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You’re so old school. The whole so called West Coast passing game that started 40 years ago with short easy passes is another way to use clock. In a lot of ways it’s just like a run. Quick short passes and try outflank the defense. And if you have enough 4-5 yard passes it eats up the clock and wears down the defense. Utah St was actually a good example of that. They ran a ton of plays but we have enough players to combat it. You don’t just run the ball to run it for no reason. And 3 runs for 8 yards takes about 130 off the clock and then the punt. That’s not exactly helping the defense rest.
Again, you have a better chance of recruiting ball runners than we at Iowa… again what makes sense? Cold climate, recruiting obstacles etc
 
For YEARS I have tried telling football-challenged posters like soaker that: a great defense and special teams is fine....but there will be games when the offense is going to HAVE to score points. There will be games were the offense will HAVE to get a first down or two to lock down a win. There will be games where the team will be behind and the offense will HAVE to get a score in the final minutes to win/tie. For the past couple of seasons the Iowa offense has not been capable of doing any of those on a consistent basis.

They just can't seem to grasp that concept. I swear they would rather leave wins on the table than for any changes be made,
The fact that u think we’re not trying to score points, and your thinking that we would be successful at recruiting players to become an off minded team, just shows your inability to think in a realistic manner.
 
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Case in point. A week from Saturday night in State College. And another thing is we aren’t used to seeing iowa get blown out in games. It used to happen maybe like once every two years. It happened five teams between 2021 and 2022!
You're right! I think there was a span there for 5+ years where Iowa hadn't ost a game by more than 10 points of something crazy like that. Now it seems to happen at least once a year.
 
The fact that u think we’re not trying to score points, and your thinking that we would be successful at recruiting players to become an off minded team, just shows your inability to think in a realistic manner.
Please point out where I said the Hawks were not trying to score points, and also point out where I said anything about being an "offensive minded" team.

You can't, because I said no such things. You are just lying and making things up.
 
I question many on here about their knowledge of the game of football. All you morons think if you win with great def and avg off it’s somehow less of a win then if you have a great off and avg def. I mean are you all really that dumb? Do you not understand that the final score, no matter how it’s done, determines the winner? I mean seriously how fking dumb does one have to be to infer a win is less of a win if it’s done with great Def vs great OFF. Are you all really that stupid?? But then you call out a coach who will go down as the greatest in the history of Iowa football, and his son who played and coached both in the NFL and Power 5. You dumbasses who work some 8-5 sales job think you know more because you were 2nd team all conference at some 8 man fball team in Iowa.

Seriously, get a fking clue about the game of football. Let me help you there are 3 key phases, OFF, DEF, and Special Teams. It doesn’t matter which of these 3 determine the outcome of a game, you still either win or lose based on the final score, and get the stat in the win or loss column from it, u friggin morons.

It’s still mesmerizing that you fools haven’t noticed the genius behind how KF wins at Iowa, and way above what the realistic expectations should be. With the huge recruiting obstacles of being a state with no nfl team, the smallest population base, corn fields as the pride of playgrounds in the state, and shitty cold ass winters, y’all think he should complete for the top OFF talents like the fools you are. Sorry peeps, how bout you vacation outside of going to the fking Amanas for Christmas and see what kids from other states see when they go on recruiting trips elsewhere. Oh yeah, Iowa City is special, no doubt, but it’s not the only fking awesome college town and game day experience in the game.

KF has a formula that works waaay above what any should at Iowa. He’s knows he could never win consistently trying to focus on scoring points and OFF recruiting focus. Go ask the savior y’all so badly loved early in in Lames, now what, how’s the OFF powerhouse program doing?? He’s just another ISU coach doing below average shit in Lames which is better then what they should be doing, so enjoy just below average in Lames bc it really should be a program that competes with RICE and that’s about it.

KF knows he’s beat if he lines up his OFF against most others, so what does he do? He controlls the number of OFF possessions by making team eat up clock and make long tiring drives to score points with his bend don’t break style of D. And on top of that it’s hard for college age kids to stay patient and not mistakes along the way in Doug so, hence all of our turnover successes.

Offensively he runs the ball and the clock and again shortens the games, the number of possessions opponents get and at the end of the day bets on his DEF being better than the other teams OFF. What’s so fin wrong with that? Other than y’all don’t get to stroke yourselves more during the game bc of OFF touchdowns.

