PSU vs Iowa
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Caffey beating Dean 3-2 makes me feel better about Warner’s chances of beating Dean. Warner beat Caffey 4-1 and 8-3 last year.
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Dean shows up in the 3rd period. Warner needs to get his work in early and not choke like Brucki
Caffey put it on on bulsak the other night too. The guy is streaky. He has the physical tools to beat anyone though.
The father of a wrestler coming to chirp on the other team's board is ridiculous anyway.
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I obviously want Iowa to win the dual Friday, but am I the only one who is more concerned with what we come away with than what we win right now? I like being the underdog. We aren't expected to win so get after it and feel PSU out. We need to take care of our own business in March and not rely on others to do our dirty work. If we lose the toss up matches, learn what we need to do differently to flip that outcome in March. We need to wrestle PSU smarter in March and use Friday to learn how to do that. That is where we failed last year. I hope we win Friday, but I would rather lose a close match now and flip that result at B10s or NCAAs. The only way we beat PSU this year is to beat them heads up at NCAA'S. The sky isn't falling if the Hawks lose Friday and we won't be crowned kings if we win.
Lot of times it seems like we win at carver/dual and lose at NCAAs. If we've gotta take some lumps during the season and come out on top when it truly matters then so be it.
Would be nice to keep the dual streak going though.
Lest people have forgotten or are the half of the PSU trolls that didn't know wrestling was a sport then, Okie State beat Iowa 21-13 in January of 1997. The Hawks went on to score 170 points at the NCAA tourney and had 6 finalists and 5 champs. January/ February dual meets mean nothing.
ADS has to beat the one armed bandit first. Austin needs to find it Friday.
I love Big Cass, but after watching Kerkvliet take town Parris 3 times while beating him, this match becomes a big concern. This is not the same guy Cass beat 9-0 last year when he had a life threatening staph infection followed by two blood clots.
Kerk is legit, no doubt about it. Cass will have to be sharper than he has been so far to win for sure.
Duals might not directly affect who wins the national championship, but to say they mean nothing is ridiculous. If they meant nothing, then we wouldn't have sold out season tickets this year. Duals mean a lot to the fans and to the pride of the wrestlers. Obviously what happens at the NCAA Championships is the most important, but to me every competition matters.
The "scrappy underdog" role is great for Iowa football, but not for one of the greatest programs in all sports, especially as the reigning national champs. Sounds like fans are making excuses ahead of time to ease the disappointment if Iowa loses. It'll be a battle, but it is absurd to say there is a clear favorite right now. Way too many close matches to call it either way. If PSU has an off day, then Iowa could blow them out. If Iowa has an off day, then PSU could blow us out. If both teams come out dialed in, then it is going to be a hell of a dual for fans of wrestling and make fans of either team anxious as hell.
The "scrappy underdog" role is great for Iowa football, but not for one of the greatest programs in all sports, especially as the reigning national champs. Sounds like fans are making excuses ahead of time to ease the disappointment if Iowa loses. It'll be a battle, but it is absurd to say there is a clear favorite right now. Way too many close matches to call it either way. If PSU has an off day, then Iowa could blow them out. If Iowa has an off day, then PSU could blow us out. If both teams come out dialed in, then it is going to be a hell of a dual for fans of wrestling and make fans of either team anxious as hell.
I hate penn state but we are clearly dogs in this dual…if we win, it’ll have to be a combo of our wrestlers performing great and theirs not so much. Would love to be wrong but…I don’t see it as all that close. We have a back up in, 2 hobbled and 2 wrestling subpar. For what it’s worth, I think kem beats starocci if they wrestle. Wasn’t impressed with him gassing against Michigan even though he was clearly the better wrestler and has been more offensive this year than last. I think we win 2-4 matches with zero bonus. That’s not good enough. Ncaa could be different if everyone shows up. But Penn state will be tough to beat. That’s reality.
They don't have to wrestle poorly and us wrestle great to win, we just need to wrestle great, or they need to wrestle poorly. Sure as hell don't need both.
Which is why I said them not so much. Not meaning they’d have to wrestle poorly. Just not great. If they wrestle great and we do too…we lose, IMO. You disagree?
I don't hate Penn State, and if everybody on both teams wrestles their best match of the year, then 125, 141, 174, 197, and 285 are tossups. PSU advantage at 133 and 184. Iowa advantage at 149, 157, and 165. How is that not close?
Except all the toss ups lean to PSU based on season circumstances so far and 149 more like a toss up leaning our way.
If they wrestle great and we wrestle great I think it'll be an absolute unpredictable battle that could have a different outcome every time in my opinion. Lot of toss ups if everybody is peaking.
On paper it is. But I don’t think 141 is a tossup. Think nick lee is just better, especially this year. Plus psu tends to win those toss ups. They’ll probably win 125, almost definitely win 141 and then 197 and hvy they have an advantage as far as I’m concerned. I think kem wins and even that might not happen. We’ve looked pretty awful and they look the exact opposite. It will be a good dual and the toss up matches should be close but I just don’t think we win many or any of them. Call it what you want but that’s how I see it. I respect how most of their wrestlers wrestle. I guess I should say I hate Carl and their fans, not psu. We will absolutely need Ayala and Warner to win in order to have a shot which means we also need one of kem and Cass to win and our automatics to do their thing. Not saying we can’t win just saying it doesn’t look good and probably won’t be close team score wise. We shall see. Would love to be wrong.
