joe was going to continue to be a large part of this team in the future. He mentioned Joe hitting the winning shot against Virginia as well.
I know that there are some that will not believe what Fran and/or Billy say and still think that Fran hates Joe. I am encouraged by Joe's attitude and do expect that Iowa is going to need him to play more minutes in the game against Maryland to keep up with Fatts Russell.
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And that’s been explained over and over again by multiple posters. Iowa locks down Minnesota, goes on a 19-4 run, yet some think it’s a great idea to sub in players just because. A big thanks to Coach Taylor for clearing the air.
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