Nelson is back
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We're playing checkers while the top programs are playing chess. Again.
So 3 legit AA contenders all plan to compete for the same weight, and the 2 that don't win will try to miraculously put on enough weight and strength to wrestle 184. That's some high level team planning right there. Couldn't possibly fail.
So 3 legit AA contenders all plan to compete for the same weight, and the 2 that don't win will try to miraculously put on enough weight and strength to wrestle 184. That's some high level team planning right there. Couldn't possibly fail.
Or odd man out, jumps in the portal? Doesn't it open again prior to fall?
Iowa is letting guys decide their own fate, what’s the issue? Iowa forcing people to go weights they don’t want to go would make our program even more unappealing. The loser of the 74 wrestleoffs will go up to 84 for the season. Wrestling is an individual sports, individuals should do what’s best for them
Agreed - hell, if Angelo gets here and says he doesn't want to redshirt and he wants to go 174, and he shows that he's the best guy at the weight, it should be his call to go there.
From a fan perspective it can be frustrating to think we don't have our lineup figured out, but ultimately the mentality should be to take care of the individual(s) and let the team score work itself out.
Just a reminder that one champion is worth two 5th place finishers. We need to have our best guys in their best weights to give them the best chances of winning individual titles. That by itself will help change the perception of Iowa while also giving us better results in the team race as well.
I’m all for guys battling it out for where they want to be, but I’m not a fan of waiting till the SS to do it. That kinda stuff needs to be decided and settled as far in advance as possible.
I have no disagreement with you on this. Iowa should have these wrestle offs done and over with by end of July so it gives time for the wrestlers to make the weight adjustments necessary.
Already got a nat champ at 197 hanging around Iowa City
I personally prefer to have Carroll
The individuals wrestle for the university of Iowa and while it's an individual sport, they're part of a team. Team finishes ultimately determine the success of the program.
What's best for the team has always been the way these things work best overall.
The issue is the team has a need at 184.
We also have a blue chip recruit who will be a RS freshman at 174. His ceiling is multiple national championships in the future.
If he loses in a wrestle off (to a 25 year old, will be 26 by March) 6th year senior, does either forcing him up to 184 or worse case out the door help or hurt the program overall?
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We can't afford to have potential AAs or future NCs jumping in the portal. In case you haven't noticed we don't exactly have top tier recruits lining up to come here. When we have AA level guys in the room, we need to get as many of them on the mat as possible. Imo Nelson's options should have been to compete for a spot at 184 or enjoy adulthood.
If Gabe jumps in the portal he loses a year anyways, if he waits, he’s the starter the year after. He doesn’t gain anything from going in.
I think Carroll would be a great addition, but hard to see that happening. I’m not an Aj fan off the mat, but he has hell of skills on the mat and seems to be lingering. Regardless got Zach at 97 for now.
I don’t think Carl lets the guys have this much leeway with all the log jams he has. He figures out who goes what weights, takes redshirts, so on. If you don’t like it, I bet he shows you the door.
But the program loses. Nelson is being gifted a 7th year because of his own lack of responsibility. Outside looking in he should be going 184. And building the body for that. Better for the lineup next year and optics for future recruits
Nelson Brands 184
Everyone needs to relax a bit.
Getting all worked up over nothing.
Everyone needs to relax a bit.
Getting all worked up over nothing.
The bolded part is about as far from accurate as anyone can be. He actually LOST a year due to "his own lack of responsibility." Many had known for quite some time BEFORE the gambling fiasco that he was, both, eligible for a medical hardship and going to pursue one.
It's not like he has wrestled a bunch of NCAA Tournaments like so many others that benefitted from the 2021 "Free Year". He as ONLY wrestled 2 so far and this would only be his 3rd. He is about as deserving as anyone could get for this last year, regardless of what happened the year prior...
I hope this is the case. If that is the plan, I do not understand the desire or benefit by creating confusion that could have negative ramifications including guys hitting the portal or recruits questioning their fit at desired weight, etc.
For a staff that is also on a bit of a hotter than normal seat than usual, I would think being a little more proactive and transparent with the thought process and lineup projecting may help appease those who are growing impatient and would feel much more comfortable knowing those at the decision making level have learned from past missteps and are adapting and taking a little more control of the lineups early enough to allow proper weight gain or loss.
I don’t think trying some Jedi mind trick is going to lead to any huge benefit in the end and just creates unnecessary confusion and concern. Nelson has quite the sense of humor but these actions impact not only him but the rest of the team, prospective recruits and the coaching staff who could benefit from a little less scrutiny by showing they have control of the program and are doing their part to get the best 10 wrestlers on the mat, at the ideal weight to give each wrestler the best chance for individual success and in turn maximum team placement.