How dumb would it be for KF to have a forced focus of scoring quickly to satisfy you blowhard fans, meanwhile allowing more possessions and wearing out his DEF who he relays on executing every play. Not to mention most programs are going to have better OFF talent to score points. But truly there are some fools on here that would probably be happier with more points and less wins.

Not only has KF done more for the state of Iowa and Iowa football, putting the program on the map and known in the national sports media, he is respected more by the NFL than any other coach in college football, possibly as much as a couple others, but no one has a better reputation of developing kids in the game of football period, and all the facts and numbers are there to support that statement, to include statements from coaches, owners, front office people in the NFL.

So why not get on this bandwagon of supporting the spectacular DEF he puts out there yr in and yr out, understand why the scores are lower, and appreciate what could be and I predict will be, the best 20 some yrs of football to ever be played at Iowa.

Not to mention if Maybe, just maybe, y’all supported the kids and coaches instead being in there Heads’s bout how bad it is, bc we know they read it, they would play with a tad bit more confidence, free of worry, and score just a few more pints along the way to get us over the hump and into a CFP game or 2. Or go do yourselves a favor and watch a different team or sport, maybe Americas favorite past time, baseball… yeah cause that’s just a OFF fking delight type of game you hypocrites!

KF for life, azzholes!!
Mary? Is that you ?
 
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seems like a good number of posters are unaware that if you take more risks... then you increase the likelihood of turning the ball over and that mistake could cost you the game.

when you are ahead 3 scores... it's not smart to take risks.

Iowa played this game perfectly
In a game like that perhaps. But you are not going to go up against good teams and win consistently like that .
ISU is a bad team.
This situation reminds me much like my Stillers. The offensive scheme is awful . Matt Canada sucks at his job and hence the defense is forced to keep u in games week after week , ala BF.
Modern football doesn’t rely on a dominant defense anymore. It’s just not sustainable. You need to score some points and Iowa just do it enough to be considered a serious threat to beating anyone w a pulse.
It’s time for a change. I’m thankful for KF and what he’s done . But it’s time and for junior as well .
 
I question many on here about their knowledge of the game of football. All you morons think if you win with great def and avg off it’s somehow less of a win then if you have a great off and avg def. I mean are you all really that dumb? Do you not understand that the final score, no matter how it’s done, determines the winner? I mean seriously how fking dumb does one have to be to infer a win is less of a win if it’s done with great Def vs great OFF. Are you all really that stupid?? But then you call out a coach who will go down as the greatest in the history of Iowa football, and his son who played and coached both in the NFL and Power 5. You dumbasses who work some 8-5 sales job think you know more because you were 2nd team all conference at some 8 man fball team in Iowa.

Seriously, get a fking clue about the game of football. Let me help you there are 3 key phases, OFF, DEF, and Special Teams. It doesn’t matter which of these 3 determine the outcome of a game, you still either win or lose based on the final score, and get the stat in the win or loss column from it, u friggin morons.

It’s still mesmerizing that you fools haven’t noticed the genius behind how KF wins at Iowa, and way above what the realistic expectations should be. With the huge recruiting obstacles of being a state with no nfl team, the smallest population base, corn fields as the pride of playgrounds in the state, and shitty cold ass winters, y’all think he should complete for the top OFF talents like the fools you are. Sorry peeps, how bout you vacation outside of going to the fking Amanas for Christmas and see what kids from other states see when they go on recruiting trips elsewhere. Oh yeah, Iowa City is special, no doubt, but it’s not the only fking awesome college town and game day experience in the game.

KF has a formula that works waaay above what any should at Iowa. He’s knows he could never win consistently trying to focus on scoring points and OFF recruiting focus. Go ask the savior y’all so badly loved early in in Lames, now what, how’s the OFF powerhouse program doing?? He’s just another ISU coach doing below average shit in Lames which is better then what they should be doing, so enjoy just below average in Lames bc it really should be a program that competes with RICE and that’s about it.

KF knows he’s beat if he lines up his OFF against most others, so what does he do? He controlls the number of OFF possessions by making team eat up clock and make long tiring drives to score points with his bend don’t break style of D. And on top of that it’s hard for college age kids to stay patient and not mistakes along the way in Doug so, hence all of our turnover successes.

Offensively he runs the ball and the clock and again shortens the games, the number of possessions opponents get and at the end of the day bets on his DEF being better than the other teams OFF. What’s so fin wrong with that? Other than y’all don’t get to stroke yourselves more during the game bc of OFF touchdowns.

