Sweet 16 or Bust in Next Two Years?

[jwardelt]

UW isn't being talked about as a top 4 team this year, although history says that's foolish. You never explicitly stated you were referring to this year. Can Iowa achieve the success of a northwestern, Minnesota, or UW this year (I'm assuming you mean in relation to what those teams will achieve this year) then sure, I can see that. If you're talking recent success, then no, I don't believe it, at least how it pertains to UW. Minny and nerds have been more on a realistic Iowa level lately.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I don't think Iowa can reach the level of success UW has achieved. Multiple final fours, natty game appearance, multiple B1G titles, regular and tourney.

I don't think that is being naive. I think it's realistic.

you might be right...BUT...I dont know how old you are but here is a little story..
in 1982 or maybe it was 1983...a few of us drove to Madison for an Iowa BB game vs Wisc.

Man it was cold as hell .. like minus 25...really freaken cold. How cold was it?......it was so cold I swore we could see our breath inside that barn.

We won..with guys like Stokes, Payne, Carfino, Hansen...and there was an assistant coach on the Wisc bench named Bo.

anyway we stayed in Madison that night...went to a bar after the game...wearing our Iowa game stuff...Wisc people were great. They were definitely "jealous" of the success we had under Lute Olson. I remember telling them if you get that special coach....who could understand what it would take (and do it the right way) and get a 'new arena'..it could happen.

Wisconsin BB was basically shit in the 80's & mostly 90's...actually the 60's & 70's for that matter. So a guy named Bennett came along...you got lucky and fired his successor in time to hire 'the' guy. There is no question his record speaks for itself.

Never in my imagination did I think in 1982 that Wisconsin BB would have had the success you have had this century...BUT...here it is...dont think being a smug poster INSURES you of anything...and dont think things cant change. I made that mistake 35 years ago...what comes around can go around..

maybe its your turn ...

OH...I like Gard...very nice man...and he would be the first to tell you to wipe it off your face......nothing is a guarantee.

 

[RocknRollface]

If Wisconsin is average, I'd hate to see what Iowa is like.

Not a significant difference at this point.

You guys played above youre level when you fell into Kaminski becoming a great player.

Iowa is getting back to where it should be.

I dont think you'll find many Iowa fans that would trade our future for yours.

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't think Iowa can reach the level of success UW has achieved. Multiple final fours, natty game appearance, multiple B1G titles, regular and tourney.

I don't think that is being naive. I think it's realistic.

Our luck would have to fall into place perfectly just like it did for you.

Wed have to have a mid level recruit blossom into a college player of the year. That doesn't happen very often.

 

[Carlton]

No, I just wish people could be honest without needing to change the subject. Instead of addressing why I'm wrong this year, you hearken back to an unrelated time that I clearly wasn't referring to.

I would love to keep this enthralling conversation going, but I'm not particularly interested in what you have to say. It'll lead to a boring back and forth that everyone's probably heard already.

If you have something of merit to offer regarding personnel or scheme, please do. I'm up for good basketball talk. If not, you are free to banter with everyone else.

Good day, gentleman.

In fairness to JW, your post above {#66} isn't clearly referring to the upcoming 2017-18 season. It talks about mediocrity in basketball and immediately goes on to mention NW, MN and "whatever random group Wisconsin puts out". It is likely that NW and MN and Iowa will win more games in the conference this year than Wisconsin in a rebuilding year. But I, too, blanched at the mention of WI as part of the sea of mediocrity as unfair while I think MN and NW legitimately fall within that adjective. They may well make a move to break out this year while Bucky may falter this year, but that doesn't change recent history.
I don't speak for JW or any other Wisconsin fan for that matter, but I don't hear him or other WI fans claiming that this isn't going to be a very good year for Iowa basketball. It might be the start of a long run to the upper echelon of the B1G.
However, I would never be able to forecast that the Hawks could not surpass the records the Badgers have set since Bo became head coach in Madison. However, JW's remarks are pertinent in the sense that they point out that the bar is quite high and it will be difficult to duplicate (or maintain) that level of success in the conference in a comparable (16-17 years) time frame.
Every year in the B1G is exciting to me. Similar to the Hawks these past 2 years, I think Wisconsin has some excellent but inexperienced talent who will get valuable minutes this season to show what they have. Iowa certainly has the opportunity to finish in the top 4 of the conference. No reason not to be optimistic and enthusiastic about that.

