***NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS SESSION II***

[Hawky42]

TRY and stick with me and I will expand. It is EXTREMELY hard to PEAK at B1Gs and NCAAs when you have the added pressure to WIN the CYHAWK, beat OK st, the GRIND of the B1G 10 schedule. MAYBE you would like to give a kid a break when he isn't 100% but ADDED PREASURE keeps you from doing this.

MAYBE you would like to cycle the practices where you can ease up some, but you have ANOTHER BIG match!!! I would say LIGHTEN up the load and maybe condense it some if possible but how!?!?!? You are EXPECTED to have a GREAT product on the mat ALL the time. Even if you are wrestling XYZ U who is not very good, you still roll out TOP guys because it is a HOME match and people wanna see the best.

BELEIVE me the GRIND takes its toll and the ONLY path I see forward is to become a team as good, NO- BETTER then F*** st!!! This way you can roll out backups whenever needed and still win!!!

Have seen even PRO athletes who could not make it in NY due to the added pressure!!!!

I don't think our guys wearing out is a problem. Its a long season for everyone but with few dates with competition.
I think that the guys are maybe effected by the TnT philosophy, whether its chipping away doing a lot of effort that's not needed or being too tight and hyperbolic about defense.

But also, i want to note that maybe there is a reason why Penn State has a gutless and weak non-conference schedule. For real look who they faced this year, an average but not great Lehigh team, and went to a dual tournament where they faced a formerly good program in Mizzou. Other than that total tomatoe can teams.

Our hope is Angelo Ferrari can impact the rest of the team, including recruiting, like Spence Lee did.. OR also some guys actually find a new gear like DeSanto, Warner, Kemerer, and Cassiopi did. 4 of our heroes from 2021, I know that people like to downplay or forget our national title that year with the shortened season but damn it it still means a lot because of the efforts and progress all those guys put out there.

 

[texas twister]

I I’ve seen the educational attainment data in Iowa. It’s not good.

You are a liar. Iowa always ranks very high in high school performance. The universities are considered very solid.

 

[IowaHerky04]

Potential points for the rest of the tournament

	Points	Championship Wrestlers	Consolation Wrestlers	Total Wrestlers	Max Possible	w/o Bonus
Penn State	39.5	10	0	10	279.5	219.5
Nebraska	28.0	5	4	9	246.0	168.0
Oklahoma State	27.0	6	2	8	220.0	160.0
Iowa	18.0	5	2	7	187.0	133.0
Minnesota	18.0	3	5	8	212.5	134.5
Ohio State	18.0	4	3	7	187.5	127.5
Cornell	17.0	3	6	9	236.0	146.0
Illinois	16.5	3	5	8	211.0	133.0
Michigan	16.5	3	2	5	137.5	95.5
UNI	17.5	2	8	10	261.5	153.5

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Potential points for the rest of the tournament

	Points	Championship Wrestlers	Consolation Wrestlers	Total Wrestlers	Max Possible
Penn State	39.5	10	0	10	279.5
Nebraska	28.0	5	4	9	246.0
Oklahoma State	27.0	6	2	8	220.0
Iowa	18.0	5	2	7	187.0
Minnesota	18.0	3	5	8	212.5
Ohio State	18.0	4	3	7	187.5
Cornell	17.0	3	6	9	236.0
Illinois	16.5	3	5	8	211.0
Michigan	16.5	3	2	5	137.5
UNI	17.5	2	8	10	261.5

Sucks but it is what it is,,,

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I think they just said it's the first time. Pretty awesome for sure.

Someone with a brain should have split them up in the bracket

 

[js8793]

Potential points for the rest of the tournament

	Points	Championship Wrestlers	Consolation Wrestlers	Total Wrestlers	Max Possible	w/o Bonus
Penn State	39.5	10	0	10	279.5	219.5
Nebraska	28.0	5	4	9	246.0	168.0
Oklahoma State	27.0	6	2	8	220.0	160.0
Iowa	18.0	5	2	7	187.0	133.0
Minnesota	18.0	3	5	8	212.5	134.5
Ohio State	18.0	4	3	7	187.5	127.5
Cornell	17.0	3	6	9	236.0	146.0
Illinois	16.5	3	5	8	211.0	133.0
Michigan	16.5	3	2	5	137.5	95.5
UNI	17.5	2	8	10	261.5	153.5

we can still break the team score record!

