This is the kind of take I disagree with. If I found out that Iowa football had been covering up a pedophile, I'd be beyond angry and disgusted. Part of the reason I'd be angry is that a few people's actions had tarnished an institution and program with a legacy that's existed for many years. PSU as an institution existed long before Sandusky. Those at the school who covered it up, and the fans who still support them, are disgusting, but there's no reason to quit being a fan of your school over it. Doing that allows Sandusky to define your whole institution's history.
State College Booing Spencer pre-match showed a total lack of class!
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Okay, I’ll provide the credit for this. This is from a George Carlin routine from the seventies.
Character was weatherman Al Sleet, the hippy dippy weatherman. “Tonight dark. Scattered light toward morning.”
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Wtf is this thread about now? I’ve lost track.
We should have a dumpster fire thread pinned, where all atrocities like this get lumped together. We can call that thread the cesspool manifesto. Eventually a documentary will be made about crazy wrestling fans and this “hypothetical thread” will represent their burden of proof.
We should have a dumpster fire thread pinned, where all atrocities like this get lumped together. We can call that thread the cesspool manifesto. Eventually a documentary will be made about crazy wrestling fans and this “hypothetical thread” will represent their burden of proof.
Coach, I believe that you just had one of the the most "liked" of any post that I've ever seen on this board.
Willie, I wish they had a spotlight on you at Carver to help us aim the little ends of our Carver Cones. That enough like Philly for you?
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Another cowardly troll from the F*** State. Just like the boos, that's who you guys are. Everyone knows it.
Or he legit did that so he could become an Olympic medalist and a World Champ, using training at the best OTC….
Wonder who Dake and Snyder were running away from?
Are you really trying to compare Thomas Gilman to Kyle Dake and Kyle Snyder?
Who was Kemmerer scared of? When there is a pattern of athletes choosing to leave one training environment for better opportunities, maybe the problem is not with the athlete?
Tiny paychecks. Everyone runs away from tiny paychecks. Dake literally took out the best in the world on his own…didn’t and doesn’t need anything except maybe one thing? Hmmmmmmm
With whom do you place 4x World and Olympic medalist Gilman? Who are his USA Wrestling peers in your opinion?
Deaf or a liar or both? I was there too. There were cheers, boos and laughter. Spencer was heckled out of there. I know it’s convenient to say it’s not true but it is. I’m a pa high school wrestling fan. Always have been but he was sent out of Pennsylvania with a sour taste in his mouth. Are you calling him a liar? He said he heard people booing. I heard a lot worse. Everyone in there wanted him to lose because he snubbed psu and went to the rival. Don’t try to say otherwise. I live here and have had arguments with scorned psu fans over it. Every single person who followed wrestling was dead convinced he was going to penn state and when he didn’t…those same people hated him and then roasted him at states. These are facts.
I always wonder if Spencer would have had the same, less, or more success had he chosen PSU. It seems pretty clear in hindsight that he never wanted to be a big fish in a big pond, which is ultimately why he chose Iowa over PSU. Being “just another multiple time NCAA champ” among many didn’t seem to interest him. He wanted to be The Man.
(Unplanting my tongue in my cheek, I can see the draw for wanting to train under TnT as a light weight)
(Unplanting my tongue in my cheek, I can see the draw for wanting to train under TnT as a light weight)
I’m from Pennsylvania and I don’t hate him. Hate is a powerful word.
Stop. You know damn well that TG is not and has never been on Dake or Snyder’s level. If you do think that, you don’t understand wrestling.
Trouble is your history isn't mine. It's like Michigan or ND trying to claim they're the mecca of college football. Hell, the Ivy League was the dominant football conference way back in the day and the Service academies were actually national powers.
Outside of those fan bases few actually care and as time goes on that amount will grow smaller and current trends monopolize the conversation. Talk to a 25 year old kid about that 1971 game between Nebraska and Oklahoma, or any other great game back then and if you don't put them asleep they might look it up. If they are fans of those schools.
If the trend continues with PSU winning NCAA team titles at app 75% or so they will be in the conversation soon enough for greatest ever but like most sports, historians will tend to focus on eras.
It's called moving the goalposts, Gilliam is quite the wrestler and a top performer on the world stage.
When did I ever say he wasn't? He's just not on the level as Dake, Snyder, or Taylor.
Using that logic, Mark Branch and David Taylor were on the same level in college (2x champs, 4x finalist), but we all know that isn't true.
You are right and wrong.
Yes there were boos at States and boos at the last dual. Yes Spencer heard them and hated it.
You are wrong about everyone in PA thinking he was coming to PSU. My crew hoped he was coming to PSU, but we all begrudgingly agreed that he was most likely going to Iowa.
We do have one guy, out of about 20 of us, that is still pissed at Lee. The rest of us respect the heck out of the kid.
I’m just asking who you place him with among the rest of the USA Wrestling team.
Currently? Not sure. Maybe J'den, but even he was at one time a top P4P wrestler in the world. Gilman has never been in that conversation.
I'd say TG is second-tier on the current team. Not on the level as the wrestlers I've already mentioned but a level above guys like Zain, Oliver, Gross, etc.
I was there. All I heard was cheering for the underdog. Get a grip. Spencer isn't king of PIAA. All his crying for years probably made people who never booed boo him 2 weeks ago. Cry me a river.
Another thing . I really doubt many people at giant center that year even knew Spencer was heading to Iowa. It's a made up cry baby story. It never happened. Just like the booing you guys are crying about now.
I think that’s the issue. He’s either by himself or with that upper-echelon. As you point out, clearly above the others. I have no issue saying he’s in his own tier. Just was curious where you’d put him.
Thank goodness you joined and could set us straight.
Is there an algorithm that notifies pa people that something less than flattering is being posted about them?
A faux outrage thread that rallies the troops to go defend all that is pa?
At what point did you begrudgingly agree he was going to Iowa? 9/10 (at least) were set on penn state. I don’t want to pull up the early discussions on this on bwi but it wasn’t until he said who it was down to and people consideredwho he was trained by that people even though of Iowa. And even then, most still thought there was no way he was going to Iowa. As a matter of fact, he said he picked up the phone to call Carl and commit. So….yeah, nobody knew. I knew there was a chance he was going to Iowa but if I’m honest, I thought it was going to be psu. Glad he didn’t go there. And psu fans are going to downplay the treatment he received his senior year. It was the worst I’ve ever seen. It’s a big reason I cheered him on through college. I was strictly a high school (pa) follower prior. It is what it is but most thought psu and he was treated like a bum in that last match.
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