 

[hawk-i bob]

In fairness to JW, your post above {#66} isn't clearly referring to the upcoming 2017-18 season. It talks about mediocrity in basketball and immediately goes on to mention NW, MN and "whatever random group Wisconsin puts out". It is likely that NW and MN and Iowa will win more games in the conference this year than Wisconsin in a rebuilding year. But I, too, blanched at the mention of WI as part of the sea of mediocrity as unfair while I think MN and NW legitimately fall within that adjective. They may well make a move to break out this year while Bucky may falter this year, but that doesn't change recent history.
I don't speak for JW or any other Wisconsin fan for that matter, but I don't hear him or other WI fans claiming that this isn't going to be a very good year for Iowa basketball. It might be the start of a long run to the upper echelon of the B1G.
However, I would never be able to forecast that the Hawks could not surpass the records the Badgers have set since Bo became head coach in Madison. However, JW's remarks are pertinent in the sense that they point out that the bar is quite high and it will be difficult to duplicate (or maintain) that level of success in the conference in a comparable (16-17 years) time frame.
Every year in the B1G is exciting to me. Similar to the Hawks these past 2 years, I think Wisconsin has some excellent but inexperienced talent who will get valuable minutes this season to show what they have. Iowa certainly has the opportunity to finish in the top 4 of the conference. No reason not to be optimistic and enthusiastic about that.

your boy wardelt & you are consistent & constant in telling us all about your success under B0..that is the only thing that is pertinent. We get it....you had a great run....it would be very difficult to duplicate it.

BUT if we did...I would find zero pleasure in telling you all about it on Wisky Rivals.

No you cant change recent history or your history period...course we dont talk much about all of your history...so let me help you...

From 1954 to 1995, the Badgers would only have eight winning seasons. They also only notched two winning records in Big Ten play, and only finished as high as fourth four times. In 1994, the Badgers returned to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1947....now I understand you have no interest in this part of your history...I can understand that..you were horrible for nearly 4 decades...

so when u come here & tell us all things BO...you probably will get told you are only a Steve Alford or Todd Lickliter away from disaster. U just never know.

 

[jwardelt]

you might be right...BUT...I dont know how old you are but here is a little story..
in 1982 or maybe it was 1983...a few of us drove to Madison for an Iowa BB game vs Wisc.

Man it was cold as hell .. like minus 25...really freaken cold. How cold was it?......it was so cold I swore we could see our breath inside that barn.

We won..with guys like Stokes, Payne, Carfino, Hansen...and there was an assistant coach on the Wisc bench named Bo.

anyway we stayed in Madison that night...went to a bar after the game...wearing our Iowa game stuff...Wisc people were great. They were definitely "jealous" of the success we had under Lute Olson. I remember telling them if you get that special coach....who could understand what it would take (and do it the right way) and get a 'new arena'..it could happen.

Wisconsin BB was basically shit in the 80's & mostly 90's...actually the 60's & 70's for that matter. So a guy named Bennett came along...you got lucky and fired his successor in time to hire 'the' guy. There is no question his record speaks for itself.

Never in my imagination did I think in 1982 that Wisconsin BB would have had the success you have had this century...BUT...here it is...dont think being a smug poster INSURES you of anything...and dont think things cant change. I made that mistake 35 years ago...what comes around can go around..

maybe its your turn ...

OH...I like Gard...very nice man...and he would be the first to tell you to wipe it off your face......nothing is a guarantee.

So in 2042 I should expect a final four from Iowa?

 

[jwardelt]

Our luck would have to fall into place perfectly just like it did for you.

Wed have to have a mid level recruit blossom into a college player of the year. That doesn't happen very often.

Did we luck into 6 of the last 7 Sweet 16's? There has been a few others on the recent teams other than Frank as well. Did we luck into all of them as well?

 

[jwardelt]

your boy wardelt & you are consistent & constant in telling us all about your success under B0..that is the only thing that is pertinent. We get it....you had a great run....it would be very difficult to duplicate it.

BUT if we did...I would find zero pleasure in telling you all about it on Wisky Rivals.

No you cant change recent history or your history period...course we dont talk much about all of your history...so let me help you...