How dumb would it be for KF to have a forced focus of scoring quickly to satisfy you blowhard fans, meanwhile allowing more possessions and wearing out his DEF who he relays on executing every play. Not to mention most programs are going to have better OFF talent to score points. But truly there are some fools on here that would probably be happier with more points and less wins.

Not only has KF done more for the state of Iowa and Iowa football, putting the program on the map and known in the national sports media, he is respected more by the NFL than any other coach in college football, possibly as much as a couple others, but no one has a better reputation of developing kids in the game of football period, and all the facts and numbers are there to support that statement, to include statements from coaches, owners, front office people in the NFL.

So why not get on this bandwagon of supporting the spectacular DEF he puts out there yr in and yr out, understand why the scores are lower, and appreciate what could be and I predict will be, the best 20 some yrs of football to ever be played at Iowa.

Not to mention if Maybe, just maybe, y’all supported the kids and coaches instead being in there Heads’s bout how bad it is, bc we know they read it, they would play with a tad bit more confidence, free of worry, and score just a few more pints along the way to get us over the hump and into a CFP game or 2. Or go do yourselves a favor and watch a different team or sport, maybe Americas favorite past time, baseball… yeah cause that’s just a OFF fking delight type of game you hypocrites!

KF for life, azzholes!!
Good gawd. Who's gonna read your 20 page post. We do not have an average offense. It's almost dead last this and last year. No one is bitching about wins. We bitch when the offense costs us games which it regularly does.
 
Good gawd. Who's gonna read your 20 page post. We do not have an average offense. It's almost dead last this and last year. No one is bitching about wins. We bitch when the offense costs us games which it regularly does.
Someone mentioned risk. KF just does transference of risk from the OFF to the DEF as he has more faith in DEF.
 
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I question many on here about their knowledge of the game of football. All you morons think if you win with great def and avg off it’s somehow less of a win then if you have a great off and avg def. I mean are you all really that dumb? Do you not understand that the final score, no matter how it’s done, determines the winner? I mean seriously how fking dumb does one have to be to infer a win is less of a win if it’s done with great Def vs great OFF. Are you all really that stupid?? But then you call out a coach who will go down as the greatest in the history of Iowa football, and his son who played and coached both in the NFL and Power 5. You dumbasses who work some 8-5 sales job think you know more because you were 2nd team all conference at some 8 man fball team in Iowa.

Seriously, get a fking clue about the game of football. Let me help you there are 3 key phases, OFF, DEF, and Special Teams. It doesn’t matter which of these 3 determine the outcome of a game, you still either win or lose based on the final score, and get the stat in the win or loss column from it, u friggin morons.

It’s still mesmerizing that you fools haven’t noticed the genius behind how KF wins at Iowa, and way above what the realistic expectations should be. With the huge recruiting obstacles of being a state with no nfl team, the smallest population base, corn fields as the pride of playgrounds in the state, and shitty cold ass winters, y’all think he should complete for the top OFF talents like the fools you are. Sorry peeps, how bout you vacation outside of going to the fking Amanas for Christmas and see what kids from other states see when they go on recruiting trips elsewhere. Oh yeah, Iowa City is special, no doubt, but it’s not the only fking awesome college town and game day experience in the game.

KF has a formula that works waaay above what any should at Iowa. He’s knows he could never win consistently trying to focus on scoring points and OFF recruiting focus. Go ask the savior y’all so badly loved early in in Lames, now what, how’s the OFF powerhouse program doing?? He’s just another ISU coach doing below average shit in Lames which is better then what they should be doing, so enjoy just below average in Lames bc it really should be a program that competes with RICE and that’s about it.

KF knows he’s beat if he lines up his OFF against most others, so what does he do? He controlls the number of OFF possessions by making team eat up clock and make long tiring drives to score points with his bend don’t break style of D. And on top of that it’s hard for college age kids to stay patient and not mistakes along the way in Doug so, hence all of our turnover successes.

Offensively he runs the ball and the clock and again shortens the games, the number of possessions opponents get and at the end of the day bets on his DEF being better than the other teams OFF. What’s so fin wrong with that? Other than y’all don’t get to stroke yourselves more during the game bc of OFF touchdowns.

How dumb would it be for KF to have a forced focus of scoring quickly to satisfy you blowhard fans, meanwhile allowing more possessions and wearing out his DEF who he relays on executing every play. Not to mention most programs are going to have better OFF talent to score points. But truly there are some fools on here that would probably be happier with more points and less wins.

