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Hurricane season has arrived....

Agree and the only thing this northerner asks is the next there is an event and the Mississippi floods, don’t argue against aid because dumb people built lives and businesses close to a river. This is not directed at you at all, just a sentiment I have.

I've never complained about such things.
 
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Agree and the only thing this northerner asks is the next there is an event and the Mississippi floods, don’t argue against aid because dumb people built lives and businesses close to a river. This is not directed at you at all, just a sentiment I have.

It's completely normal for humans to want to live near water.
 
It's completely normal for humans to want to live near water.
This is for you:
REUTERS

The brutal wind and torrential rainfall of Hurricane Milton that killed at least 16 people in Florida this week were worsened by human-caused climate change, a team of international scientists said on Friday.

Global warming made wind speeds around 10% stronger and rainfall greater by between 20% and 30%, according to an analysis by World Weather Attribution. The group of climate scientists studies the role of climate change in fueling extreme weather.

Milton intensified from a Category 1 storm into a tempestuous Category 5 in less than 24 hours, feeding off recordand near-record-warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico. It made landfall in Florida as a Category 3 hurricane.

Previous scientific analyses have shown climate change has made such temperatures in the Gulf between 400 and 800 times more likely. This extra heat made Milton the third-fastest intensifying Atlantic hurricane on record, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said, with maximum sustained wind speeds reaching 180 mph.

The scientist group noted that rainfall storms similar to Milton are now about twice as likely as they would be without human-induced warming.

“This study has confirmed what should already be abundantly clear: climate change is supercharging storms, and burning fossil fuels is to blame,” said Ian Duff, a campaigner at environ-


mental nonprofit Greenpeace. “Millions of people across Florida – many of whom lack insurance – now face astronomical costs to rebuild shattered homes and communities.”

Scientists have previously identified a concerning trend of rapid hurricane intensification in the Atlantic over the past 50 years, which they said may be tied to climate change.

In light of extremely warm surfacewater temperatures around Florida and the Caribbean, forecasters had expected a supercharged Atlantic hurricane season, with between four and seven major storms.

Milton is the second Category 5 hurricane this season, which runs from June through November. There have only been five other years since 1950 that registered more than one Category 5 hurricane in one season, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.

Many areas in Florida had still been clearing debris and repairing damage from Hurricane Helene, which slammed into the Gulf Coast late last month before battering much of the U.S. Southeast.

Milton could cost insurers between $30 billion and $60 billion, Morningstar DBRS analyst Marcos Alvarez said on Friday. That projection was lower than the up to $100 billion estimated by the firm before the storm’s arrival.
 
My sister and BiL left to head back home this morning. Reports from the neighbors said the house is fine but there is a mango tree down and a lot of oak limbs scattered everywhere. They still don't have power but they do have my generator and 15 gallons of gas. Hopefully, power will be restored soon.
They got home and said it was worse than they expected. Temple Terrace is an older community with a lot of mature trees. A lot of old oaks and pines were down. She sent me pictures of snapped off utility poles. I wonder if they caught some of the eye wall.
 
They got home and said it was worse than they expected. Temple Terrace is an older community with a lot of mature trees. A lot of old oaks and pines were down. She sent me pictures of snapped off utility poles. I wonder if they caught some of the eye wall.
Yeah, very true on the trees in that area.
 
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Yeah, very true on the trees in that area.
My home town, Dade City, us much the same. Lot of old oaks and pines everywhere, now many of them on the ground.
Trad posted earlier about flood warnings along the Withlacoochee River in Pasco and Hernando counties. I saw this evening that it might eclipse the highest recorded level, surpassing the flooding after Hurricane Donna in 1960. I remember my folks talking about that massive flooding, with areas that were nowhere remotely close to the riverbed being under water.
 
Some stats about hurricane frequency and spaghetti models for a storm off the coast of Africa. Also, tornado stats and rainfall totals for the various Tampa area counties and wind shear forecast.

