Maybe Penn state will be hit with covid or just not make weight "because they're under coached" miss the plane ect.. That will make Chips and DH happy. Just win Iowa! I don't care if you send out your best wrestlers just let Iowa win. Please don't send out those stalling National champions they're just so boring to watch. Iowa is just better right Chips? I mean don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. As a fan of wrestling I'm looking forward to the meet and hope all starters wrestle for their team. I think Iowa wins both at 165 and 174 but not hvy.
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That cuts deep, man. You seem to care, though, so I have that going for me.
I stand by my statement, and reiterate my question: What teams are more exciting to watch?
Huge match for Cass not only for the dual but if he wins he will have the inside track for #2 seed at bigs and Parris would get bumped to #4.
They will give the 2 to Schultz from ASU while the B10 beat each other up. Have to hope for the 3 or 6 to get the best path out of the B10. The fact that the B10 wrestlers get bumped with 1 or 2 losses over a undefeated guy who never wrestles anyone in the top 10 until NCAA'S really stinks, but that is the way it goes I guess.
He said at big tens. But regardless, if Cass is 2 at big tens and finishes 2nd, he will be bottom side at NCAAs
Call stalls appropriately. You mean for Iowa, even when Iowa isn't pushing any offensive attacks.
Here's what I've seen this year..........
It isn't Iowa wrestlers who have a problem wrestling......its the guys that Iowa guys are wrestling that seem to have that problem. Not saying we are perfect, but 99% of the stalling has come from the opponent.
Both sides better be ready to go. And the ref needs to be consistent.
Z
I want ALL stalling called regardless of who is doing it. I agreed with all the stalls Warner got the other night. That is the way they should be called. He wasn’t taking the guy back to the mat from the top position, but just ran him OB a few times and was consistently backing up and avoiding wrestling in the last minute or so of the third.
Unfortunately, the ref did not call it the same way the entire meet and they won’t at Big Tens or Nationals either. There are rules/guidelines for what constitutes stalling and avoidance of wrestling. Unfortunately, the refs very rarely and inconsistently follow them. There is way to much avoidance of wrestling, backing up to the edge of the mat and OB and running wrestlers off the mat from the top position with no stalls called.
Freestyle passivity rules and push out points make freestyle much more entertaining. The ability of wrestlers to avoid wrestling and consistently back up and out of bounds is making Folkstyle boring. I want to watch two wrestlers get after it for 7 minutes without going OB every 20 seconds or watching one wrestler chase the other all around the mat.
A fully healthy Kem gives Spencer a run for his money? A 3 time champ, all time great vs the resume of a one time finalist and it is neck and neck. Ok.
Didn't ask you, pussy cat.
I'll reiterate for the slow kitty fans in the back, a fully healthy Kem, this year and the years he missed weren't his only years battling injuries.
I'm not going to predict it but the one place where we might have a shot to pull off something big is with Kaleb. He has been able to put people on their backs at times in his career, does have that ability. Would be mighty useful.
Still. Your take is a one time finalist is right there with an all time great.
Don't be surprised if Brands keeps Kem on the bench instead of exposing that shoulder to Starocci
The match is in Carver. I doubt the ref will be overly consistent.
No matter the consistency of the ref, nor the outcome of the match come Friday post-match the biggest gripe here will be Penn State stalled at this weight, that weight or all weights. Even if the Penn State kid initiates most of the offense and wins 7-2. It will be because the PSU kid stalled.
If you wish to not see posts on a message board that show an Iowa bias it might be best to not visit an Iowa message board. Spoiler alert…..posts on the PSU board will have a PSU bias.
The number of PSU posters that come on here and complain of an Iowa bias is truly baffling. It’s kind of like a democrat going to the RNC national convention and complaining that all the speeches were republican talking points. No shit Sherlock.
Hasn’t Spencer been battling injuries and/or illnesses his entire collegiate career, too?
Warner did not run him out of bounds. The bottom man was sprinting for the out of bounds. When Warner is dragging his toes trying to stay in the circle it is indisputable it was the other guy trying to leave. And I vehemently disagreed with the ref when he stalled Warner while Warner was dragging his toes. Unreal.
However, I do think Warner deserved a stall call at the very end for backing up and avoiding wrestling. But it never should have made it to that point. The other wrestler should have already reached disqualification for his incessant fleeing of the mat.
So much this. I think the whole college wrestling world would agree that that ref could just go away forever. He was atrocious.
Yep, a guy doesn't end up going from the middle to the edge like he was without taking himself there. It was obvious crawling off to get restarts.
i don’t like to make predications but here is an opinion. penn state fans are the most pompous and arrogant group of people i have ever encountered. must be a northeastern thing i guess.
I remember hanging out with some PSU fans in DSM nationals 2013 prior to finals (Dake v Taylor). They all were cool and not dickheadish. I think its just the select few twho take it upon themselves to get on a rival team's message board when things are going their way that really suck.
As for Missouri fans. I've never really thought about them.
Now now, don't lump us all together. While there are overly eccentric fans on our side, the same can be said for yours. The majority of the fan base from both teams and the wrestling community in general, greatly enjoy talking wrestling regardless of the shirt you are wearing. I visit here frequently, post here hardly. I seen a post maybe a page or two back about it being someones first time in Carver and they needed to know where to park and eat. One poster replied and told him to spark up conversation with some fans, and that most would love to have that conversation. It is no different in Happy Valley.
I respect the hell out of Iowa wrestling in its entirety. The tradition of the Hawks speaks for itself. Brands and Co are great coaches and they have formed quite a team year in and year out in their tenure. Since most of the guys on your team are from PA (not a dig), I have seen them wrestle since they were in the jr programs. I have had numerous conversations with Kem, Spencer, Murin, and Young. Watched DeSanto in person wrestle Spencer both times.
