i just laugh most of y'all are so over the top and speak as though you can see into the future. It's pure comedy gold.
Iowa State just reloaded..
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Yes. I believe kalschuer, Brockington, Hinson, Kunc, and Hunter are huge upgrades over the players you mention. Grill and Enaruma are wildcards. The former players you mention went 2 - 22. That tells me all I need to know about them. There’s more to winning than ppg. Love Young as a person and rep of ISU but he was probably the worst rebounding center in the country. We’ll see how Gonzaga uses Bolton. In the right situation he can excel but not in the role he wanted at ISU.
Amazing for fans on a school's fan site to do that, isn't it?i just laugh most of y'all are so over the top and speak as though you can see into the future. It's pure comedy gold.
Why do you think they aren’t? 😀I can’t say for sure just like IA can’t say a bunch of mostly role players are going to take the big step to being the leaders of a team. I do think the transfers have all proven themselves in a P6 conference. I believe they’re at least comparable in scoring but will add toughness, rebounding and defense. ISU was almost dead last in in the country in rebounding and defense. Adding some guards that avg 5 rpg and appear to value defense is an upgrade. Bottom line, the players you mentioned couldn’t win. I know culture is overused but several of the players leaving were not team players. And again, adding Hunter as a true PG is a big step forward. can TJ take some solid pieces and turn them into a solid team? That’s the main question.
Couldn't play defense, didn't want to rebound, Couldn't really shoot besides JCL.
Last year numbers:
Kalscheur: -0.1 DBPM 38.8% eFG
Brockington: 0.5 DBPM 45.2% eFG
Grill: 0.5 DBPM 51.9% eFG
Kunc: 2.8 DBPM 51.9% eFG
Jones: -1.4 DBPM 54.1% efg
Hinson (2019-2020)- -0.1 DBPM 48.8% eFG
Bolton: 0.5 DBPM 50.2% eFG
JCL: -1.0 DBPM 54.0% eFG
Young: 0.0 DBPM 51.6% eFG
Harris: -0.5 DBPM 48.0% eFG
Kunc has great advanced numbers. His efficiency will take a hit with his minutes increase. It is a wash, maybe a slight upgrade in talent, at best. Also, defense is not a strength of an Otz coached team. Below are his squads AdjD rankings for each of the 5 seasons he has been a HC:
2020-2021: 217
2019-2020: 133
2018-2019: 183
2017-2018: 150
2016-2017: 303
I’ll admit I don’t follow the advanced analytics. They have a purpose but are they the end all be all? Do the five players with the highest numbers equal the best team? I’m sure people that follow the analytics could point out the flaws. Do some players thrive in a different environment? I don’t know how you consider Harris and Young a loss, especially Harris. JCL was wanted back and is loss but I don’t think he’s any better than his replacements. Bolton was more interested in show casing his individual skills than winning. Again, no mention of adding a true PG - maybe the biggest flaw on last years team. As I said, I agree it will come down to coaching. TJ will need to coach more like Floyd than Hoiberg. Can he do it? Does Green bring that quality? Bottom line, TJ started in a hole, think Lick, he’s no where near being out of the whole but he’s got a grasp on the ledge, especially with his start on 2022 recruiting. He’ll get players but that’s only part of it.
I don't mention Hunter because I think he is an upgrade and think ISU will be slightly improved but put their ceiling at 4 conference wins. I was comparing the transfers brought in to the players that left ISU.
'22 recruiting is at this point limited to two guards that are coming off of knee injuries. Lipsey only had offers from ISU and Nebraska.
King is a top 75 recruit that IA wanted. No indication his knee injury threatens his career. Lipsey played well on the national 16U team right before he hurt his knee. He has recovered to the point of playing a full football and basketball season. No indication of lingering affects. Where would his recruiting be if he hadn’t missed last summer AAU ball? Pretty solid for two months on the job.
Didn’t realize we were simply comparing transfer ins to transfers out. I was discussing the rebuild of the roster. I have no doubt a starting five of Hunter, kalschur, brockington, Hinson and Foster beats Bolton, JCL, young, Harris, Johnson or any combination ISU used last year.
I see a MN offer for Lipsey also. You don’t think all the schools that showed interest pre-injury wanted to see how he does on the AAY circuit? Worst case, he’s a solid top 175 recruit. Again, a good start in a couple months.
You already indicated next years team will be better than last years ( I know, doesnt take much) so you must agree with my last statement.
We probably don’t disagree a whole lot on the outlook for next year. As an IA fan you still see a bad team. As a ISU fan, I see improvement and a glimmer of hope.
And winning two games against the sisters of the poor as the highlights of your entire season does?
We can argue all day about Lipsey. He made the U16 national team pre-injury. He’s now entering the first AAU season since the injury. Knee seems 100%. No reason to believe he won’t climb the rankings again. He and King are a great start.
We heard all preseason last year about how great your incoming freshmen were and then none of them, including Foster, helped the team win games. Now, they're gone so seeing any development won't occur. I agree with you about Prohm being a lousy end of game coach. And just for the record, you are predicting an above .500 season?
LOL, somehow I missed this post.
The 10-12 win improvement isn't that much of an improvement if you consider Prohm lost the ability to schedule 4-5 easy W's last sesason (think Arkansas PB and Jackson State) type games because the NCAA reduced the number of total games allowed for programs due to Covid.
He won 2, had a gimme against Chicago St cancelled and never made up and missed out on 4-5 for sure wins so if it's a normal season, ISU wins 7 or 8 games last season.
And IA has never been excited about incoming recruits only to be disappointed. By the way, Foster was never healthy and shut it down after 7 games. Too soon to label him a disappointment.
