I am convinced that if we don't get to the Sweet 16 in one of the next two seasons then Fran might not ever get us there. Maybe I am overreacting, maybe I am wrong. Let me know.
Sweet 16 or Bust in Next Two Years?
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Recruiting hasnt plateaued so to think two years from now would for some reason be an apex wouldnt really make sense.
In fact all logic would point to Frans best team occurring right after your randomly selected deadline.
In fact all logic would point to Frans best team occurring right after your randomly selected deadline.
F Sweet 16, lets win this thing!
Sorry, driving the bus and all.
Sedge.
Sorry, driving the bus and all.
Sedge.
Not sure that overreacting is the word I would use... This will only be the beginning of our numerous Sweet 16 runs. We will be there in 2 years, and we will return for a few more in the years to come...
I'll even predict that in the Joe W years we play in two Sweet 16s during his career... Now That may be overreacting. But I believe it.
I'll even predict that in the Joe W years we play in two Sweet 16s during his career... Now That may be overreacting. But I believe it.
Well.....considering we have two probable top 50 recruits coming in the next 2 years....you might need to reevaluate the bolded part of your post as it's.....overreacting.
so....if we win the B1G in the next 2 years that doesnt count?
oh well maybe it doesnt....Indiana 2016 B1G Champions did fire the coach in 2017...would that happen at Iowa?
oh well maybe it doesnt....Indiana 2016 B1G Champions did fire the coach in 2017...would that happen at Iowa?
No, you just need to evaluate the situation logically.
Recruiting is incrementally improving.
If improvement does not follow with it, then theres a problem. Untill that happens theres nothing to realistically complain about.
IMO...the only team that may currently have or does have better roster talent than Iowa is MSU. The talent has been recruited...so yes we should see better results. You also could be a top team in the B1G and still get knocked off in the 2nd round of the NCAA...plenty of other B1G schools know all about that.
....same token....we have the talent to have a special season & seasons' to come. We are in the best shape we have been in for nearly 30 years.
And that is why I support Fran 100%.
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I think if Iowa doesn't reach the Sweet 16 in the next two years I'll be disappointed. But to say it will never happen after that is not how I would put it.
It will happen again at some point. It's only been 20 years and even then we weren't expecting it.
I think that it's not unreasonable to say that a run to the Sweet 16 is possible this year (and certainly next year). That said, I would shy away from "expecting" it. Once you get in the tournament, anything can happen, both positive and negative. I think it's important to evaluate the season as a whole (as well as the team's trajectory) and not just what round they ultimately reached or didn't reach in the tournament.
Cook really has to expand his game to get to the next level IMO. He would be an undersized 4 in the NBA, so he is going to need to have a mid range game or something else he didn't show us last season.
The kid is a hell of a college player right now but it's two different leagues. I think he will be in the NBA someday but I am not sure he will be projected to be drafted high enough to leave before his jr year. Hell Biggie is looked at by many as a 2nd round guy. Now Cook is WAY more athletic than him IMO but Biggie had range and put up double doubles all over the place.
I'm dead serious when I say this...I would take Fran over any of the coaches Iowa has had since Olson.
Now, to the OP...
Yes, I think Iowa is in the Sweet 16 in the next two years.
No , I don't think missing it would be, or should be, a condition of his employment.
Also, I think Iowa is a serious Final Four contender in the next 3 years.
Now, to the OP...
Yes, I think Iowa is in the Sweet 16 in the next two years.
No , I don't think missing it would be, or should be, a condition of his employment.
Also, I think Iowa is a serious Final Four contender in the next 3 years.
I'm not trying to start something, this is JUST my opinion. But the original question sounds like a version of the old, "How much longer do we give Fran?"
Yes. All coaches should be evaluated yearly by the AD. We just saw two cases where longterm coaches in the Big Ten were removed from service. It happens. We also know there was a time when Painter felt his seat getting warm.
But with everything good going on right now, why would we be interested in creating scenarios of failure in some aspect of our future hopes? What is the point?
And, with all sincerity to those few who still want to discuss failure, I suggest dropping talk about how many years it's been since Sweet Sixteens or other benchmarks. You are only hurting your cause when you remind others of the results of our revolving door coaching. Really, want to take a chance we get another Lickliter?
Right here, right now, we're looking at three invites in the last four years. Great recruiting results. No losing Big Ten seasons in the last five years. A record in the Big Ten the last three years of 34-20! No hint of cheating, no academic problems, no mass transfers, no off the court issues.
My opinion/conclusion/suggestion is that this is no time to be sucking lemons on public forums. Do what ya want in private..but there's a party going on round here!
Yes. All coaches should be evaluated yearly by the AD. We just saw two cases where longterm coaches in the Big Ten were removed from service. It happens. We also know there was a time when Painter felt his seat getting warm.
But with everything good going on right now, why would we be interested in creating scenarios of failure in some aspect of our future hopes? What is the point?
And, with all sincerity to those few who still want to discuss failure, I suggest dropping talk about how many years it's been since Sweet Sixteens or other benchmarks. You are only hurting your cause when you remind others of the results of our revolving door coaching. Really, want to take a chance we get another Lickliter?
