Hurricane season has arrived....
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Perry got the eye and had winds at 55mph and gusts 99mph.
Media hypes these a teeny bit, as the Weather Channel was still hollering about 140mph winds when I could see what Perry’s airport was registering after eye wall had passed.
I remember seeing the exact same thing with Ian. You could see the eye wall pass over the Ft. Myers airport, and the winds registered weren’t anywhere close to the fear porn on TV.
They measure wind speed at elevation. A category 4 is a category 4, and Cedar Key looks like it.
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Definitely seems like the surge was the big factor in this one.
That’s damage and debris from storm surge, not wind.
Cedar Key weather station showing 25mph wind, with 45mph gusts yesterday.
The wind numbers you hear from the TV fear porn differ significantly from what ground stations record.
They run with the scarier one, instead of the ‘realer’ one.
What you hear from the media comes from the NWS and NHC.
Not any one "rando station" somewhere.
The point isn’t where it came from, the point is its relevance.
If you record a wind speed hours earlier, hundreds of miles away, is that more relevant when you’ve recorded a local value, in the immediate time frame?
When the eyewall had passed over Perry and registered gusts of 99mph and wind of 55mph why were they still talking about 140mph?
To keep it more interesting. Full stop.
Certainly not to keep it more relevant or informative.
You just claimed the point was "where it came from", in that the "media hype up the numbers".
The numbers come from NWS data. The "media" doesn't push out its own sensors.
If NWS #'s indicate 140 mph winds, that's a significantly worse storm than one where NWS measures 100 mph winds.
Those are maximums; they are not the maximum windspeeds everywhere, at all eyewall locations.
Ask NWS.
Ask the location where that single measurement was taken.
Quit blaming "media hype" because windspeeds for a hurricane aren't uniform, everywhere, because they aren't.
Isn't @SolarHawk down there?
You have a measurement taken from air dropped sensor hours earlier, over the sea.
You have a measurement taken minutes ago when the eyewall passed over a ground station in Perry, FL.
If you live in Valdosta, GA what is the more relevant measurement for you at 1AM last night?
It made landfall about 10 miles from Perry FL
Wind measurements are from Doppler radar systems. That's where they get the maximums from, Cletus.
Peak, sustains winds were 140 mph SOMEWHERE, not necessarily 10 miles from where it first hit.
You seem befuddled by this.
I knew you wouldn’t answer the question.
Same way you won’t acknowledge what a chimeric virus is.
The projected Doppler numbers that will occur in Valdosta GA when it dissipates there.
It simply won't matter what the maximum #s were, somewhere NOT Valdosta GA, when it reached land, miles away.
I answered your question.
Again, you seem completely befuddled by fundamental science here. Much like the issues you want to now shift the convo toward.
No idea here what "chimeric viruses" have to do with NWS and NHC Doppler radar data.
But, use whatever diversion tactics you need to, to step away from a conversation you're getting your ass handed to you in...
That wasn’t an option. You evaded the question.
More relevant measurement is the question.
One taken hours earlier, hundreds of miles away over sea, or one taken on land as the eyewall passed over minutes earlier.
You will continue to evade, because to answer would require you to make my point.
I directly answered your question about "what would folks in Valdosta GA want to know".
Here's more info, to combat your science illiteracy, all readily available for you on the internets:
How do you estimate wind speeds in a hurricane without using a computer model?
Answer (1 of 2): Via an aircraft aloft that measures maximum sustained wind over a period of time not considered to be a gust. Of course not all storms are the same and conducting truly equivalent measurements of different storms via aerial reconnaissance is not easy. Sustained wind speed measure...
Q: How are wind speeds calculated for a hurricane like Dorian?
A: The six methods used to calculate wind speeds for a hurricane like Dorian … dropsondes … reductions to flight-level winds … Doppler radar and wind LIDAR … unmanned aircraft ... and GPS.
In the U.S., NOAA reconnaissance airplanes deploy dropsondes. This instrument package transmits temperature ... humidity … and wind vector data to the aircraft.
The reconnaissance airplane measures wind speed and direction at the aircraft’s altitude above the ocean. These wind speed data are adjusted by an algorithm to estimate the near-surface wind speed.
Reconnaissance aircraft are also equipped with Doppler radar and wind LIDAR to measure the wind.