From 1954 to 1995, the Badgers would only have eight winning seasons. They also only notched two winning records in Big Ten play, and only finished as high as fourth four times. In 1994, the Badgers returned to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1947....now I understand you have no interest in this part of your history...I can understand that..you were horrible for nearly 4 decades...

so when u come here & tell us all things BO...you probably will get told you are only a Steve Alford or Todd Lickliter away from disaster. U just never know.

I know Gard is >>>> Alford or Lick, so I think we're safe for awhile.

 

[perryhawk]

Our luck would have to fall into place perfectly just like it did for you.

Wed have to have a mid level recruit blossom into a college player of the year. That doesn't happen very often.

Did we luck into 6 of the last 7 Sweet 16's? There has been a few others on the recent teams other than Frank as well. Did we luck into all of them as well?

I don't mean this as bad as it sounds....it's meant more in an analytical way but: Winning is not in any schools DNA....the arrogance to assume that other programs won't do what Wisconsin has done is just that, arrogant. People in the B12 assumed for many years that K State would be terrible in football. Then they got lucky and hired the right guy. Northwestern football is a similar story. Wisconsin got lucky hiring Bo....he was a great coach. But that was a lucky hire.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I know Gard is >>>> Alford or Lick, so I think we're safe for awhile.

yep U got no future problems at all...we all get that & we all appreciate you telling us that on Hawkeye Report..

you've got 17 years of Bo to hang your shit on....nothing is a guarantee in the near future...nothing.

so carlton U want to defend this jack ass some more?

I know .... you could have him post each seasons' win-loss under Bo...right here on Hawkeye Report... you could even make HR your Wisc BB Wikipedia.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I know Gard is >>>> Alford or Lick, so I think we're safe for awhile.

and U are just the sort of fan that Gard guards against. He is too busy not to stay focused & not to understand Iowa BB is trending ... never live in your recent past...or U will be dreaming about the good old days.

or...you can be a jerk to point out your Bo success ...over again...and again.
and...well again.

 

[Carlton]

Bob, I don't think I'm constantly here puffing about Wisconsin basketball.When someone makes a statement, however, that I think is unfair or flat-out wrong, I do respond. Not that you would know,but I respond the same way on one or more of the cardinal and red boards.
I do recall the 1955-95 era. While it wasn't pretty, (including some long afternoons at the Iowa Fieldhouse and Carver)I would never attempt to diminish what Iowa under Lute or Dr. Tom accomplished during their tenures here during that time period.

 

[Carlton]

yep U got no future problems at all...we all get that & we all appreciate you telling us that on Hawkeye Report..

you've got 17 years of Bo to hang your shit on....nothing is a guarantee in the near future...nothing.

so carlton U want to defend this jack ass some more?.

I don't defend everything JW says. My guess is that JW is much younger than I am and we have had different sports experiences. My point was that I could see how he reacted to HA's comment about mediocrity.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Bob, I don't think I'm constantly here puffing about Wisconsin basketball.When someone makes a statement, however, that I think is unfair or flat-out wrong, I do respond. Not that you would know,but I respond the same way on one or more of the cardinal and red boards.
I do recall the 1955-95 era. While it wasn't pretty, (including some long afternoons at the Iowa Fieldhouse and Carver)I would never attempt to diminish what Iowa under Lute or Dr. Tom accomplished during their tenures here during that time period.

you do realize this is not a Wisc Rivals site... Iowa fans that make a statement on an Iowa site don't have to be fair or flat-out correct about anything.

The optimism for the future of Iowa BB based on our roster is exciting for alot of Hawkeye fans... the progression under McCaffery is real.

Iowa BB fans suffered for a few years prior to the recent. Just like you suffered for 40 years prior to Bennett & Bo.

What do we get on this thread...a post from Mr Wardumb..telling us we cant reach the level of Bo's success...where no one said we would or will.

If I was a Wisky fan I'd more concerned about the very near future...and not so much telling us what ours will be.

 

[DanL53]

I don't defend everything JW says. My guess is that JW is much younger than I am and we have had different sports experiences. My point was that I could see how he reacted to HA's comment about mediocrity.

I certainly wouldn't put you in the category of troll, at all. jwardelt and SirIllini...no different than some Iowa State fans. It's July and let's see where they are in late February.