Right here, right now, we're looking at three invites in the last four years. Great recruiting results. No losing Big Ten seasons in the last five years. A record in the Big Ten the last three years of 34-20! No hint of cheating, no academic problems, no mass transfers, no off the court issues.
My opinion/conclusion/suggestion is that this is no time to be sucking lemons on public forums. Do what ya want in private..but there's a party going on round here!
If we don't make sweet 16 in next couple years, that probably indicates our current guys + Nunge/Garza did not play up to our fan expectations. Sweet16 or nothing ever under Fran is overstating the case, but certainly making NCAA tourney and at least winning a single game should be expected over next couple years at minimum.
As we all know the tournament is all about seeding, brackets and match ups. It's possible for sweet 16 run or deeper but if it doesn't happen I wouldn't call it a bust. I am more interested in seeing how we do in the Big Ten and how we improve year to year. We are trending up under Fran and believe we will continue to do so. I believe tournament runs are coming. Just can't predict it has to happen in next 2 years or all is lost!
Go extol the virtues of the Fighting Illini on your own board.
IL always has talent. Often they don't use it well or they don't want to play with each other. Generally their results don't measure up to their talent.
We are excited about our guys and our coach. We like our effort, our youth, and what we see is a program on the rise.
I can understand how that irks the IL fans, but I hope the rest of your day goes better for you.
We are excited about our guys and our coach. We like our effort, our youth, and what we see is a program on the rise.
I can understand how that irks the IL fans, but I hope the rest of your day goes better for you.
I'm not irked. It's good to be excited. Probably better to be excited while also having an idea of what the rest of the league looks like but ... fans will be fans.
No question that Iowa is a team on the rise. The question is the ceiling. I honestly think Iowa has a decent chance to win a league title by 2019 (which would make it an even 40 years since your last one).
I mean no harm... just get a kick out of Dan53.
Danny, maybe watch some games Iowa doesn't play in. Perspective is your friend.
No question that Iowa is a team on the rise. The question is the ceiling. I honestly think Iowa has a decent chance to win a league title by 2019 (which would make it an even 40 years since your last one).
I mean no harm... just get a kick out of Dan53.
Danny, maybe watch some games Iowa doesn't play in. Perspective is your friend.
I've watched a lot of college football and basketball over the years. Have seen many teams and conferences. It's been well over a decade since I had any thought of it being worthwhile to watch Illinois in either sport.
Now you and "Danny" have perspective as a mutual friend.
Iowa under Fran has been sort of like the stock market. There have been minor corrections, but overall the trend is in the positive direction.
A sweet sixteen COULD happen in 2019 or 2020. Too much to say it's that or bust for Fran. If they make the NCAA tourney more often than not, and continue to play an uptempo style of ball, that will keep my interest.
A sweet sixteen COULD happen in 2019 or 2020. Too much to say it's that or bust for Fran. If they make the NCAA tourney more often than not, and continue to play an uptempo style of ball, that will keep my interest.
Dan that's a great post....very well said. Maybe one of your best, and that is saying something.
That is a complete __________ of a post. What is your problem with what he said? He stated facts about the Hawks recent success and never breathed a hint about Illinois.
Wow.....I've never been to the Illinois board, have Iowa fans been there slamming your team?
The gentleman is just doing what he did when Groce was hired. He feels so confident now that he is back to trolling an Iowa board. And if a former recruiter for Calipari at Memphis and Kentucky, and the former coach of AAU MacIrvin Fire, have anything to pay about it (both now assistants at Illinois)..than Illinois will probably have talent very soon.
@Danny: "Illinois will probably have talent very soon."
They have talent now. As does Maryland, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan...Purdue...Indiana...hell, ... Nortwestern... Penn State...
... not to mention teams like Arizona, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, Baylor, North Carolina, Miami, Oregon, Villanova, Virginia, Gonzaga...Florida...West Virginia...hell, ...witchita state...Nevada...Wake Forest...
... but why should you be bothered by any of that when clearly one of the top 16 college teams in the nation is playing in the PTL right now?
Sorry, snowflake. Reality is not "trolling."
They have talent now. As does Maryland, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan...Purdue...Indiana...hell, ... Nortwestern... Penn State...
... not to mention teams like Arizona, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, Baylor, North Carolina, Miami, Oregon, Villanova, Virginia, Gonzaga...Florida...West Virginia...hell, ...witchita state...Nevada...Wake Forest...
... but why should you be bothered by any of that when clearly one of the top 16 college teams in the nation is playing in the PTL right now?
Sorry, snowflake. Reality is not "trolling."
If that's true, based on what you've seen of all those other teams and conferences, do you think Iowa is a sweet sixteen team this year?
this is one of the very few Rival sites that allows other school posters to call Hawkeye fans "snowflake" on a Hawkeye site no less. ...on a thread about Iowa.
The guy isnt even a paying subscriber. You are a troll when you post on another school site and start out with
Iowa has a very good chance of winning four consecutive national championships. You have far and away the best talent in the nation and Fran McCaffery is a living legend.
adds nothing to the conversation yet calls out one poster in particular.
