I bet Ed Orgeron feels so dumb after his National Championship last night because he had to do it with 8 guys from Alabama on the roster...
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Whether it's countries or states, borders aren't important to me. People are basically the same everywhere, whether they live 5 miles, 500 miles, or 5000 miles away from me. The us vs. them mentality is toxic, in regards to where someone is from.
Edit: I've never really understood what it means to "troll", but this topic is clearly trolling!! Therefore, the OP has zero credibility.
it's not as bad as a lot of people play it to be. As recently as 2018 there were two world freestyle team members from Iowa - Gilman and Colon. We've had six Iowa preps win national titles in the last 10 years - Drew foster, Cory Clark, Kyven Gadson, St. John, McDonough (x 2), and Borschel. And, Gilman, Sorensen, Marion (x 2), and Andrew Long were finalists.
For a state our size, we are still very good.
Niche sport or not, it's a global sport and you go where you have to to get the best. Local talent and talent coming from in-state is a good topic, and it might make things easier for recruiting for sure, but in the end, imo, I don't care where a guy comes from if he's good and a fit for the program and he comes to Iowa, he a Hawk.
If you list the greatest Hawkeye wrestler of all time, in your opinion, chances are he's from out of state (Lincoln, Banach, Williams, Metcalf) It could be that your fav is Brands or McD or CC, so it's always been a good balance. But out of state is nothing new, especially when the state population is as small as Iowa. And while psu has had a lot of great talent from instate, their most valuable asset, karl is not from PA. Neither is DT or Kerry McCoy or Bo Nikal.
you got a problem with randy lewis, barry davis and jim zalesky
Me too. We haven't had a black starter since Montell Marion. We've had a few Latinos though.
In October 1986 I spent 3 weeks in Russia. Some of the nicest, most sincere people I have ever met.
They only had 3 TV stations in Moscow at that time and they were all Govt. propoganda so no one watched them.
Instead they spent time with each other and developed social skills and learned how to be good friends and support each other.
People everywhere can be magnifcient. Their Govts........not so much.
Oliver did have four losses as a freshman in high school, but he was a tiny 103. I think he weighed in the 80s and wrestled 103 as a freshman and still finished 2nd in AAA in PA.
My bad, I thought you were referring to Randy, Barry, and Jimmy as being from Iowa as opposed to out of state from Neo's post
Over half of the 280 HS wrestlers ranked by Intermat (as of Jan. 8) are from five states: Pennsylvania (51), New Jersey (31), California (29), Ohio (25), and Illinois (17). Any competitive program is likely going to have wrestlers from these states on its roster.
There are a few good PSU posters who are mature intelligent posters who love their University and the sport.
Unfortunately they are greatly over shadowed by the unbelievable amount of insecure trolls who constantly read HR looking for the slightest offense.
There is no person on HR who doesnt realize Pennsylvania has 4x the amount of talent as Iowa does in its youth programs. But Pennsylvania coincidentally also has 4x the population and they fail to see the correlation between the two.
Unfortunately they are greatly over shadowed by the unbelievable amount of insecure trolls who constantly read HR looking for the slightest offense.
There is no person on HR who doesnt realize Pennsylvania has 4x the amount of talent as Iowa does in its youth programs. But Pennsylvania coincidentally also has 4x the population and they fail to see the correlation between the two.
Fellas, fellas, they were very good...amazing even. I know these things about them too (minus JO weighing 80 lbs). I’m saying they were not Spencer or Kolat good in high school. You see, guys from the eastern part and central part of Pa have a problem with the cream of the crop being from my little neck of the woods. They will fight it until they’re blue in the face and mention chance as their comparison to Kolat or Spencer. To me, it’s laughable but maybe I’m biased and a little crazy. But I saw him live and didn’t see what I saw with the other two mentioned. Not even close. Zain might be the greatest at 149 of all time in college and he was better than chance in high school. He was phenomenal but for comparison purposes, missing a year in high school matters a little. I know he was made fun of and transferred and all of that. And JO was amazing in high school too. I don’t think it’s a slight to say they weren’t as good as lee and Kolat but who was (from pa)? I should’ve just made a burner account and argued this over on that other site but this pest is over here...
All I read was blah blah blah I don’t want to bet. Did I get that right?
You're an idiot. Quit trying to fool Hawkeye fans by making it sound as if you are in the "hub" of PA wrestling because you are not.First of all...your neck of the woods? You keep bringing up Spencer and Kolat yet neither of them were near your neck of the woods...1 1/2 drive for you. Maybe 2 to Jefferson Morgan? As for your neck of the woods (Somerset,Cambria and Bedford counties) rarely do you get big time college coaches like Brands or Cael at our schools recruiting kids. Its better than it used to be but we are still lucky to see a kid a year go to a top program. And top 10 kids in their weight are few and far between.
As for your bet, I dont gamble but even if I did I"d make sure odds are in my favor. Unlike you I use my head. And yes...right now the odds would not be in my favor.
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Sometimes it's not so easy being an Iowa fan, so many all time greats to list and a memory like Swiss cheese.
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Btw, if I don't get to you tonight, I'll hit you up first thing in the morning.
I am. Stepped away for a minute or two from teaching complete idiots all day on how to quote people in forums but I'm back at it now.
Btw, if I don't get to you tonight, I'll hit you up first thing in the morning.
How cute of you to go all the way back in my messages and find that I went to trinity high school...except I went to trinity high school in Washington, pa. Not the other one, dickless. You’re the idiot. Why would I talk about southwestern pa and my kids who went to young guns if I lived out there? I’ve love all over western pa for work over the years but I grew up in Washington which is nowhere near 1.5-2 hrs away you ignorant SOB. It’s right in the “hub”. And I figured you’d say something about not wanting to bet. See, it’s you who doesn’t live here. I know that much or you’d actually know what you’re talking about. Anything else?
Wtf. I'm about done arguing with you. Who said I knew you went to Trinity. Where in my post did I mention that. And the other Trinity I believe is way out in D3 near York or Harrisburg maybe. Clearly not SwPa. The one where Ryan Deihl transferred to from West Virginia. So yeah....if you are indeed in SW Pa an idiot would know you are not from that one. As for Wahington Pa I was there just yesterday for work. I didnt drive there directly but maybe 2 hours drive from Jtown? Yep.....I do live in SW Pa. A little misunderstanding though, you made it sound as if you are from my part of SW Pa after saying you'd meet me so some of my comments do reflect that. Matter of fact, I can just about look out my Window and see the UPJ campus where Jody coaches. An area that really isnt considered that strong for hs wrestling.
The bottom line in all this anyway is that western pa wrestling is not anymore tougher than many other parts. History proves that. The hs rankings this year prove it. Brackets throughout history proves it. Of course the Pittsburgh area is tough. Popolulation alone gaurantees that. Everyone knows this but theres tough wrestling throughout entire state.
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