I’m certainly glad he gets another year. However. If the ncaa didn’t revise their punishments which I think were unfair. They would have gotten the death penalty. Gift.
They didn't revise them in any way because of him. They revised them because they were archaic and ridiculous. Even now they are still ridiculous. Betting on your own team is really the only way you should absolutely get a permanent ban. Betting on your own sport or betting on your own school, in a different sport are the only others I think COULD still deserve a permanent ban, but that would need to clearly show there was some type of collusion or inside knowledge that either influenced the result or clearly benefited from it...
I understand why they revised them and don’t disagree. However they all knew the rules although he claimed ignorance in the interview which made him sound dumb. Knowing the rules and still doing it makes it a gift. Then unless it’s behind the scenes chess he creates turmoil with the 174 talk. It makes the program look like they have no idea what their doing…
I for one believe Nelson got on here and saw all the stupid political and bs threads and decided he was gonna give us something to talk wrestling related for a few days
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This is such a crappy take. All college kids are betting on sports. It’s everywhere. I have nephew playing D1 baseball. He laughed when I asked him if he knew anyone betting on college sports. We had a few guys get caught up in it because their rights were violated. Do the same investigation on any other campus and the results would be the same.
Why do you think the coaches need to justify their actions every time a fan base on a message board gets worked up? And what makes you think that Nelson hasn't included the team on this joke - assuming it is one? This board can provide hours of amusement if anyone on the team wants to stir the pot just a bit.
I don’t disagree with the rules being outdated and I agree that their rights were Probly violated. But it’s not a crappy take when they knowingly violated the rules and it’s my opinion they are lucky to still be wrestling and I’m glad they are.
How’s it look to recruits and their parents. I certainly hope it’s some inside joke and one of our athletes is preparing to be a 184
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I was speaking more to your line about making the program look dumb. I think every athletic department out there is sitting back now and saying damn, I am sure glad our state didn’t break the law investigating our student athletes.
I’m sure you’re right about other programs.
I was referring to Nelson. He claimed ignorance. are supposed to attend a meeting regarding these rules annually. If he knew the rules and consequences but still broke them does that sound smart….
i don't understand most the logic here, and what i do understand i vehemently disagree with
Because when the program reaches a point of perceived stagnation and the recent results are not meeting expectations, you lose some of the leeway and trust from others that the program is doing everything they can to position to regain championship status.
Keeping all information tight and close to the chest is fine when you are winning, and the program is on an upward trajectory but when there are repeated missteps at multiple junctures, it starts to turn up the spotlight and people start wanting to see behind the curtain and actually hear more about the process and steps being taken to avoid the same failures from the past.
As another poster noted, initiating or fostering confusion only makes the program seem like they don’t know what they are doing and are not adapting to get lineups planned in advance for the best individual and team results.
Sure, the coaches and wrestlers don’t owe the fans anything, but as the face of the program and personnel in charge of meeting program standards, I think erring on the side of showing that there is a plan and steps are being taken to ensure the best chance at success certainly wouldn’t hurt.
The coaches don't need to justify anything posted on message boards, they need to start having a team that performs better. That's the point of what we're commenting on, a potential major decision and it's affect on the team's performance both this year and beyond.
No high end recruit that is going through the intense process of recruitment is going to give a rats ass about what a message board says. Most rational people understand social media is toxic at best and to ignore it and the athletes and their families learn this very quickly.
I’m not talking about message board fodder. I’m talking about an interview on Flo where it’s stated he intends on wrestling 174. It makes it appear as if the program plans poorly
1. It's not as black and white as a true or false point. Surely there's a lot of nuance in how other teams work with the wrestlers on what weight guys will be at, psu included.
2. PSU isn't a great comp regardless, bc they have top 10 guys waiting in the wings or already committed at just about every weight. Even when they have high level guys battling for the same weight, the affect on the team and program as a whole is nill.
Why do they need to tell a fan base what their plan is five months or so before the season even starts? The fact is they don't.
But, his answer of "false" was correct to the post he was commenting to.
You changed the whole conversation compared to what he was commenting on.
Not worked up in the slightest, just disappointed that the program cannot up their game in certain areas like this and the issues with the optics this sort of thing creates.
If I’m Beth Goetz and seriously entertaining the thought of making a change, these things reflect on the program and are likely part of a decision to either move on or stick with the staff you feel confident are acting in the most competent and professional manner expected of a top program.
I love the Brands bros and staff and am rooting like hell for them to succeed and get the program back on top, but there seems to be a growing level of frustration that the same issues keep coming up time and time again and the growth and adapting that we all hoped for isn’t happening to the level needed to regain championship status.