I've never posted on another schools' site ... and yes this guy is complete bull shit.
SirIllini....the Hawks could be a sweet sixteen team. Regarding the Illini, since Lon Kruger left, the Illini have wasted more talent than any other program in the country. U better hope you again got a guy that can actually coach and make the Ilini the powerhouse they have always had the talent to be. It has never been about recruiting at Illinois (legal or illegal).
This maybe a little over your head but I'll try and explain it as simple as I can why this thread is showing lot of optimism for the 18-19' season. Iowa last year minus Jok relied heavily on freshman and sophomores. Only senior next year is Uhl who is a bench player. So in 2 years Iowa will be one of the more experienced teams in the league and maybe even country. 2 guys last year were 1st team all big 10 freshman team (Cook & Bohannon) plus Baer who is a soph was 6th man of the year. Plus Fran has done a good job of recruiting with 2 incoming guys rated top 150 and kid who will be a HS senior and freshman on following years squad is a top 50 player in the nation.
As for schools mentioned who knows how some will be since they lose guys early to NBA and no clue on depth of them. But do know some teams in Big 10 like N'Western , Purdue & Minnesota next year will have some good seniors who won't be there in 2 years. But reasons above stated show optimism which I'm sure most fan bases would have if they were in our shoes. As for your last line not one person said Iowa will be a top 16 team next year yet you skew words around as if people were implying, no that's not reality that truly is trolling when one does that. Point and case your first post in this thread screams out troll or you are a complete ahole when not even one comment here about your beloved Illini let alone negative comments about them.
So again god forbid Iowa fans on an Iowa board are very optimistic for our bball team in 2 years. I'm sure no Illini fan posted a bunch of optimistic stuff after you guys hired Underwood.....I mean why would any fan do that?
Just to be clear, Dany Boy didn't make any predictions of Iowa advancing into the round of sixteen on any given year.
What I posted about is this is no time to be negative when so much has gone right for Iowa. And I'll let my past posts stand for themselves as to whether I watch, or read about (all too much time spent on) other teams in the Big Ten.
And, Sir Illini, I'm sure you are very secure in your talent. Enjoy it, you idiot. You finished 20-15 overall and 8-10 in the Big Ten. Gone are :
Malcolm Hill: 33.3 mpg
Maverick Morgan: 25.6 mpg
Tracy Abrams : 24.2 mpg
Jalen Coleman-Lands: 24.3 mpg
Mike Thorne Jr.: 13.8 mpg
Jalon Tate: 15.7 mpg
D.J. Williams: 8.8 mpg
Would you like to know what that leaves you?
Black, Finke, Nichols, Lucas, Jordan.. deep bench subs, and FIVE frosh. None of your top five returning players managed to stay healthy and play every game by the way.
I could continue to educate you about injured frosh, 2 star frosh, etc. But no need. We will see you soon.
At least, we will see your team. We won't be hearing from you once Illinois stats being mangled by the upper half teams in the Big Ten. You'll disappear again, just like you've done before.
What I posted about is this is no time to be negative when so much has gone right for Iowa. And I'll let my past posts stand for themselves as to whether I watch, or read about (all too much time spent on) other teams in the Big Ten.
And, Sir Illini, I'm sure you are very secure in your talent. Enjoy it, you idiot. You finished 20-15 overall and 8-10 in the Big Ten. Gone are :
Malcolm Hill: 33.3 mpg
Maverick Morgan: 25.6 mpg
Tracy Abrams : 24.2 mpg
Jalen Coleman-Lands: 24.3 mpg
Mike Thorne Jr.: 13.8 mpg
Jalon Tate: 15.7 mpg
D.J. Williams: 8.8 mpg
Would you like to know what that leaves you?
Black, Finke, Nichols, Lucas, Jordan.. deep bench subs, and FIVE frosh. None of your top five returning players managed to stay healthy and play every game by the way.
I could continue to educate you about injured frosh, 2 star frosh, etc. But no need. We will see you soon.
At least, we will see your team. We won't be hearing from you once Illinois stats being mangled by the upper half teams in the Big Ten. You'll disappear again, just like you've done before.Again, I have no problem with optimism. It's what makes life fun.... but Danny KNOWS that Iowa will win at least 40 B1G games over the next 3 years. I've read exactly that here.
He couldn't tell you who plays for any other team in the league but he knows that Iowa will average from 1st to 3d in the league every year for the next 3 years.
If you challenge the reasonableness of this assertion in any way, you are a troll.
After 7 years in the job, Fran is .500 in the league but it's time to party like it's 1987 in IC!
Got it. The rest of us will be watching in awe.
I hope Iowa does make the sweet sixteen in the next two years. It will be your first of this century. It's time.
He couldn't tell you who plays for any other team in the league but he knows that Iowa will average from 1st to 3d in the league every year for the next 3 years.
If you challenge the reasonableness of this assertion in any way, you are a troll.
After 7 years in the job, Fran is .500 in the league but it's time to party like it's 1987 in IC!
Got it. The rest of us will be watching in awe.
I hope Iowa does make the sweet sixteen in the next two years. It will be your first of this century. It's time.