Not only has KF done more for the state of Iowa and Iowa football, putting the program on the map and known in the national sports media, he is respected more by the NFL than any other coach in college football, possibly as much as a couple others, but no one has a better reputation of developing kids in the game of football period, and all the facts and numbers are there to support that statement, to include statements from coaches, owners, front office people in the NFL.

So why not get on this bandwagon of supporting the spectacular DEF he puts out there yr in and yr out, understand why the scores are lower, and appreciate what could be and I predict will be, the best 20 some yrs of football to ever be played at Iowa.

Not to mention if Maybe, just maybe, y’all supported the kids and coaches instead being in there Heads’s bout how bad it is, bc we know they read it, they would play with a tad bit more confidence, free of worry, and score just a few more pints along the way to get us over the hump and into a CFP game or 2. Or go do yourselves a favor and watch a different team or sport, maybe Americas favorite past time, baseball… yeah cause that’s just a OFF fking delight type of game you hypocrites!

KF for life, azzholes!!
 
KF doesn't trust BF, so he puts the outcome of games at the feet of Phil Parker.

It really is that simple.

Brian couldn't get a job as OC at any other Division 1 school in the country with the results he's had at Iowa.
I'd bet my right nut on that.
 
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KF doesn't trust BF, so he puts the outcome of games at the feet of Phil Parker.

It really is that simple.

Brian couldn't get a job as OC at any other Division 1 school in the country with the results he's had at Iowa.
I'd bet my right nut on that.
Just your right one? If you were all that sure of yourself you'd bet them both.
 
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Good gawd. Who's gonna read your 20 page post. We do not have an average offense. It's almost dead last this and last year. No one is bitching about wins. We bitch when the offense costs us games which it regularly does.
What's your acceptable total points allowed by the Iowa defense?
 
PP is an elite DC but also makes it look better when your offense putts along and bleeds the clock - doesn't take chances etc. Iowa will get worked by Penn St and even if wins the division will get owned in the conf chip again using this philosophy.
 
PP is an elite DC but also makes it look better when your offense putts along and bleeds the clock - doesn't take chances etc. Iowa will get worked by Penn St and even if wins the division will get owned in the conf chip again using this philosophy.
The last several years the offense has actually been detrimental to the defense given the lack of efficiency. There's been no bleeding of the clock with time consuming drives and high numbers of drives with no first downs.
 
PP is an elite DC but also makes it look better when your offense putts along and bleeds the clock - doesn't take chances etc. Iowa will get worked by Penn St and even if wins the division will get owned in the conf chip again using this philosophy.

But that’s the irony of how bad our offense is - it’s so bad that we cannot control the clock. Iowa State held a 7 minute time of possession advantage because Iowa could only manage 9 first downs in 10 possessions (not including the last possession where we kneeled twice).

The most common defense of Iowa’s offense is that Iowa plays complementary football. That’s not a bad argument for why you might tolerate a low scoring offense. If the offense can at least pick up first downs consistently to flip field position and bleed clock, the “complementary football” argument can hold true. But our offense is so bad that we don’t flip field position and we don’t hold onto the ball. We are currently dead last in the Big Ten in first downs. We were dead last in 2022 and 2021 as well.

The offensive system is completely broken.
 
But that’s the irony of how bad our offense is - it’s so bad that we cannot control the clock. Iowa State held a 7 minute time of possession advantage because Iowa could only manage 9 first downs in 10 possessions (not including the last possession where we kneeled twice).

The most common defense of Iowa’s offense is that Iowa plays complementary football. That’s not a bad argument for why you might tolerate a low scoring offense. If the offense can at least pick up first downs consistently to flip field position and bleed clock, the “complementary football” argument can hold true. But our offense is so bad that we don’t flip field position and we don’t hold onto the ball. We are currently dead last in the Big Ten in first downs. We were dead last in 2022 and 2021 as well.

The offensive system is completely broken.
Agree. The defense has been all the more remarkable given the lack of offensive efficiency.
 
When I first saw the thread title I thought it was directed at the offensive coaches until I read it and realized it was for the people who nurtured the OP. The top 25 last week averaged 43 points per game. The Hawks can win 7-9 games a year due to their defense, special teams and culture. They can’t beat anyone or win a title that matters with this putrid offense. The offense continues to put pressure on the defense and put it in bad field position which catches up with you against good teams. It’s the scheme , game calls , offensive line recruiting or OL coach or all, that are the main problems . The best thing this offense has going for it is the schedule. Quit fooling yourselves. The game has changed. You have to play offensive football to win against good teams.
 