 

[MSU158]

Well, the only thing you would love more is for MSU to have top 10 recruits across all 10 weights...correct?

Might as well hope for my tears to be perfect diamonds and my sweat 24 k gold. As ridiculous as that is is it infinitely more likely than what you just proposed.

Still, they do get a decent donation every year from me and I have yet to truly consider stopping.

Now, back to Reacher…

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I do my best to absorb all the negativity and hate so that you can express the same opinion without feeling the wrath…

Like activated charcoal

 

[sdvike]

I like where we're at. Nothing can be done about Teemer and Parco. Hope they had good times in the room and Carver. Kennedy definitely has a long shot but the rest in quarters are right in there or favorite. Arnold is going to have to fight like a dog to AA but it's possible.

 

[Jason.D.Brantley]

I have an English degree, dude. I write thousands of words a day for a living. I’ve seen the educational attainment data in Iowa. It’s not good. Wouldn’t expect you to understand a complex sentence

Ohhhh look what we have here another Penn State humble bragger I didn't know you needed an an English degree to write HARDCORE GAY PORN stories.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

So after day one, we have exactly as many advancement points as expected minus the Teemer half point he missed out on vs the 31. Now I don't expect PK to match Parco's projection in the long run, but he and Gabe can get a good portion of that back if one or both can get on the podium. Caliendo can gain 2.5 points just by making the finals as well, although Buchanan could just as easily lose from the 2. And Drake could win the whole f'n thing and blow up all the projections!

Going into the tournament, bonus excluded, points were supposed to be PSU 157, Iowa 70, OK St 68, Nebraska 62. Iowa likely loses 9 (5th place plus 2 more expected advancement points) from Parco, OSU loses 5.5 for Surber (8th plus 2.5 advancement). Nebraska has two 12s in the quarters, but like Kennedy, likely bounced in the morning. They are very reliant on Hardy and Lovett meeting their seeds unless they have a bunch of guys wrestle back more than expected. We are getting outbonused so far and lost a penalty point so that's were OSU has made up that gap provided Parco is actually done or loses if he goes. So it'll be a interesting battle for second as expected. Once Teemer got hurt this year, and to a lesser extent AJ and Gable actually came back and became point roadblocks on the podium, that's always been the script.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Yep

Here is the rule: Art. 18. First Nonbleeding Timeout and Opponent Already Has Choice. If the first injury timeout is taken and the noninjured wrestler already has earned the choice of position, then the noninjured wrestler will keep the choice and the injured wrestler will be assessed a warning for stalling. If the second wrestler calls injury timeout before wrestling resumes, then they are also charged with a timeout and the injury timeout choice of position cancel each other and wrestling resumes as per regular second period restart rules.

 

[4net3sandbagger]

They aren’t responsible for Parco and Teemer’s injuries.

However, building your team out of 6th and 7th year transfers because you failed to recruit and develop your own guys is inherently risky, which is exactly what I told you at the beginning of the year.

There is a structural issue in Brands’ vision for the program which is why, more often than not, things go wrong

I don't think our guys wearing out is honestly a problem. Its a long season for everyone but with few dates with competition.
I think that the guys are maybe effected by the TnT philosophy, whether its chipping away doing a lot of effort that's not needed or being too tight and hyperbolic about defense.

But also, i want to note that maybe there is a reason why Penn State has a gutless and weak non-conference schedule. For real look who they faced this year, an average but not great Lehigh team, and went to a dual tournament where they faced a formerly good program in Mizzou. Other than that total tomatoe can teams.

Our hope if Angelo Ferrari can impact the rest of the team, including recruiting, like Spence Lee did.
or also some guys actually find new gear like DeSanto, Warner, Kemerer, and Cassiopi did. 4 of our heroes from 2021, I know that people like to downplay or forget our national title that year with the shortened season but damn it it still means a lot because of the efforts and progress all those guys put out there.

Not a great track record for finding another gear. It sucks, but there is a lot more regression than progress. And it just gets accepted. I look at someone like Patrick Kennedy. Freaking stud coming out of high school. One of the top recruits that a lot of teams were after. Unattached season with only 2 losses. One of which was a 1 point loss to Marinelli. Now, you just hope to AA. It just seems like that room is where talent goes to die. Can't blame that on NIL or portal or any other excuse that always seems to come up.

