So, I heard the entire team is kneeling during the national anthem
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Now there's an open-minded tolerant way of looking at things...
Why do people feel like they have the right to speak for all veterans in generalizations? And who are you to tell me what is disrespectful? As a veteran, it is frustrating. Again, the issue is the divisive nature of the action. They thankfully have the right to do it. The real question is if it is having the desired affect. If your goal is to continue to divide then I would agree
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I will fully support whatever they decide to do!
Isn't kneeling an example of the exact thing we fight for as a country? I'm proud that my favorite team is taking the opportunity.
It is. So is being able to disagree with it. This seems to be really hard for some.
As I read through this thread I am reminded of the Bible's shortest verse. The only one I have memorized. "Jesus wept."
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Agree. My dad and brothers are military veterans and they are 100% behind players having the right to kneel during the anthem. The people outraged by this are just clueless.
They have every right to peaceful protest. Its in our constitution.
But why during our national anthem? It has been made clear over the last couple of years that it clearly creates a further divide. So why do it. Why not do something that unites everyone? Something like Fran suggested. Why create more anger, especially among those very fans that support your team.
I'm not sure any of you can answer these questions intelligently. You seem to just want to further the divide.
How about a thoughtful answer to my legitimate, not trying to fuel the fire questions? I really want to know why.
But why during our national anthem? It has been made clear over the last couple of years that it clearly creates a further divide. So why do it. Why not do something that unites everyone? Something like Fran suggested. Why create more anger, especially among those very fans that support your team.
I'm not sure any of you can answer these questions intelligently. You seem to just want to further the divide.
How about a thoughtful answer to my legitimate, not trying to fuel the fire questions? I really want to know why.
So the veterans who think it is disrespectful are just stupid, got it. Thankfully you are here to set us idiots straight.
Same program that fired Doyle but kept Brian and Seth...imho they should not have fired Doyle
And those veterans who think it is disrespectful are less American, goose stepping Nazis, according to @Menace Sockeyes
I know I shouldn't even respond...but for the sake of people who try to be objective about this kind of thing:
The comment "my sports".......how can a fan believe that they have some ownership or complete ownership of a sport, than the athlete actually playing it? That's the definition of something.....I will leave the answer to that open.
I can honestly say that I don't like it either....not a fan of that type of protest and I think that it is off base....but that said, this is the right of those players just as it is your right to have a different opinion. It is a right, guaranteed under the constitution. Don't watch if you don't like it. You've voiced your opinion (which appears to say your dislikes are more important than their rights) and in doing so, you give their protest more notice....more power, a continuation of making people aware of the message that they want to relate.
As for me, I can't wait for the season to start. I am so glad to have Hawkeye football and basketball!
Not all vets agree with it.. not me, my brother, my dad, my uncle's... I only keep in touch with a few that I served with and they don't either. If they do that is completely fine but I'm not going to toe the line with some crap I don't believe in. I would be more happy with the players making their own decisions, forcing young men to unify their opinion on something they may not believe in is a bigger issue now.
I won't watch until they stand and that's just my opinion. I guess I'll STAND up for what I believe in.
I won't watch until they stand and that's just my opinion. I guess I'll STAND up for what I believe in.
They and myself fought for freedoms and one of those freedoms is to protest.
The Iowa team hasn't even done anything yet, and this thread on the topic sort-of shows that the issues (whether on target or in the vicinity) are not being swept under the rug, away, conveniently out of sight. So, right or wrong, just the idea of it: apparently it's working.
Applaud the team to be together as a team if that is what they choose. Hawkeye football only a week away!
Applaud the team to be together as a team if that is what they choose. Hawkeye football only a week away!
I don’t think protesting is meant to make people feel comfortable. But the national anthem and what’s associated with it is no small thing. Feel free to protest but also be prepared to take criticism
Horrible take. Most true patriots and military that I know, understand the reason they fought was for the freedom to do exactly this sort of thing. If you want fascism and be told how to think, keep going down the Trump rabbit hole.
The hypocrisy of the “don’t kneel” crowd is astounding, as they tend to be the same people who whine about their personal freedom taken away when it comes to gun rights or having to wear a mask. Yet, they have no problem telling people they can’t kneel or what to do with their bodies or what religion is they should follow.