 

[jwardelt]

you do realize this is not a Wisc Rivals site... Iowa fans that make a statement on an Iowa site don't have to be fair or flat-out correct about anything.

The optimism for the future of Iowa BB based on our roster is exciting for alot of Hawkeye fans... the progression under McCaffery is real.

Iowa BB fans suffered for a few years prior to the recent. Just like you suffered for 40 years prior to Bennett & Bo.

What do we get on this thread...a post from Mr Wardumb..telling us we cant reach the level of Bo's success...where no one said we would or will.

If I was a Wisky fan I'd more concerned about the very near future...and not so much telling us what ours will be.

Why should we be concerned? Recruiting is humming along, Sweet 16's are a yearly occurrence, top 4 B1G finishes, yup, I'm really concerned. Can't wait to get this season started and see what the new pieces can do.

 

[perryhawk]

you do realize this is not a Wisc Rivals site... Iowa fans that make a statement on an Iowa site don't have to be fair or flat-out correct about anything.

The optimism for the future of Iowa BB based on our roster is exciting for alot of Hawkeye fans... the progression under McCaffery is real.

Iowa BB fans suffered for a few years prior to the recent. Just like you suffered for 40 years prior to Bennett & Bo.

What do we get on this thread...a post from Mr Wardumb..telling us we cant reach the level of Bo's success...where no one said we would or will.

If I was a Wisky fan I'd more concerned about the very near future...and not so much telling us what ours will be.

Why should we be concerned? Recruiting is humming along, Sweet 16's are a yearly occurrence, top 4 B1G finishes, yup, I'm really concerned. Can't wait to get this season started and see what the new pieces can do.

Yes, I admit that I have some interest in how Wisconsin performs this year as well....it's another step away from the Bo era.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Yes, I admit that I have some interest in how Wisconsin performs this year as well....it's another step away from the Bo era.

this ... being naive & ingenuous shows a lack of sophistication to understand what a previous coach did is in the past. I wish Gard was taking this approach.

In the end the only thing that matters is us (despite what other school posters are telling us on HR) .. we have alot to be excited about.

 

[DanL53]

Obviously some Badgers can't tell the difference between past, present and future. So no point in trying to explain anything. Like a dog that has eaten good food out of the same bowl for a long time. One could take a dump in the bowl and the dog will eat it before it even realizes what it is eating.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Carlton is a respectful visitor, who usually adds to threads. JW will soon learn that success goes in cycles. Bo was an excellent coach and Wisconsin had a great run during his tenure. Happ is a very good player, but I would bet quite a bit that Wisconsin's string of top 4 finishes will end this year.

 

[RocknRollface]

Did we luck into 6 of the last 7 Sweet 16's? There has been a few others on the recent teams other than Frank as well. Did we luck into all of them as well?

You only had one player of the year Candidate.

Wisconsin was consistently good under Bo, ill give you that, but Kaminski took it to another level.

It remains to be seen how things will go without Bo.

 

[DanL53]

I still think it is dumb that on a site called Hawkeye Report, Hawkeye fans can be discussing what appears to be a bright future...and two fans, one from Wisconsin and one from Illinois, come on here trolling and as usual it appears they are still around.

Now we find ourselves evaluating Wisconsin. Hell, I've looked at what Wisconsin has, and I have an opinion, but I sure don't feel like discussing it with a Wisconsin fan! If I did, I'd be on their site and I would TRY to be respectful.

We might as well be on Rivals Main Board for all the "Hawkeye" around here.

 

[Ronman]

I know Gard is >>>> Alford or Lick, so I think we're safe for awhile.

You do realize, of course, that neither Alford or Lickliter are currently coaching the Iowa Basketball program, so your "safety" is not in their hands.

 

[hawk-i bob]

It might be fair to say if we did not have the roster we do today and the progression that has been made the last 4-5 years ... the 'other' school trolls would probably not be here. Fran must be doing something right?

 

[Rifler]

I know Gard is >>>> Alford or Lick, so I think we're safe for awhile.

No, I don't think you really "know" that yet.....

 

[Rifler]

Why should we be concerned? Recruiting is humming along, Sweet 16's are a yearly occurrence, top 4 B1G finishes, yup, I'm really concerned. Can't wait to get this season started and see what the new pieces can do.

You are quite young, aren't you.....