 

[MacwoodFleetPsu]

You are a liar. Iowa always ranks very high in high school performance. The universities are considered very solid.

They used to. Losing ground under Kim Reynolds

 

[GableBeer]

 

[MacwoodFleetPsu]

Ohhhh look what we have here another Penn State humble bragger I didn't know you needed an an English degree to write HARDCORE GAY PORN stories.

I cover the NFL for a living. You may have heard of it

 

[Bogiyev]

Another horrible corner decision.

PK up 3-0 with an hour of RT and you go auto bottom and let Casella completely change the momentum of the match.

So predictable and so f’ing frustrating. This stuff isn’t hard. You don’t have to be a wrestling savant to understand this.

Pay attention! Or don't comment. Either works.

 

[smalls103]

Godamnit! My ex gf must have realized I’ve been using her espn account, just got logged out. Who’s got their exes login information for me?

A+ post

 

[el dub]

Teemer mailed that 💩 in.


Bags probably already packed.


Thief.

That’s just mean spirited.

 

[thedecider]

I cover the NFL for a living. You may have heard of it

Please provide the link to your X account where you copy and paste Adam Schefters tweets.

Can I also be your first sub to the podcast you host that no one listens to?

 

[Life=HawkeyeWrestlin]

Getting so tired of watching ESPN do interview after interview on the sides of the mat with people that aren’t even wrestling. All while matches are being wrestled in the background. They act like it’s a damn talk show. This coverage is horrible.

That’s why you mat cast. You get all 8 at once no bs time

 

[Life=HawkeyeWrestlin]

Peyton Hall of WV has two tech falls thus far. If (or when) Caliendo can get past Michigan kid tomorrow, that'll be a tough one.

This will be a great match against another kid with lots of offense and a motor as well. I’m looking forward to that. Most years that match would be an NCAA finals match so Cali could have two finals matches in a row.

 

[CMMG Banshee]

I don't think our guys wearing out is a problem. Its a long season for everyone but with few dates with competition.
I think that the guys are maybe effected by the TnT philosophy, whether its chipping away doing a lot of effort that's not needed or being too tight and hyperbolic about defense.

But also, i want to note that maybe there is a reason why Penn State has a gutless and weak non-conference schedule. For real look who they faced this year, an average but not great Lehigh team, and went to a dual tournament where they faced a formerly good program in Mizzou. Other than that total tomatoe can teams.

Our hope is Angelo Ferrari can impact the rest of the team, including recruiting, like Spence Lee did.. OR also some guys actually find a new gear like DeSanto, Warner, Kemerer, and Cassiopi did. 4 of our heroes from 2021, I know that people like to downplay or forget our national title that year with the shortened season but damn it it still means a lot because of the efforts and progress all those guys put out there.

The issue comes down to the coaches . Gable made Iowa a dynasty. Sanderson has done the same at PSU. No matter what one or two recruits a team gets it’ll still come down to the coach , the ceo.

No one was better than Gable back in the day.

 

[CMMG Banshee]

That’s why you mat cast. You get all 8 at once no bs time

I still hate espn due to the clock issues and no riding time clock. But overall I agree. I also missed a few PSU matches or most of them because they came on late.

However without it I’d be really mad. Last year I tried to get it. The process seemed to be so ridiculous, I finally figured out this year and I tried to do it a few weeks ago. It turned out I had a bundle, Hulu, Disney and ESPN plus. It’s not the easiest thing if someone’s trying to do it on Thursday morning.

 

[CMMG Banshee]

Ohhhh look what we have here another Penn State humble bragger I didn't know you needed an an English degree to write HARDCORE GAY PORN stories.

That’s not humble bragging, he’s straight up ball busting and trolling.

 

[LIV4GOD]

I have an English degree, dude. I write thousands of words a day for a living. I’ve seen the educational attainment data in Iowa. It’s not good. Wouldn’t expect you to understand a complex sentence

I don't have an English degree, and ask for you to please correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't your last sentence need an "I" at the beginning and a period at the end to be a complete sentence?