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Ever heard of the First Amendment? Ever heard of the right to peaceful protest? Those who fought for this country, including my dad, fought for freedom. And that includes the freedom to protest injustice wherever it exists. If Iowa kneels for the National Anthem, speaking as a native Iowan, a former D-1 athlete, and an American, I will be proud of the Hawkeyes. If it were up to me, I think the best thing Iowa could do is let every individual player decide whether to kneel or not. That's freedom in action. And it may be that the Hawkeyes have done exactly that, and every player decided to kneel.
In any event, IMHO, no one should stand for the National Anthem until this country is rid of the criminal sociopath who sneaked into the back door of the White House. I've been embarrassed to be an American for almost four years now. I do not fly the flag or do anything to support a racist, violent, dictatorship. And until systemic racism is acknowledged and dealt with, I will never stand for the National Anthem. As for next Saturday, my only regret is that I won't be at the game to kneel for the anthem myself. But you can be sure I'll be kneeling in my living room.
That, my friend, is the freedom people died for to establish this country, and it's what people have died for ever since.
This fraud of a president has called the men and women who died defending this country "losers" and "suckers." That's exactly what he thinks of you as well. And if you haven't figured that out by now, well, shame on you.
As the civil rights leaders said way back in the 1960s, sometimes you have to sit or kneel to stand up for what's right. Sadly, about 60 years later, that's still true.
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This whole response is hypocritical.. obviously not most vets agree. There will be many on that team that do not agree to kneeling but will have to because of the radical left demonizing their thought process. That is falling in line and fascism.
Two can play this game... How about we just agree that people can have different opinions
Hmmmm. There goes all the MAGA hats. Unbelievably contradictory. Constantly bitching about this while supporting a guy who has disrespected the military at every turn. It’s a crazy world.
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Spoken like a true Trump cult member. The KKK, QAnon, the Proud Boys, and the rest of the racists and white supremacists are "just people who have a different opinion." Sure. I guess the Nazis and history's other facsists
and dictators just had different opinions too.You people would be hilarious if your mindlessness weren't so hypocritical, ignorant, and dangerous.
If you ever went to school, you sure as hell never learned a damn thing worth learning.
I once had an English teacher who told us he didn't care if we knew much about Shakespeare or sentence structure as long as we were "nice" people who had empathy. "We have enough smart people," he said. "What we need are nice people because nice people show respect and treat others the way they want to be treated."
And others have said everything we need to know we learn in kindergarten: share, be nice, clean up your own mess, take responsibility, tell the truth.
"Different opinions." LOL
This is the correct response. Just play the game.
What do you think of the "entire team kneels or doesn't"?
Do you think it's complete horseshit players will be forced to crap on the anthem even if they don't want to? I think it is disgusting...
I sure hope it doesn't happen, sickening!!
Are you mentioning anti kneelers and nazis at the same time?
Lmfao wow.....
Let me guess, any player that doesn't want to kneel has a swastika tat, right? Wtf lol
Lol, he has more money in his pocket than you make in a year. His family loves him. You need help
Please cite examples of disrespecting the military, and don’t use ‘unnamed sources’ as evidence.
We have a president who has run 2 campaigns and an entire administration on dividing the country but yeah, let's scapegoat some kids. Division is just fine as long as it involves trolling libs I guess. I have no interest in unity with douchebags who are triggered by kneeling, hopefully they stay away from Iowa City
I support and defended our Hawkeye Football team. You responded with a verbose, foaming-at-the mouth, ad hominem attack on me. That’s telling on who wins on the substance of the ideas.
I would be willing to bet some of the most “outraged” people aren’t even vets. Similarly to the whole Washington Redskins fiasco. The most vocal contingent consisted of non-Native Americans. Lot of people enjoy being offended
I don't think the issue is the right to protest, but the time and place of protests. Look at the NBA and NFL. All time lows in viewership and advertising. If it keeps up, it will effect the players paycheck. If I did a protest at work, I'd be asked to take my protest to the unemployment line.
What actions has the current administration taken to further divide the country? Not words, actions.
Oh so you do care??
Just kidding, I'm just a sarcastic technical asshole, don't make too much out of this reply lol
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