It's your right to defend yourself if someone assaults you. Oklahoma has a stand your ground law. Jones is lucky he wasn't killed.
Oklahoma football player Spencer Jones gets his ass beat in
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It's your right to defend yourself if someone assaults you. Oklahoma has a stand your ground law. Jones is lucky he wasn't killed.
Show me the assault he was responding to. You mean that little shove on the shoulder that the other guy gave? Yeah, good luck with that. Like the video shows, there was no imminent threat, could have retreated to the exit, oh, and he ended up knocking out and crushing the face of the wrong guy. Hope he enjoys prison.
I thought that was kind of funny. Jones was like what what you got there. MMA dude gave him a bitch slap and then a right and proceeded to whoop his ass.
How do YOU measure the force required for an assault? What standard do YOU use, and how would you apply it in a situation like that?
Don't you know that Finance85 is from the mean streets? He doesn't think laws actually apply here. Just whatever sandbox rules he wants to have.
I'm generally not in favor of violence, but that was satisfying to watch. Jones was clearly using his status as an OU football player to bully what he thought was a lesser opponent.
You must have access to more video than what I saw. I didn't see the exit to confirm it was a retreatable option or what occurred earlier that caused the bloody nose.
And just to clear things up medically, I suspect that the “injury requiring surgery that almost cost him his eye” was an orbital floor fracture. Otherwise called a blowout fracture and most commonly results from a punch to the face.
While to say he almost lost his eye is accurate, if he had what I suspect he did, that chance was very low. They mention repairing his orbit which nearly confirms my suspicions.
The chance of losing the eye all depends on what his globe(eye) looked like. I suspect it was just fine. Now to be more clear, these kinda injuries can be serious though as they can result in what’s called a dysconjugate gaze and if the orbital wall is not repaired it can result in double vision. Which for a kick holder would be ‘career’ ending.
So seems he made a bad choice.
While to say he almost lost his eye is accurate, if he had what I suspect he did, that chance was very low. They mention repairing his orbit which nearly confirms my suspicions.
The chance of losing the eye all depends on what his globe(eye) looked like. I suspect it was just fine. Now to be more clear, these kinda injuries can be serious though as they can result in what’s called a dysconjugate gaze and if the orbital wall is not repaired it can result in double vision. Which for a kick holder would be ‘career’ ending.
So seems he made a bad choice.
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It’s why fighting is moronic
1. you get your ass kicked
2. You kick ass and leave yourself open to legal or civil penalties
1. you get your ass kicked
2. You kick ass and leave yourself open to legal or civil penalties
You continue to falsely insinuate that the video starts at the beginning of the encounter. The dude already has a bloody nose.
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I believe his career was already over. Specialty kick holders aren’t a thing in the nfl.
This is so wrong it’s embarrassing. So the football players aren’t trained in combat? You serious? What is football if not combat?
And morons like you seem to keep ignoring the guy who received the first punches did not touch anyone else first. Jail time MMA douchers.
I've been on the side of the MMA guys, but holding the ball for a placekicker is not really playing football.
How do you know what happened before that video started recording?? You have no clue if your statement is true or not.
With all the evidence we have, ball holder didn't hit anyone first. Keep making up whatever you want to make yourself feel better.
I was a defensive end in college. Pass rush was my specialty, crushing QBs was my passion.
I was not in any shape or form trained in combat.
I was a pretty big scary dude. I would have gotten my ass kicked by the vast majority of people who actually knew how to fight.
Plus this guy was a WR and placeholder.
Based on what we have seen, his friend made first contact. MMA was looking away when pushed so he probably believed it was him. Justifiable conclusion in my book.
And we only have a fraction of the evidence, dipshit. Your definitive statements make you a fool.
Do I know if fb guy hit anybody first? No.
Do you know that he didn’t? No.
Jebus. 7 pages now debating this. Someone needs to start a poll on predicted legal consequences to the two hobbits, if any.
You're wrong. There was a threat, the FB guy in his face and then you don't put your hands on another person. The FB players showed no sign of retreating and the shove is a sign of being aggressive. There's no way he's going to prison. The DA will stay out of it and let them "fight" it out with lawsuits. In the end it will be nothing but a learning experience for both.
Cool. Courts don't give a shit about Tenacious E on HROT thinks.
Sure but to pretend that the football player is going to successfully argue in court that he was outmatched seems kind of silly. Of course this is Oklahoma football so there’s that.
I would say we have a large majority of the evidence. Sorry you sucked so bad at football that you are apparently jealous of a D1 ball holder. I wAs A big ScArY DE durrrrr
The Oklahoma guy will be known as the dude who got his ass handed to him in a bathroom for the rest of his life. No lawsuit will undo that
Then please explain why the guy starts with a bloody nose before kicking that other guy’s ass.
to your point, they have eliminated such things from the game over the years like head slaps, trips, etc.
Then they shouldn’t pick fights like they are.
I think they picked a fight like entitled assholes, which may go hand-in-hand with many D1 football players (but obviously not all). Might be a high degree of multicollinearity.
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Consider who made that claim: His attorney.
My prediction is they get charged with Aggravated Assault & Battery due to the extent of the injuries inflicted. Will be looking at up to 5 years in prison and/or a fine. Probably end up pleading down but that will be up to the DA. This has gotten very public and the video is pretty graphic. A DA might see no reason to take a plea.
Here's the statute. I've highlighted the relevant parts.
§21-646. Aggravated assault and battery defined. A. An assault and battery becomes aggravated when committed under any of the following circumstances: Oklahoma Statutes - Title 21. Crimes and Punishments Page 165 1. When great bodily injury is inflicted upon the person assaulted; or 2. When committed by a person of robust health or strength upon one who is aged, decrepit, or incapacitated, as defined in Section 641 of this title. B. For purposes of this section “great bodily injury” means bone fracture, protracted and obvious disfigurement, protracted loss or impairment of the function of a body part, organ or mental faculty, or substantial risk of death.
Also, below is the self-defense statute.
§21-643. Force against another not unlawful, when - Self-defense - Defense of property.
3. When committed either by the person about to be injured, or by any other person in such person's aid or defense, in preventing or attempting to prevent an offense against such person, or any trespass or other unlawful interference with real or personal property in such person's lawful possession; provided the force or violence used is not more than sufficient to prevent such offense;
Nearly lost his eye is what the attorney said. He had the procedure done in an outpatient center. I have not idea what happened because I saw a single video clip. We have no idea what transpired before the fight. The correct thing to do in this situation is to simply walk away. Even if provoked..walk away. If it was a sucker punch then the guy will likely get in trouble. He aint going to prison...might serve jail time.
Its a story. I heard they were supposed to meet at the black angel and fight in the dark.
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