Newly developed wave in eastern Atlantic

 
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“How do big hurricanes form? Neil deGrasse Tyson teams up with longtime Miami meteorologist John Morales to explain how hurricane season works and why Hurricane Milton was different from other storms.”


Why Hurricanes Are Becoming More Dangerous

 
BAU for this ass backwards state. Contractor blew off preparing, Meatball Ron DeSaster whines about too much regulation, developer issues a statement written by a crisis PR firm while probably facing zero penalties and hundreds if not thousands of neighbors dodge a massive bullet


‘Do we have to regulate everything?’: Gov. DeSantis on Milton crane crash in St. Petersburg

 
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Tensions rise in Tampa after Hurricane Milton leaves many without gas, power

Several days (?) into post Helene in Western North Carolina, things began to steadily improve regarding gas. In our little area, power came back on to some stations and they allowed 10 gallons per cash purchase with long lines. The next day, only essential workers could purchase. In the days after that, normality began to creep in and we have no lines now.
One of the governor’s spokesmen in the daily briefing emphasized that we did not have a fuel shortage, but rather a distribution problem. Power was out to many stations, those open had problems with point of sale purchases, roadway outages were complicating deliveries, etc…

I would suspect similar events are ongoing in other states. Not a fuel shortage, but rather problems with distribution.
 
BAU for this ass backwards state. Contractor blew off preparing, Meatball Ron DeSaster whines about too much regulation, developer issues a statement written by a crisis PR firm while probably facing zero penalties and hundreds if not thousands of neighbors dodge a massive bullet


‘Do we have to regulate everything?’: Gov. DeSantis on Milton crane crash in St. Petersburg

I just keep wondering when you’re moving??? Talk about a disaster.

Why wouldn’t local county disaster officials have disaster planning processes in place? We definitely have them in place for Duval County.
And why is it something that falls on the Governor’s lap? It isn’t.
Stick to linking weather maps.
 
'It kept getting higher and higher': Historic river flooding prompts Pasco evacuations


That's about 8 miles from my house, I've played the golf course hundreds of times and my old business partner used to live in the development.
It did flood back in the extreme El Nino year in 1998, but not as bad as this. Much of the surrounding area, which was pretty low and was formerly wilderness and/or cow pasture, has been developed and is now rooftops and pavement.
Perhaps it's time for Florida to tap the brakes on overdevelopment.
 
That's about 8 miles from my house, I've played the golf course hundreds of times and my old business partner used to live in the development.
It did flood back in the extreme El Nino year in 1998, but not as bad as this. Much of the surrounding area, which was pretty low and was formerly wilderness and/or cow pasture, has been developed and is now rooftops and pavement.
Perhaps it's time for Florida to tap the brakes on overdevelopment.
As long as people continue to move here in droves, they will continue to build.
 
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As long as people continue to move here in droves, they will continue to build.

I know that is true, but it does not mean that local governments should grant to the developer whatever they wish in terms of houses per acre, or large scale development in what long-term folks know is marsh/lowlands. I live in ground zero for the explosive growth...my home county has been one of the fastest-growing in the nation over the last 5 to 10 years. I've watched as developers have thrown up houses in areas that have been swampland my entire life, pushing dirt around to try to build up. They're all flooded now, and in addition many families who have lived on surrounding property for multiple generations are also now flooded due to the forced change in water flow.
And yet, many of our local, county, and statewide elected officials continue to be overjoyed at the excessive growth, and remain willing to approve more as long as the campaign contributions continue to flow.
 
I know that is true, but it does not mean that local governments should grant to the developer whatever they wish in terms of houses per acre, or large scale development in what long-term folks know is marsh/lowlands. I live in ground zero for the explosive growth...my home county has been one of the fastest-growing in the nation over the last 5 to 10 years. I've watched as developers have thrown up houses in areas that have been swampland my entire life, pushing dirt around to try to build up. They're all flooded now, and in addition many families who have lived on surrounding property for multiple generations are also now flooded due to the forced change in water flow.
And yet, many of our local, county, and statewide elected officials continue to be overjoyed at the excessive growth, and remain willing to approve more as long as the campaign contributions continue to flow.

