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HELENE Set to Devastate Several Red States

I actually agree with you more than you think. There are folks out there who do a terrible job communicating data and they let political bias form their motivation. However--and again--just because the severity of any given problem isn't as imminent or obvious as some folks will try to claim, it doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Hypothetically, please humor me and concede for a minute that there IS a manmade macro effect to global climate patterns, but that it is MUCH more subtle than many think. For example, let's say the demise of earth is 500 years away instead of within the next decade or two as some claim. What is the appropriate response? Do nothing because we will figure it out later? Do nothing because it won't be our problem? If you genuinely believe (without simply letting political motivation drive your opinion) that there is zero effect and it is all BS, then that is fine. But it would be irresponsible--and frankly immoral--for those who have a genuine basis to believe human activity will result in the loss of property and life to not sound the alarm and push for reasonable mitigation practices based on available data. However, we live in a black and white mindset society, so "doom and gloom" and "no problem" are the loudest sides of the discussion.
While I’m not a climate denier, it is a global issue. So, until we can other countries…like China and many others…who are major polluters on-board…it seems like America is likely going to foot the expensive bill on climate change initiatives. Without a concerted world response, unfortunately I don’t see the United States being able to make a major dent on climate issues.
 
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You’re good? No need for federal help? It’s adorable if you believe this. Ian says hi.
As the 3rd biggest population of all the states we pay a 💩ton in Federal taxes.
I grew up here. Never thought it was any sort of socialism. Is that what they call it in other states that get help for natural disasters?
 
As the 3rd biggest population of all the states we pay a 💩ton in Federal taxes.
I grew up here. Never thought it was any sort of socialism. Is that what they call it in other states that get help for natural disasters?

I don't know. Talk to IMCC who thinks the 1/2 billion your boy in the governor's mansion has it all covered and "you're good."

Actually, I lied...I do know. You're not "good" with just state money like he implied. You need the federal govt. to kick in just like Ian a couple years ago to the tune of $10+ billion.

If you follow the posts that led to what I responded to (and elicited your response), you'll find I'm agreeing with you that it's fine you're taking fed money. The "you're good" on Ronnie's money alone is the laughable part.

Or...don't follow it at all. It's HORT, who gives a phuck about right and wrong.
 
Absolutely, you’re welcome. I desire nor expect any sympathy from anyone if a tornado knocks my place out. I plan/insure accordingly and understand the statistical probability differences between a hurricane hitting a whole state on a regular basis and sporadic, geographically dispersed tornados.

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“A hurricane hitting a whole state on a regular basis”… which one is that?
One that we know is coming and have time to prepare for.
Tell me how much “sporadic” notice you get for a tornado? So you can run down to your basement in fifteen seconds?
 
“A hurricane hitting a whole state on a regular basis”… which one is that?
One that we know is coming and have time to prepare for.
Tell me how much “sporadic” notice you get for a tornado? So you can run down to your basement in fifteen seconds?

How many hurricanes have you experienced? How much damage have you paid for due to them even with preparation?

I've lived in the midwest my entire life (not for long though!!! woohoo!) and have experienced 0 tornados and paid $0 in damage. Like I said in previous posts, I like my odds.

You've even moved around a bunch so I probably have more time in "tornado alley" than you do in FL.

Edit to answer your questions directly:

1) Florida. Large swaths of you folks get hit on the regular with winds and flooding, just like all the coastal states.
2) For tornados, you usually get around 30-45 minutes notice it may or may not be on the way.
3) I stand on my porch. I'm a midwesterner. Basements are for out of towners. #twisterthemovieisn'treallife
 
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How many hurricanes have you experienced? How much damage have you paid for due to them even with preparation?

I've lived in the midwest my entire life (not for long though!!! woohoo!) and have experienced 0 tornados and paid $0 in damage. Like I said in previous posts, I like my odds.

You've even moved around a bunch so I probably have more time in "tornado alley" than you do in FL.