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I would state that Iowa this year is not Iowa last year. The skill positions are much deeper, QB play is better, and the pass blocking is miles better. Iowa will likely get lambasted in Penn this year, but I think this team gets better as the year goes, and it gives them a fighting chance if they were to make the ship.
 
I would state that Iowa this year is not Iowa last year. The skill positions are much deeper, QB play is better, and the pass blocking is miles better. Iowa will likely get lambasted in Penn this year, but I think this team gets better as the year goes, and it gives them a fighting chance if they were to make the ship.
if Petras can beat Penn State... and McNamara is a better QB..
why do you believe McNamara can't do what Petras was able to do ?
 
" Iowa will likely get lambasted in Penn this year"

to me, this is the shit that gets old
The word likely comes to mind, but I am sorry that I hurt your feelings based on outcomes of this season. PSU right now is a 10.5 point favorite, is at home, and has demolished their competition to this point. Care to add any further of your insights?
 
But that’s the irony of how bad our offense is - it’s so bad that we cannot control the clock. Iowa State held a 7 minute time of possession advantage because Iowa could only manage 9 first downs in 10 possessions (not including the last possession where we kneeled twice).

The most common defense of Iowa’s offense is that Iowa plays complementary football. That’s not a bad argument for why you might tolerate a low scoring offense. If the offense can at least pick up first downs consistently to flip field position and bleed clock, the “complementary football” argument can hold true. But our offense is so bad that we don’t flip field position and we don’t hold onto the ball. We are currently dead last in the Big Ten in first downs. We were dead last in 2022 and 2021 as well.

The offensive system is completely broken.
I'm convinced the main goal of KF is to become bowl eligible every season.
 
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The word likely comes to mind, but I am sorry that I hurt your feelings based on outcomes of this season. PSU right now is a 10.5 point favorite, is at home, and has demolished their competition to this point. Care to add any further of your insights?
wholely chit.... Penn State demolished Delaware ... who the hell is gonna beat them?

you know... you might be overselling Penn State just a little bit here.
Penn State is notorious for running up the score...

they scored a touchdown against West Virginia with 6 f*k*n seconds to go in the game... just to make themselves look big and bad.

that score would have been 31-15 if they don't desperately score on a 5 yard run with 6 seconds to go in the game.

31-15 over West Virginia...

West f*k*n Virginia
you know West Virginia was 5-7 last season?

they lost to Iowa State 31-14 last season

and now Penn State beats West Virginia and all of a sudden Penn State is the best team ever... nobody can beat them..
who the hell do you root for anyway?
you're a Hawkeye fan?

yea... maybe Penn State does beat Iowa... then you can look back with pride that you were right... Iowa sucks

that's a helluva position to put yourself in.. a position to where now... you gotta root against the team you claim to be a fan of.
 
wholely chit.... Penn State demolished Delaware ... who the hell is gonna beat them?

you know... you might be overselling Penn State just a little bit here.
Penn State is notorious for running up the score...

they scored a touchdown against West Virginia with 6 f*k*n seconds to go in the game... just to make themselves look big and bad.

that score would have been 31-15 if they don't desperately score on a 5 yard run with 6 seconds to go in the game.

31-15 over West Virginia...

West f*k*n Virginia
you know West Virginia was 5-7 last season?

they lost to Iowa State 31-14 last season

and now Penn State beats West Virginia and all of a sudden Penn State is the best team ever... nobody can beat them..
who the hell do you root for anyway?
you're a Hawkeye fan?

yea... maybe Penn State does beat Iowa... then you can look back with pride that you were right... Iowa sucks

that's a helluva position to put yourself in.. a position to where now... you gotta root against the team you claim to be a fan of.
I think this post speaks for itself, I have zero interest in going back and forth with Karnak V. 8.0
 
I question many on here about their knowledge of the game of football. All you morons think if you win with great def and avg off it’s somehow less of a win then if you have a great off and avg def. I mean are you all really that dumb? Do you not understand that the final score, no matter how it’s done, determines the winner? I mean seriously how fking dumb does one have to be to infer a win is less of a win if it’s done with great Def vs great OFF. Are you all really that stupid?? But then you call out a coach who will go down as the greatest in the history of Iowa football, and his son who played and coached both in the NFL and Power 5. You dumbasses who work some 8-5 sales job think you know more because you were 2nd team all conference at some 8 man fball team in Iowa.