 

[tiltman]

TRY and stick with me and I will expand. It is EXTREMELY hard to PEAK at B1Gs and NCAAs when you have the added pressure to WIN the CYHAWK, beat OK st, the GRIND of the B1G 10 schedule. MAYBE you would like to give a kid a break when he isn't 100% but ADDED PREASURE keeps you from doing this.

MAYBE you would like to cycle the practices where you can ease up some, but you have ANOTHER BIG match!!! I would say LIGHTEN up the load and maybe condense it some if possible but how!?!?!? You are EXPECTED to have a GREAT product on the mat ALL the time. Even if you are wrestling XYZ U who is not very good, you still roll out TOP guys because it is a HOME match and people wanna see the best.

BELEIVE me the GRIND takes its toll and the ONLY path I see forward is to become a team as good, NO- BETTER then F*** st!!! This way you can roll out backups whenever needed and still win!!!

Have seen even PRO athletes who could not make it in NY due to the added pressure!!!!

So now it’s the schedules fault for underperforming? And the fans fault also because we want to go watch and they feel like they must appease us?

And at this point all the injuries even the ones happening in matches aren’t a coincidence; something is definitely wrong and has been wrong for years somewhere in the training. Whether it’s a stretching/flexibility issue, lifting form causing stress, it’s something it’s not a coincidence that it happens year after year after year.
We legit need guys in the room that can scramble. These guys know how to stretch out and get loose, they constantly are moving their feet and don’t look like they have concrete blocks on their feet, and when they fire off shots they don’t end in a stalemate 83% of the time.

 

[TarpHawk]

We finally won an upset match--thank you, PK!

Re Teemer, I don't think it's one or the other (injury vs. mailing it in). Appears to be some of both. He got taken down because he wasn't moving his feet, not because there was pressure on his shoulder. Something deeper going on with him, inside his head. Maybe Gable could've figured him out.

Re Parco, major bummer.

Still a lot of good wrestling in the round, and hopefully to come.

 

[MSU158]

We finally won an upset match--thank you, PK!

Re Teemer, I don't think it's one or the other (injury vs. mailing it in). Appears to be some of both. He got taken down because he wasn't moving his feet, not because there was pressure on his shoulder. Something deeper going on with him, inside his head. Maybe Gable could've figured him out.

Re Parco, major bummer.

Still a lot of good wrestling in the round, and hopefully to come.

Its the calf AND hammy that causes that. Many see that he is still fast on his feet, which he is. But, they don't realize that his balance is WAY off and that also affects constant movement. That is why his legs were so much easier to get to. Then, add in that he can't use his right arm whatsoever to defend, nor can he move his legs in ways to clear and he ends up taken down multiple times, where he simply would NOT have if not so seriously injured...

Still, he waited way too long to open up and just go for it. He needed to wrestle the whole match like he did that last minute and let it end up however it would, giving it his all from the opening whistle, knowing his career is over if he loses.

 

[HawkMachine]

I have an English degree, dude. I write thousands of words a day for a living. I’ve seen the educational attainment data in Iowa. It’s not good. Wouldn’t expect you to understand a complex sentence

All THAT and you forgot a period at the end of your last sentence?

Classic.

 

[IRONBIRD]

So now it’s the schedules fault for underperforming? And the fans fault also because we want to go watch and they feel like they must appease us?

And at this point all the injuries even the ones happening in matches aren’t a coincidence; something is definitely wrong and has been wrong for years somewhere in the training. Whether it’s a stretching/flexibility issue, lifting form causing stress, it’s something it’s not a coincidence that it happens year after year after year.
We legit need guys in the room that can scramble. These guys know how to stretch out and get loose, they constantly are moving their feet and don’t look like they have concrete blocks on their feet, and when they fire off shots they don’t end in a stalemate 83% of the time.

LOOK, I have talked about what little weight room lifting I have seen the HAWKS performing and, "it would have to get better to SUCK!!!"

I believe now they have some decent NEW/ modern REHAB and PREHAB equipment and facilities but again, I have not seen much????

SO- I am looking at the B1Gger picture if you will!!! YES, IOWA has had WAY TWOOOOO many injuries and it is almost hard to think of anyone in the program for 4 years who wasn't hurt at some point?????

Mc-d, BULL, KemDAWG, Eirerman, Clark, LEE, Stol, Cass, ........ I mean it is INSANE!!! Like someone pointed out above, F*** st and many others have a much SOFTER schedule.