 

[SirIllini]

Bobby the sage: "...nothing is a guarantee in the near future...nothing."

Except of course that Iowa will be one of the better teams in the B1G and finish no lower than third over the next three years.

That sh*t is a metaphysical lock. Right?

Much panty bunching and outright hostility here when an outsider comes in bearing a little realism.

It's just college basketball, boys. Enjoy the PTL.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Bobby the sage: "...nothing is a guarantee in the near future...nothing."

Except of course that Iowa will be one of the better teams in the B1G and finish no lower than third over the next three years.

That sh*t is a metaphysical lock. Right?

Much panty bunching and outright hostility here when an outsider comes in bearing a little realism.

It's just college basketball, boys. Enjoy the PTL.

realism? You've ignored your own real results over the last 10+ years...yet make smart ass comments directed toward Hawkeye fans on a Hawkeye Rivals site.

here is some realty for U.

Iowa (last 5 years) 52-38 6th 6th 3rd 3rd 5th
Illinoise (last 5 years) 37-53 7th 8th 7th 12th 9th

congrats moron.

 

[DanL53]

Bobby the sage: "...nothing is a guarantee in the near future...nothing."

Except of course that Iowa will be one of the better teams in the B1G and finish no lower than third over the next three years.

That sh*t is a metaphysical lock. Right?

Much panty bunching and outright hostility here when an outsider comes in bearing a little realism.

It's just college basketball, boys. Enjoy the PTL.

Some fans enjoy making predictions SirAnnoying. There is nothing wrong with it and the fact that you single me out for my optimism about the Hawkeyes says a lot about how you think Hawkeye fans should behave. In fact, constantly berating me and referring to me in what is often an infants twist on Daniel (Danny) tells me that your ONLY message is Hawkeye fans should remain in a constant, "Oh, we're just Iowa...we can't be any better", mindset.

Well, sorry loser, but you played that game when Groce was hired. And we had to read how once Groce got rid of the rotten players left him (including 4 stars) the Big Ten was going to be all about the Illini. We had to read about all the talent Groce was landing, and for awhile until you lost the last of your feces, how the Big Ten was STILL going to be all about the Illini.

Well, Bob just gave you the facts, fecesboy.

And judging by the reactions on this thread, you have LOST the lemon sucking Iowa fans who used to defend your posts. You have LOST the occasional Illini fan who would try to defend your position, albeit it with a nicer tone (combes) but the same message. You are alone, troll.

And Hawkeye fans recognize what your so called "realism" is. It's selling YOU'RE prediction that the Hawkeyes can't become a top tier Big Ten program over the next three or more years. And laughingly, since you can't realistically claim your Illini will stop us, you now toss out the entire Big Ten!

I've always said one can measure Iowa's success by the opponents that detractors cling to like ticks. You, you blood sucking parasite, just latched on to every team we face!

I don't know what Iowa ever did to you. Maybe the Iowa bus ran over your foot? Or an Iowa Grad got job over you? Whatever it was, I'm glad we did and I hope we do it again.

As to MY stated opinion that Iowa will win 40+ Big Ten regular season games over the next three years? Look at what Iowa did in the last three! 34-20! I'm talking an improvement of just two games a year. IN THE SAME BIG TEN you keep claiming I know nothing about.

Your crippled logic coming from your Anti-Hawkeye hatred apparently can't see the kind of talent Iowa has, or how many years we have it! Or the talent joining the team in the future!

Or maybe you can. And maybe that's why in July, before the future is now, you are on here behaving like a dipshit. Parting shots before you hide under your rock, again. Welcome to your role as an Iowa State type fan. Agitate when can, hide when can't. You have earned your role as an irritant. Way to sell down your own team!

 

[jwardelt]

realism? You've ignored your own real results over the last 10+ years...yet make smart ass comments directed toward Hawkeye fans on a Hawkeye Rivals site.

here is some realty for U.

Iowa (last 5 years) 42-30 6th 6th 3rd 3rd 5th
Illinoise (last 5 years) 37-53 7th 8th 7th 12th 9th

congrats moron.

LOL. You can't even get your own teams stats right.

Iowa is 52-38 over the last 5 years in conference.

UW is 64-26 in comparison.