That's why I put in "if everybody on both teams wrestlers their best match of the year."
Based on performance this year, here are the tossups:
125 - Hildebrandt experience vs. Ayala in Carver - still a tossup
141 - Lee
174 - To be fair here, I can't possibly be objective when it comes to Kemerer. Big advantage for Starocci due to the shoulder injury, but Kemerer's advantage is that he's a better wrestler. I'll just say tossup and take whatever flack I'll get for it.
197: Both guys will be facing their biggest challenge of the season, and both guys have a loss already. Still a tossup.
285: Kerk
So PSU favored in 4, Iowa favored in 3, and 3 tossups. CLOSE dual.
It's doable but not gonna happen by guys wrestling in their comfort zone so to speak. This dual, getting it done at Nationals, going to take guys in shape mentally and physically to leave it on the mat every second in every position. Complete and total buy in that you can get it done. That's how stuff like 1997 happens.
You like how most of their guys wrestle? Half their team is extremely boring. 141, 184, and Hwt are consistently looking to score. I haven't seen much of Dean to know his style. We don't have to wrestle great to win this dual. We just can't wrestle bad and need to win the close ones. I know many are saying PSU wins the close ones but I guess not enough because they were the losers the last 2 years even with their loaded line ups.
how about we just forget mr. brooks exists? seems silly to call a guy a cancer over a few passionate tweets. usually cancers don't produce kids like aaron brooks and there's never been any public issues with him at psu. it's a heated rivalry. just ignore him. it's not like he's constantly posting.
I'm not even going to bother trying to predict this one... Could be anywhere from a 5-5 split to 8-2(unlikely, but possible) for either team.
I'm going with more of a confidence scale for this one. Going with the Mark Hall random number percentages as well
83% confident in win
165
157
68%
149
54%
197
47%
285
174
125
39%
141
26%
133
17%
184
I'm going with more of a confidence scale for this one. Going with the Mark Hall random number percentages as well
83% confident in win
165
157
68%
149
54%
197
47%
285
174
125
39%
141
26%
133
17%
184
I’d say this pretty much DQ’s you from having an educated opinion.
But humor me. What teams do you believe are more exciting? Assuming you’ve seen them wrestle.
Hahahahahahaa!!! Zieraths presence NOW is pure comedy!!! Get while ya can gentlemen!
Well shucks…. I’m not certain how he’ll ever sleep tonight now.
You implying I’m trying to make him lose sleep? That would be weird, even for me.
No goofball…. It’s just funny to me that you’re still here trying to engage people who don’t care about you or your thoughts and questions.
Or that you think you’re an authority on what “DQ”s him….😂
Hildebrandt is boring, RBY gets one amazing takedown then is boring the rest of the match, nick Lee is iowa style through and through, Bartlett is boring, whoever they put out at 57 is boring, berge is boring, stallrocci is boring, Brooks is a stud and pretty fun to watch, dean has been surprisingly good, Kerk was pretty fun to watch against Michigan.
What about this is false? (Don't come at me with a "well your wrestlers are boring too!" Blah blah blah, not talking about ours, talking about yours).
He’s probably just trying to suck every once of f** out of you guys before he moves on to the Ohio State and Oklahoma State boards. Becoming pretty obvious they will Penn States biggest threats for the next 10 years or so.
You guys are all acting like PSU are a group of God's and we're mortals trying to keep up.
Throw out how PSU has looked this year, throw out how we've looked this year, and what you're left with is two teams full of studs.
This is a pretty crazy match up in the sense that depending on who shows up ready to wrestle, we could blow them out, they could blow us out, or it could be neck and neck. The amount of tossups is insane. Dare I say f*n?
Throw out how PSU has looked this year, throw out how we've looked this year, and what you're left with is two teams full of studs.
This is a pretty crazy match up in the sense that depending on who shows up ready to wrestle, we could blow them out, they could blow us out, or it could be neck and neck. The amount of tossups is insane. Dare I say f*n?
I will sleep quite well if I put PSU on the tv. Half of their guys must get a bonus if they don't take a shot the first period.
I'm really good with math so thought I'd summarize for others. 511% confidence our guys will win. I like that.I'm not even going to bother trying to predict this one... Could be anywhere from a 5-5 split to 8-2(unlikely, but possible) for either team.
I'm going with more of a confidence scale for this one. Going with the Mark Hall random number percentages as well
83% confident in win
165
157
68%
149
54%
197
47%
285
174
125
39%
141
26%
133
17%
184
I might raise 133 to 35% and 174 to 49.5%, and lower 197 to 50%. So that puts me at 518.5% confidence.
Go Hawks, and math.
I don't know if you are referring to me when you say some fans are making excuses for an Iowa loss, but that isn't what I'm getting at. We may win and we may lose. Either way there can be positives. Underdog to me means no where to go but up so let it fly. Duals do matter and I wish they mattered more, but they don't decide team or individual titles. Can we win, absolutely. Will we win, I don't know. This could be a 21-9 loss and I won't feel any different about our chances if we are close at the "toss up" weights is what I am saying. 29 in a row would be impressive, but not an end all.
The whole frickin match is a toss up besides 84 IMO. But that might end up in a decision. I like Iowa at 49, 57, 65 and 74. Also like Iowa at heavy. He won’t get to cass’ legs like he did Passis’s. Let’s go Iowa. Forget these birds!!!
It’s adorable that you typed this, hit post and at the same time thought it was witty, funny, or clever.
Go do a sticker book and let the adults speak.
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