I will give you this as another example. Look at AJ Ferarri. He is wrestling a Cal Bake right. He was reported to have been "banged up some." There IS NO PRESSURE for him to take the mat during the season!!! He just "cruised" along getting ready for the ONLY thing that mattered, and that is RIGHT NOW!!!

SWITCH him with BUCHANAN!!!! OUR guy has had some TAPE on him, some knee sleeves etc.... MAYBE it would have been better for him to take some matches off here and there??? My guess is, he would have IF the rolls are reversed!!! CERTAINLY if AJ was a HAWK, he would not have had the luxury the way he did because IOWA need to WIN 197 in MANY matches to WIN the duals!!!

I can NOT explain it any better!!!!! Being at IOWA DEMANDS MORE!!!! It may not be the only reason but I am 100% convinced it is playing a B1G factor!!!!

 

[Steevo36]

I have an English degree, dude. I write thousands of words a day for a living. I’ve seen the educational attainment data in Iowa. It’s not good. Wouldn’t expect you to understand a complex sentence

nerd

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

ESPN needs to make it where you pick the match you want much easier.

If only there were an ESPN+ or something...

 

[4net3sandbagger]

LOOK, I have talked about what little weight room lifting I have seen the HAWKS performing and, "it would have to get better to SUCK!!!"

I believe now they have some decent NEW/ modern REHAB and PREHAB equipment and facilities but again, I have not seen much????

SO- I am looking at the B1Gger picture if you will!!! YES, IOWA has had WAY TWOOOOO many injuries and it is almost hard to think of anyone in the program for 4 years who wasn't hurt at some point?????

Mc-d, BULL, KemDAWG, Eirerman, Clark, LEE, Stol, Cass, ........ I mean it is INSANE!!! Like someone pointed out above, F*** st and many others have a much SOFTER schedule.

I will give you this as another example. Look at AJ Ferarri. He is wrestling a Cal Bake right. He was reported to have been "banged up some." There IS NO PRESSURE for him to take the mat during the season!!! He just "cruised" along getting ready for the ONLY thing that mattered, and that is RIGHT NOW!!!

SWITCH him with BUCHANAN!!!! OUR guy has had some TAPE on him, some knee sleeves etc.... MAYBE it would have been better for him to take some matches off here and there??? My guess is, he would have IF the rolls are reversed!!! CERTAINLY if AJ was a HAWK, he would not have had the luxury the way he did because IOWA need to WIN 197 in MANY matches to WIN the duals!!!

I can NOT explain it any better!!!!! Being at IOWA DEMANDS MORE!!!! It may not be the only reason but I am 100% convinced it is playing a B1G factor!!!!

Maybe develop some of the backups. Get a few matches. You say all this, and still wrestle most of your starters at Bellarmine lol. That wasn't even at Carver!!! Same with Wisconsin!! Pretty sure you didn't need Buchanan in those as an example you used.

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

I'll play devil's advocate (and catch a lot of hell for it, I'm sure). The problem, in my opinion, is that the body can't take 6-7 years of D1 wrestling training...for the most part. There are some big success stories, but here's my point.

KemDawg- 7th year senior. Did AA, but finished lower than the year before and had a major injury
Marinelli- 6th year senior. AA, but major injury
Jaydin Eierman- 6th year senior. Major injury and no AA.
Spencer Lee- Absolute stud. 6 years. Battled injuries throughout. Default to 6th.
Jacori Teemer- 6th year. 0-2. Injured all season.
Kyle Parco- 6th year. MFF. Major knee injury.

The body can't sustain itself for this type of training, for that long. It's not that the Hawks aren't getting guys that can't wrestle. They're putting guys on the mat with too many miles on them.

FWIW, I'm a big fan of every one of these wrestlers except Eierman.

Go ahead and light me up on my take.

 

[johnyt9]

I'll play devil's advocate (and catch a lot of hell for it, I'm sure). The problem, in my opinion, is that the body can't take 6-7 years of D1 wrestling training...for the most part. There are some big success stories, but here's my point.