 

[jwardelt]

As to MY stated opinion that Iowa will win 40+ Big Ten regular season games over the next three years? Look at what Iowa did in the last three! 34-20! I'm talking an improvement of just two games a year. IN THE SAME BIG TEN you keep claiming I know nothing about.
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UW's two best stretches netted 39 and 40 wins in a 3 year period. 39 was during a 16 game conference season. And you're predicting Iowa to go for 40+? Again, it's great that you have high hopes, but let's be realistic. I wouldn't even predict that for UW.

Izzo's best 3 year stretch equaled 41 conference wins during the 16 game conference season.

Matta had a 43 game 3-year stretch during 18 game seasons.

Painter had a 40 game 3-year stretch during 18 game seasons.

Beilein had a 40 game 3-year stretch during 18 game seasons.

Point is, it can happen, sure, but it takes some pretty special players to make it happen. Those are the only ones I found to have a 40 game 3-year stretch this century.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

LOL. You can't even get your own teams stats right.

Iowa is 52-38 over the last 5 years in conference.

UW is 64-26 in comparison.

No one has questioned UW's outstanding B1G record over the past decade or so. Fran has resurrected Iowa BB from the Lick disaster, and most indicators point to even better results could be ahead. If Gard can keep UW at the level that Bo maintained, it will be very impressive. Looking at what the Badgers lost, I will be very surprised if UW doesn't have a "rebuilding year", if not more. Good news for you and also Iowa is that there are several B1G teams that should not be very good this year because of players leaving and coaching changes. Depending on scheduling, a team could be very mediocre and still finish around .500 this year.

 

[SirIllini]

Let me share a little story from 1982....

Hahahaha

Wisconsin was bad for four decades....

(and yet they still have TEN more league championships than Iowa -- TEN MORE) ...

Hahahaha

 

[jwardelt]

No one has questioned UW's outstanding B1G record over the past decade or so. Fran has resurrected Iowa BB from the Lick disaster, and most indicators point to even better results could be ahead. If Gard can keep UW at the level that Bo maintained, it will be very impressive. Looking at what the Badgers lost, I will be very surprised if UW doesn't have a "rebuilding year", if not more. Good news for you and also Iowa is that there are several B1G teams that should not be very good this year because of players leaving and coaching changes. Depending on scheduling, a team could be very mediocre and still finish around .500 this year.

We're pretty much past the rebuilding phase, if the last 17 years are any indicator. I'll be more surprised by a "rebuilding" year than the other way around. It won't be w/o some bumps but 10-12 conference wins and a 7-10 seed in NCAA is about what I expect out of this year. But our "rebuilding" years are better than most.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Let me share a little story from 1982....

Hahahaha

Wisconsin was bad for four decades....

(and yet they still have TEN more league championships than Iowa -- TEN MORE) ...

Hahahaha

It is kind of pathetic that your team is so bad that you need to come on to the Iowa site and knock Iowa BB. This thread started as a look forward, and Iowa fans have reason to be optimistic. What concrete developments do you have to make you optimistic about Illannoy BB? They did seem to hire a slimy recruiter, so maybe you can get back to Lou Doo's days when Cheating Jimmy was buying players.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

We're pretty much past the rebuilding phase, if the last 17 years are any indicator. I'll be more surprised by a "rebuilding" year than the other way around. It won't be w/o some bumps but 10-12 conference wins and a 7-10 seed in NCAA is about what I expect out of this year. But our "rebuilding" years are better than most.

Without seeing the conference schedule, I can't make predictions about B1G records, but I think UW has very little chance of being more than a bubble team for the dance.

 

[SirIllini]

...must've been 25 below...

...Carfino...

...Lute...

Hahahahaha

 

[jwardelt]

Without seeing the conference schedule, I can't make predictions about B1G records, but I think UW has very little chance of being more than a bubble team for the dance.

Have you not been paying attention the last 17 years. We've been a bubble team maybe twice in that span. If you keep repeating that, one of these years it has to be true, right?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Have you not been paying attention the last 17 years. We've been a bubble team maybe twice in that span. If you keep repeating that, one of these years it has to be true, right?

Some of us have a much broader perspective than you. It's easy to brag when your team has been on a roll. Once the schedules come out, unless UW draws a very favorable one, maybe we can talk about a "friendly bet". I don't carefully follow UW BB, but you better hope that Iverson becomes a stud and several guys who haven't played are ready to step into B1G competition.