Edit to answer your questions directly:

1) Florida. Large swaths of you folks get hit on the regular with winds and flooding, just like all the coastal states.
2) For tornados, you usually get around 30-45 minutes notice it may or may not be on the way.
3) I stand on my porch. I'm a midwesterner. Basements are for out of towners. #twisterthemovieisn'treallife
I’m a Floridian and I grew up here. Not only did we have a hurricane here yesterday we had several tornadoes which are a by product of outer bands of hurricanes.
By the way I lived in states considered part of Tornado Alley. I’ve heard the sirens go off and seen that weird green sky. Took cover in a hall closet (Texas) and spent a couple of afternoons in a basement (Michigan)
But I also lived in NJ during a hurricane.
The argument about socialism and should Florida get Federal money is such dumb assery it makes me think that 17 year olds must live on this board.
 
I’m a Floridian and I grew up here. Not only did we have a hurricane here yesterday we had several tornadoes which are a by product of outer bands of hurricanes.
By the way I lived in states considered part of Tornado Alley. I’ve heard the sirens go off and seen that weird green sky. Took cover in a hall closet (Texas) and spent a couple of afternoons in a basement (Michigan)
But I also lived in NJ during a hurricane.
The argument about socialism and should Florida get Federal money is such dumb assery it makes me think that 17 year olds must live on this board.

Ok. Great. I’m not sure what you’re arguing with me.
 


Flash Flood Emergency declared in Eastern Tennessee as water surges into residents’ homes. This is getting worse by the minute.COUNTLESS people in Tennessee and North Carolina are being trapped in their homes by historically rapid flood waters. The dəath toll from Hurricane Helene is now up to 46, and is RAPIDLY rising.
 
That's accurate. Everything in this pic past that first roofline - the Old Rock Cafe - is just gone.

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Absolutely, you’re welcome. I desire nor expect any sympathy from anyone if a tornado knocks my place out. I plan/insure accordingly and understand the statistical probability differences between a hurricane hitting a whole state on a regular basis and sporadic, geographically dispersed tornados.

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Tornadoes are WAY scarier than hurricanes. Especially those monster EF4 and EF5 tornadoes you get in the Midwest.

Hurricanes are bad, but mainly if you live in a flood zone or close to the ocean. Once you get a few miles inland, the wind usually slows down significantly.

Most hurricane-related deaths are either drownings or people killed *after* the storm by fallen power lines and trees, or generator-related asphyxiation.

Unlike a tornado, the risk of a hurricane is mostly to your property, not your life. I'll take a Cat 5 hurricane any day over an EF5, 300+ mph tornado.

That being said, I believe Florida, in addition to hurricanes, also has the most tornadoes per square mile of any state. Fortunately, they are mostly weak ones. I think Florida has only had one recorded EF4 tornado.
 


Flash Flood Emergency declared in Eastern Tennessee as water surges into residents’ homes. This is getting worse by the minute.COUNTLESS people in Tennessee and North Carolina are being trapped in their homes by historically rapid flood waters. The dəath toll from Hurricane Helene is now up to 46, and is RAPIDLY rising.

There is so much focus on Florida, but many states well inland are more vulnerable to catastrophic floods due to more varied topology and soil that can't absorb water as quickly Florida's sand and limestone.
 
This isn’t an anti Tesla thing - this is a hope you FL peeps are good and if you know anyone in the floodwaters warn them:

 
Well it might be difficult to move them otherwise because the power is off and they cannot be charged. NOT political but just asking?

The post says if you can’t move them call the government for help. I’m assuming they will try to tow them out of garages and away from occupied buildings.
 
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The post says if you can’t move them call the government for help. I’m assuming they will try to tow them out of garages and away from occupied buildings.

Or....(gasp), round up a few neighbors to help push them to street curbsides, away from where they cannot cause damage to nearby structures.
 
Take this for what it's worth but I'm getting info from a friend who has communicated with the police chief in Black Mountain, NC and she says that, according to him, it is far, far worse up there than anyone knows yet.
I think what makes this worse is no one in that little east TN/Western Car area evacuated for a gulf hurricane and the flooding was bad
 
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