Unmanned aircraft have also been deployed experimentally.
The use of GPS … described here … represents a recent innovation of remote sensing of hurricane wind speeds.
How is hurricane wind speed measured? The Weather Channel keeps saying Ian is Cat 4 155 mph hitting Ft. Myers. But NOAA reports winds in ...
Answer (1 of 4): The hurricane wind speeds reported in NHC advisories are usually generated by use of a small device called a radiosonde released into portions of the system by reconnaissance aircraft (the specific type dropped by aircraft is called a Dropsonde). These instruments contain sensors...
The hurricane wind speeds reported in NHC advisories are usually generated by use of a small device called a radiosonde released into portions of the system by reconnaissance aircraft (the specific type dropped by aircraft is called a Dropsonde). These instruments contain sensors for temperature, barometric pressure, and a global positioning system. It is this last that allows estimation of windspeed. The Dropsonde give a good general estimate of maximum winds that may be encountered within a broad area, but hurricanes are complex turbulent systems and a measurement at one point may not coincide with one taken a few hundred meters away. Official wind speeds are determined at a fixed point from stationary equipment, usually located at an airport. These are precise records of what occured at that location, but may have little in common with conditions a relatively short distance away. So, in short, it is likely that several small areas in the Fort Myers area experienced winds approaching 150 mph, but that conditions recorded at the official measuring station were considerably milder.
Now, you're whining about an airport measurement from TEN MILES from where the eye first hit.
Peak winds in the turbulent systems can vary substantially A FEW HUNDRED METERS away.
Keep posting, Cletus, because you truly are demonstrating you're science-illiterate on this (and many other) topics here.
Re-read this, until it sinks in for you, because I have a feeling it's gonna take 10 times or more for you to digest it.
Hopefully just no power/cell service and he and his family made it through OK.
I have to think much of Florida is going to be simply uninsurable before too long.
No it isn't. The point is about your claim the "media" is hyping the wind speeds to promote fear. You've been shown foolishness once again.
Why do you continue to demand answers to questions when you won't answer them?
I’m sold.
“If Citizens were to pay out all reserves and reinsurance following a major storm or series of disasters, it is required by Florida law to levy surcharges and assessments on its policyholders and all Florida insurance consumers until any deficit is eliminated,” Citizens’ communications chief, Michael Peltier, said Friday. “As such, Citizens will always have the ability to pay claims.”
Am I reading that correctly? Even if you aren't a Citizens customer, you will be charged surcharges and assessments?
Yes. Treasure Island. Lots of flooding there. Boats in people’s front yards.
It's legally on better ground that Social Security. By law Social Security payments are reduced to payroll tax receipts when the trust fund is exhausted. When people say SS is 'bankrupt' what will really happen is payout get reduced to ~77% of promised payments. At that point I expect tax increases and a combination of means testing to make most people get what they've been promised.
Citizens is already legally set to just tax everybody required in order to stay whole and pay claims.
Not actuarially sound, but legally set up to not 'fail' the way a private insurer would.
Not a value judgement, just explaining how it's setup.
Yes. Hopefully he is ok.
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North Carolina 'dam failure imminent:' Lake Lure residents urged to seek higher ground amid Helene's flooding
People living near a popular lake in the western North Carolina mountains have been urged to flee to higher ground as officials warn a dam is close to failure.
www.foxweather.com
LAKE LURE, N.C. – People living near a popular lake in the western North Carolina mountains have been urged to flee to higher ground as officials warn a dam is close to failure.
Relentless rain from what was once Hurricane Helene has resulted in catastrophic flooding from Florida to North Carolina as the storm moves inland across the Southeast.
Rutherford County Emergency Management officials issued a dire warning in a Facebook post Friday to residents near Lake Lure.
"Residents below the Lake Lure Dam need to evacuate to higher ground immediately!!" officials wrote in the post. "Dam failure imminient!! Evacuate to higher ground immediately!!"
Earlier, officials said water from the flooded Broad River is flowing over the Lake Lure Dam. They ordered people living along more than 30 roads near the lake to immediately move to higher ground.
They can’t just tax everyone and trying to add it onto future insurance purchases will just destroy the insurance market.
Thanks for all the updates the last few days.