I look forward to the upcoming match, as I'm sure the entire wrestling community is. All eyes will be on this one and it is absolutely fantastic for our sport. I wish we could have got this one on ESPN. The build up writes itself, and I'm sure would draw outside attention.
Hopefully everyone can keep it civil on both boards. I for one don't mind Iowa posters over on our board. The majority of them do provide some alternative insights that blind bias. I certainly have never grouped everyone over here together. I know the over the top posters, and I know the guys that keep their emotions check.
Much respect for a well thought out post. I am thought of by many of the more crazed PSU posters as some kind of PSU hater. This actually isn't remotely true. I just love bothering those ridiculously over the top posters specifically. I can't stand anyone that is winning almost nonstop and will still complain if something is said that makes them sound less than 100% perfect.
The fact is I think PSU is the current Gold Standard for DI wrestling. It can't be denied. What Sanderson has done I never thought could be done again once Gable retired. Teams like tOSU and now Iowa will have their runs here and there, but I simply don't see how ANYONE can compete with what PSU has going on a regular basis. They just have too many things going for them. Recruiting, funding, coaching staff, RTC are all at the very top. tOSU can maybe keep up with them in recruiting, but not the others. Iowa can keep up with them on coaching staff(Terry Brands is as good of a room coach as there is), but not the others. Michigan is the only one close in RTC, but nowhere else. You would literally need to combine all 3 to truly compete every year with PSU.
So, with that said, I am heartbroken that Lee is out when this is probably Iowa's best chance to win it again for a while. Now, I still think Iowa has a chance to win the dual or even NCAA's, but they need a lot to go right, while PSU is trending upward. If I had to pick, I say PSU wins the dual something like 18-12 and NCAA's by about 10 points or so.
To balance out our top end recruiting draw, Iowa needs a bigger name to roll the 157 to 197 weights. Seeing Ruth on the Illinois sideline was a shocker. Morningstar has done great recruiting, but we normally shine in the light weights. J'Den would have been an ideal get.
Look at what they did after getting caught faking injuries on the football field. By far the worst fan base in the conference. Our fan base would be embarrassed and outraged if our players faked injuries. Penn State fans have a history of pretending like things that happened didn't actually happen. It's also funny Z comes on here to let us know psu fans want to talk wrestling. Where were they before Spencer got hurt? Or the last 2 years? Wake up ZZZZZ.
While obviously being a Penn State fan, I am a wrestling fan in general as well, as are most.
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sure all of us, across all boards, would sometimes like to distance ourselves from our own over the top posters. But it takes all kinds to make the world go round and if everyone thought and did like I do, it would be a pretty boring place.
You make a lot of good points with recruiting, coaching, and rtcs. tOSU has gone on a tear quite a few years on the recruiting trail. This last class may be their best yet. The problem is, I don't see a lot of high end recruits going to tOSU and developing for whatever reason. Guys like Hoffman and Hayes to only name a few were sought after recruits. I mean no disrespect to them but they didn't pan out like most of us thought they would, or at least could. Of course tOSU has had their fair share of guys who did pan out such as Snyder, Tomasello, and obviously Steiber to name a few.
Every team gets their fair share of recruits. OSU, tOSU, Michigan, PSU, Iowa, and I'll even throw in ASU are in my opinion the top tier of programs that seem to be getting the top guys year in and year out. Say what you want about Cael, but he gets his team's to peak at the right time, and that has been the difference maker over the past several seasons, and could be the difference this year as well.
From what I seen this weekend in the wrestling world, it is a two team race. And those two teams take the mat this Friday night going H2H 10 times. It will be a great environment, display of talent, and marketing for our sport. I just hope that us as fans can control our emotions over something that really doesn't have an impact on our lives. No matter the result Friday night, or in March, I'll still be at work Monday morning. No need for the retirees to throw their $ .02 and rub it in. I get it, you get to wake up and do whatever you want.
Message Boards in general bring out the idiots of our base.
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I'm awake.
Its human nature @acuhawk . See a weakness, point out a weakness, exploit a weakness.......we have a weakness. Our best wrestler isn't wrestling. I don't know why this surprises you or anyone else.
expect it and accept what you have no control over. You can't fix his ACL's and neither can I. If PSU fans want to point out the obvious, so be it.
Z
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Let’s not forget many on this board declared Caffey as their all time, non-Hawkeye favorite, during Big Tens last year.
HR: You are now enter Cam Caffey Nation (Except against the Hawks).
What part of your post backs up you saying they are here to talk wrestling? Also, you didn't explain why they were absent the last 2 years if they really want to talk wrestling. I'm not trying to control anything. This site is pure entertainment for me. I will give you a D- with a chance to pull it up with some extra credit. Like a good secret walleye spot or something.
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well, they are talking about wrestling, just not discussing what Iowa fans want to discuss.
The last two years they haven't been as good for them, not much to toot their own horns about. No reason to come, but, things are a bit different now.
I didn't say you were trying to control anything, I said accept what you can't control, grasshopper.
I don't fish for walleye, but I know some boys that do, and are good at it. What spot on the river you want?
Z
They talk very little about wrestling IMO. Although I do my fair share of fishing on here, I'll hit you up when the grandkids are a little older for those hot spots. Would prefer bass in a secluded farm pond over walleye. Walleye taste better, but aren't as easy to catch. I assumed you were a walleye guy.
Nope, totally bass hound.
Will be at OH IVIE the week of 2/14 with a couple Iowa buddies coming down. I tournament fish and have for nearly 20 years now. Spent the COVID year fishing as a co-angler on the BASS Central Opens. Was a fun experience. If I ever did it again, I would probably come back with my own boat.
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