Seriously, get a fking clue about the game of football. Let me help you there are 3 key phases, OFF, DEF, and Special Teams. It doesn’t matter which of these 3 determine the outcome of a game, you still either win or lose based on the final score, and get the stat in the win or loss column from it, u friggin morons.

It’s still mesmerizing that you fools haven’t noticed the genius behind how KF wins at Iowa, and way above what the realistic expectations should be. With the huge recruiting obstacles of being a state with no nfl team, the smallest population base, corn fields as the pride of playgrounds in the state, and shitty cold ass winters, y’all think he should complete for the top OFF talents like the fools you are. Sorry peeps, how bout you vacation outside of going to the fking Amanas for Christmas and see what kids from other states see when they go on recruiting trips elsewhere. Oh yeah, Iowa City is special, no doubt, but it’s not the only fking awesome college town and game day experience in the game.

KF has a formula that works waaay above what any should at Iowa. He’s knows he could never win consistently trying to focus on scoring points and OFF recruiting focus. Go ask the savior y’all so badly loved early in in Lames, now what, how’s the OFF powerhouse program doing?? He’s just another ISU coach doing below average shit in Lames which is better then what they should be doing, so enjoy just below average in Lames bc it really should be a program that competes with RICE and that’s about it.

KF knows he’s beat if he lines up his OFF against most others, so what does he do? He controlls the number of OFF possessions by making team eat up clock and make long tiring drives to score points with his bend don’t break style of D. And on top of that it’s hard for college age kids to stay patient and not mistakes along the way in Doug so, hence all of our turnover successes.

Offensively he runs the ball and the clock and again shortens the games, the number of possessions opponents get and at the end of the day bets on his DEF being better than the other teams OFF. What’s so fin wrong with that? Other than y’all don’t get to stroke yourselves more during the game bc of OFF touchdowns.

How dumb would it be for KF to have a forced focus of scoring quickly to satisfy you blowhard fans, meanwhile allowing more possessions and wearing out his DEF who he relays on executing every play. Not to mention most programs are going to have better OFF talent to score points. But truly there are some fools on here that would probably be happier with more points and less wins.

Not only has KF done more for the state of Iowa and Iowa football, putting the program on the map and known in the national sports media, he is respected more by the NFL than any other coach in college football, possibly as much as a couple others, but no one has a better reputation of developing kids in the game of football period, and all the facts and numbers are there to support that statement, to include statements from coaches, owners, front office people in the NFL.

So why not get on this bandwagon of supporting the spectacular DEF he puts out there yr in and yr out, understand why the scores are lower, and appreciate what could be and I predict will be, the best 20 some yrs of football to ever be played at Iowa.

Not to mention if Maybe, just maybe, y’all supported the kids and coaches instead being in there Heads’s bout how bad it is, bc we know they read it, they would play with a tad bit more confidence, free of worry, and score just a few more pints along the way to get us over the hump and into a CFP game or 2. Or go do yourselves a favor and watch a different team or sport, maybe Americas favorite past time, baseball… yeah cause that’s just a OFF fking delight type of game you hypocrites!

KF for life, azzholes!!
Since Brian Ferentz was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2017, Iowa is 128th nationally in yards per game (327.8) and 105th in offensive touchdowns scored (203). Enough said, tell me one other university that would not of fired him by now.
 
I'm convinced the main goal of KF is to become bowl eligible every season.
Nothing wrong with that actually given the reality of the situation. You can and should layer stretch goals on top of that but bowl eligibility probably is and should be the minimum level of success they seek each year.
 
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We will find out what kind of team Penn state has against Illinois. I know it's just Illinois but they are probably better than the first 2 teams
 
Nothing wrong with that actually given the reality of the situation. You can and should layer stretch goals on top of that but bowl eligibility probably is and should be the minimum level of success they seek each year.
True, but does 7-5 seasons help recruiting?
 
True, but does 7-5 seasons help recruiting?
Well the more successful you are the better of course. I don't know that 9-3 vs 7-5 really moves the needle much in that regard. If Kirk was all in on improving recruiting above all else, he'd make a big splash OC hire but we know that isn't in the cards. I don't think anything outside of that changes the trajectory of anything. It's been the elephant in the room for several years now. No pun intended.
 
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