That's how the entire state of Florida was built.
 
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That's how the entire state of Florida was built.
This. The history of Florida is one of boom and bust cycles going back to the antebellum years when well to do men from Virginia and North Carolina moved in to the area around Tallahassee to Jacksonville bringing enslaved human beings to work on large tracts of land growing cotton.
Small settlements on the coasts - all north of the middle of the state were sparsely populated and Miami had maybe a couple hundred hearty souls living on the edge of the wilderness.
I can faintly recall as a little kid in the late 50’s there were news reports of some houses being built in lower SW Florida in some dredged up canal lots called Golden Gates Estates? Few roads went into the area and I think it was the Mackle Brothers who were the developers?

My late husband’s grandfather made a fortune when he floated a barge full of South Georgia lumber to the boomtown of Miami during WWI. Lots of Georgia folks made $$$ there. They were the old folks who are now gone but they were recognizable because they pronounced it “Miamuh”.
The growth is not environmentally sustainable and maybe after these two storms retirees will consider other options. Draining swamps to build 3/2 stucco houses changes so many things that should be left alone.
 
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This. The history of Florida is one of boom and bust cycles going back to the antebellum years when well to do men from Virginia and North Carolina moved in to the area around Tallahassee to Jacksonville bringing enslaved human beings to work on large tracts of land growing cotton.
Small settlements on the coasts - all north of the middle of the state were sparsely populated and Miami had maybe a couple hundred hearty souls living on the edge of the wilderness.
I can faintly recall as a little kid in the late 50’s there were news reports of some houses being built in lower SW Florida in some dredged up canal lots called Golden Gates Estates? Few roads went into the area and I think it was the Mackle Brothers who were the developers?

My late husband’s grandfather made a fortune when he floated a barge full of South Georgia lumber to the boomtown of Miami during WWI. Lots of Georgia folks made $$$ there. They were the old folks who are now gone but they were recognizable because they pronounced it “Miamuh”.
The growth is not environmentally not sustainable and maybe after these two storms retirees will consider other options. Draining swamps to build 3/2 stucco houses changes so many things that should be left alone.

The metropolises of South Florida (both sides) only exist because of a massive network of drainage canals.
 
I know that is true, but it does not mean that local governments should grant to the developer whatever they wish in terms of houses per acre, or large scale development in what long-term folks know is marsh/lowlands. I live in ground zero for the explosive growth...my home county has been one of the fastest-growing in the nation over the last 5 to 10 years. I've watched as developers have thrown up houses in areas that have been swampland my entire life, pushing dirt around to try to build up. They're all flooded now, and in addition many families who have lived on surrounding property for multiple generations are also now flooded due to the forced change in water flow.
And yet, many of our local, county, and statewide elected officials continue to be overjoyed at the excessive growth, and remain willing to approve more as long as the campaign contributions continue to flow.

Could the locals stop the overdevelopment, even if they so desired? Hasn’t the republican state legislature stripped away most local control?
 
Yep, and our only trauma center hospital is on an island at sea level. They have to construct a wall to keep it from flooding in a hurricane. It is the epitome of backwardness. The civilized world looks at us and wonders how we can be so monumentally dumb.
Yeah, it could not be in a worse location. Complete idiocy.
 
I know that is true, but it does not mean that local governments should grant to the developer whatever they wish in terms of houses per acre, or large scale development in what long-term folks know is marsh/lowlands. I live in ground zero for the explosive growth...my home county has been one of the fastest-growing in the nation over the last 5 to 10 years. I've watched as developers have thrown up houses in areas that have been swampland my entire life, pushing dirt around to try to build up. They're all flooded now, and in addition many families who have lived on surrounding property for multiple generations are also now flooded due to the forced change in water flow.
And yet, many of our local, county, and statewide elected officials continue to be overjoyed at the excessive growth, and remain willing to approve more as long as the campaign contributions continue to flow.
I agree with you 100%. It's a byproduct of our love of capitalism and corruption at every level of government. The all mighty dollar is our overlord.
 
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