Would be interesting to see IA fans explain how they are going to avoid a collapse from last year. I think you’d see many of the optimistic projections on individual players that you’re seeing from ISU fans. It’s called being a fan.
Iowa next season will be around .500 overall and be in play for an NIT bid, IMO. Of course there is going to be a drop off from a team that spent almost the entire season in the top 10 and earned a 2 seed that has to replace the 2 time B1G POTY who was also National POTY, another guy that was 2nd team all conference, another starter that shot almost 50% from 3 and our 6th man from last season.
You guys are replacing 4 of your top 5 scorers, 2 of whom earned all conference recognition, with a bunch of 3rd or 4th options from other teams that werent very good either and a couple of guys that are talented but really young and/or inexperienced (Hunter and Foster).
No I does not. I never said Iowa State was going to be good. I said Iowa was going to take a step back because they have nothing but roll players right now, and 2 of said roll players went scoreless in Iowa's 2nd round game.
Yup. I was right. Get off the losing four of five starters. That has nothing to do with next years team. It would only be relative if they returned. We’re starting from scratch with the roster. Isn’t Iowa returning a bunch of 3rd, 4th and even lower options. Outside of Murray how would your discussion go if any of these players were transferring in? Even Murray has to make a big jump from a 7 point a game 3rd or 4th option to a scorer that may have to carry a team at times. I suppose Connor will develop a jump shot, Bohannon will suddenly become a defensive specialist, Tousant (sp) will become a steadying influence at PG. Patrick will suddenly be a 12 and 8 guy, Ulis and Perkins will go from a couple points a game to scoring sparks off the bench and the second team Summitt league transfer will control the middle. Funny how it changes when you’re looking at your own team.
ISU fans think Kalscheur is a great get out of the portal.
He shot 24.5% from 3 last year on over 5 attempts per game. For his career he is a career 37.6% shooter overall, 34.5% shooter from 3 on 521 attempts and a 77.6% FT shooter. He has only 126 career assists to 112 career turnovers and has a career DRtg of 105.7.
Bohannon is coming back for a 6th year and shot 39% from 3 last year on over 6 attempts per game. For his career he shoots 39% fromt he field, 40% from 3 on 909 attempts and 88.7% from the free throw line. He has 639 career assists to 257 turnovers and has a career DRtg of 111.0.
Otzenberger's first priority is to get name tags printed so the players know each other. My uninformed evaluation of the newbies is that they are experienced in high level competition and presumably mature. Where the points are going to come from, I have no idea.
They have played a lot of basketball and have literally zero accolades to show for it. But I'm sure this will be a case of the sum being greater than it's parts because OtZeLbErGeR.
Out of all that you choose to compare Bohannon to Kalschuer? Talk about cherry picking. Funny how some polls showed more than half of IA fans preferred he not come back. How’s he going to do when he doesn’t have Garza to feed it to. Can he create his own shot? If you’re saying the analytics say he’s a good defensive player there’s my argument about analytics not being the end all be all. I hardly ever watch IA but all I hear about is how bad Bohannon’s D is. Maybe all those Hawk fans are wrong about Bohannon but right about everything else. I wasn’t even comparing IA to ISU. Just pointing out all the the projections IA fans have to make in order for IA to be a decent team. Works both ways.
You brought up what the discussion would look like if any of our current guys were transferring in. Bohannon is the best example of that because he wasn't expected to come back. And LOL at the poll you reference. Idiots are tired of Bohannon on Twitter and don't like him having a podcast or vouching for NIL rights.
The lower the number the better on DRtg.
Bohannon's best season was his 3rd year on campus when Garza was a sophomore that had not yet become the best player in the country.
While Iswho fans are delusional, I would hope that clown fans have the common sense to realize that their football team is certainly not at the same level as the Alabama’s, Clemson, and Ohio State’s. Heck, r the clowns even as good as Iowa this season?
Was the third year before his surgeries? Maybe why he digressed? Again you cherry picked your best returning player (statistically) to make a point. My point is you are relying on a lot of players that haven’t done much YET. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Just assume that all the players you are counting on to contribute we’re transferring in (pretty much the case at ISU), how would the discussion go? There would be a lot of questions. The questions I posted earlier. Can these players correct some weaknesses and go from 3rd, 4th, 5th options to solid, consistent contributors? Similar questions ISU fans are asking. That’s all I’m saying.
I really don’t get your fascination with losing players from a terrible team. Should TJ have kept them? Is he the first coach to come in and clean house? What’s the joke - the good news is we return everybody from last year, the bad news is we sucked last year. I believe he did a decent job of upgrading the roster talent, especially considering what he had to sell. You seem to agree with that at times “Hunter is an upgrade”, “more depth”. How much we improve remains to be seen. No reasonable fan thinks this is a one year turn-around.
By the way, go back through history and check the unheralded transfers that ISU has taken that became very solid contributors. Abdul Nader, Deonte Burton, Jamel McKay, Dustin Hogue, Chris Babb, Nick Weiler-Babb, etc. Maybe ISU fans have hope because we’ve seen it in the past. Who knows what the future holds. Thanks for the discussion. Appreciate not being called childish names. Good luck.
What you’re missing is none of those guys were established starters on a P6 team - maybe Jacobsen who wasn’t actually too bad, especially his Junior year. The three main transfers this year are all established starters on a P6 team. Their floor is much higher. Should I name all the substitutes for IA (the key to IA’s season) that never progressed to contributors. Hmm.
Interesting that all but one or two (maybe all) of those guys were brought in by Prohm. That’s why he’s no longer here.
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