KemDawg- 7th year senior. Did AA, but finished lower than the year before and had a major injury
Marinelli- 6th year senior. AA, but major injury
Jaydin Eierman- 6th year senior. Major injury and no AA.
Spencer Lee- Absolute stud. 6 years. Battled injuries throughout. Default to 6th.
Jacori Teemer- 6th year. 0-2. Injured all season.
Kyle Parco- 6th year. MFF. Major knee injury.

The body can't sustain itself for this type of training, for that long. It's not that the Hawks aren't getting guys that can't wrestle. They're putting guys on the mat with too many miles on them.

FWIW, I'm a big fan of every one of these wrestlers except Eierman.

Go ahead and light me up on my take.

I think Woods was also banged up his last year

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

I think Woods was also banged up his last year

Forgot about Woods, but he was only a 5th year senior.

 

[MSU158]

I'll play devil's advocate (and catch a lot of hell for it, I'm sure). The problem, in my opinion, is that the body can't take 6-7 years of D1 wrestling training...for the most part. There are some big success stories, but here's my point.

KemDawg- 7th year senior. Did AA, but finished lower than the year before and had a major injury
Marinelli- 6th year senior. AA, but major injury
Jaydin Eierman- 6th year senior. Major injury and no AA.
Spencer Lee- Absolute stud. 6 years. Battled injuries throughout. Default to 6th.
Jacori Teemer- 6th year. 0-2. Injured all season.
Kyle Parco- 6th year. MFF. Major knee injury.

The body can't sustain itself for this type of training, for that long. It's not that the Hawks aren't getting guys that can't wrestle. They're putting guys on the mat with too many miles on them.

FWIW, I'm a big fan of every one of these wrestlers except Eierman.

Go ahead and light me up on my take.

Eh, if you are expecting their best finishes to be that last year when they have never won it before, there is something to this. But, historically, most Iowa guys are still AA'ing at the end of their careers, short of major injury. They aren't regressing. Warner, who you didn't include, won 6 matches his 6th year to take 5th.

The injury thing sucks. I get wanting to blame the staff since it seems to be happening way too often. However, didn't acuhawk and gobblin come out and say that the Brands have changed a ton of the training regimen to try to curb this and yet it still seems to keep happening. I just don't know how you blame a school for Covid and having loyal guys stay with them for that long.

Hopefully, once the Covid effects are gone for good, the 6th and 7th year guys go the way of the Dodo and we don't ever have to discuss it any more....

 

[WrestleEveryDay]

Eh, if you are expecting their best finishes to be that last year when they have never won it before, there is something to this. But, historically, most Iowa guys are still AA'ing at the end of their careers, short of major injury. They aren't regressing. Warner, who you didn't include, won 6 matches his 6th year to take 5th.

The injury thing sucks. I get wanting to blame the staff since it seems to be happening way too often. However, didn't acuhawk and gobblin come out and say that the Brands have changed a ton of the training regimen to try to curb this and yet it still seems to keep happening. I just don't know how you blame a school for Covid and having loyal guys stay with them for that long.

Hopefully, once the Covid effects are gone for good, the 6th and 7th year guys go the way of the Dodo and we don't ever have to discuss it any more....

Warner is one of the success stories of a 6th year.

My simple point was the body doesn't hold up for D1 training for that long. That's also something that would take some time to figure out, being this is uncharted territory for the new length of NCAA careers. I wasn't specifically blaming Iowa, but using them as an example since this is an Iowa page. Eierman, Teemer, and Parco spent almost all of their careers somewhere else.

 

[johnyt9]

DeSanto

Forgot about Woods, but he was only a 5th year senior.

DeSanto too dealt with that thumb/wrist issue all year long - Tom said it was more mentally bothering him than physically

Edit: Oh, Duh and Nelson Brands.

There is obviously something to 'not wanting' to rely on 6th/7th year guys. but this is all hindsight. We added Parco in the summer last year because we needed a 149. SB we added late in the summer b/c we needed a 197. JT came even later like August/Sept. We didn't have other options.

It is funny to me how everyone (particularly our own fans) complain about spending money on him. 1. it isn't your money. 2. If Bob Nichols and co. are shelling out this type of money that late in the off-season, it isn't like it is going to go somewhere else.

They are taking a shot - it didn't pay off. I'd rather them try than not.

Of course recruiting could/should be better, but when it doesn't pan out I'd rather pivot the way we did than stand pat and do nothing