Tea leaves say Teske to PSU
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Not being the “historian” or the all so knowing ”nitlion6”, i can tell you both that it IS NOT the Gable model! Since only one of us has first hand experience and knowledge of the time guess i have facts and you both have your opinions.
Nitt fan, hate to tell you but he is 100% right. They offered Fix the same deal. Heard it from his parents.Don't you guys get tired of this stuff? Really, link one shred of proof.
Of course there is a reason to keep it quiet. Assume Brody has indeed verballed to PSU "silently" and hypothetically Cael tells him to not announce until signing day. Since not publicly known it allows PSU to shift or change minds up and take no public bashing as it's there word versus his BUT more importantly it ties Iowa up on money offered to Teske until signing day and if then find out not coming to Iowa they have created unproductive money for Iowa or money Iowa invests into a lower level prospect.
Don't think Cael has forgot about Nolf, Retheford, and Suriano ALL giving initial verbal to Iowa and forcing PSU to up money to full or close to full rides for each of them to ultimately get. Yes, now proves out to be great ROI on all of them with their performances thus far, but at the time it forced money that could of been spread to 5-6 recruits to 3. My own opinion is that Cael tried to or is trying to get Tom to overinvest in order to keep Brody at Iowa. Before you all say well we don't need him we have Spencer and we have 246311 more repeat posts we do need him not just for the wrestling part, but equally important for program and fan perceptions. Cael comes into your state and takes arguably one of the best recruits the state has seen in last decade who grew up Hawkeye fan entire life, is a light weight where you have proven to have top performing athletes, and the statewide fan base isn't going to start asking questions even with Spencer explanation? The bottom line is whether anyone wants to recognize it or not Cael and Tom Ryan have began to change how wrestling recruiting is approached and elevated it to new levels (save the yeah by doing illegally responses) Have heard on multiple occasions when kids go on visits to PSU there is a very strong push to get verbal on spot for the majority of redshirt while there and if not they move on and waste no more time.
Now this is the closest thing to evidence I've seen, although still hearsay. Non anonymous poster's conversation with parents of a well known recruit. This thing is growing legs. Just waiting on Fix's parents or others to corroborate and this thing will be running. Maybe the Surianos leak some dirt. Although that is unlikely as it would probably effect his eligibility.
I would think that if Teske has been declining to visit Iowa it would be a sign to Iowa not to save him a spot and move forward with that money elsewhere. I say that with the caveat that I don't know if that is true or not but it is what was posted.
Is Teske really the best instate recruit in the last decade? If so that really make it clear where the state of Iowa high school wrestling stands nationally. That's not a slight on Teske as I do like him a lot but Pennsylvania and Ohio seem to have multiple top 10 recruits every year. Pretty big difference to have our best recruit in the last decade ranked in the mid to upper 20s.
We should be willing to up our offer if Teske is really that important to the program. If he isn't, then we shouldn't.
Um, we had verbals from Retherford and Nolf????
Teske is nowhere close to the best Recruit Iowa has had in a decade. He's the 2nd best this year behind Thomsen. Happel, Stroker, M Thomsen, Sorensen, Etc ALL better recruits then Teske. Also we will never know how good of a recruit Teske will be because there is no way he starts 4 years at PSU with the guys they have coming in and Carl's history of recruiting over guys.
I guess to me it is just efficient business. We are making you an offer. If you take it, great. If not, we will offer it to someone else. We do not want to spend precious time on guys who are not going to come here.
I do not think it is unusual to give the kids a deadline to accept. If you give them a day or awe eek or a month, it is still a deadline. Cael knew immediately that he was not going to get Fix after he gave him the ultimatum. He moved on. I am sure Brands gives kids deadlines also, although maybe not as strictly. I doubt that he waits until signing day and has 8 offers out there. If the kids all commit, he would not have the money for all of them. I am sure he knows who is coming and who isn't before the signing day.
I do not think it is unusual to give the kids a deadline to accept. If you give them a day or awe eek or a month, it is still a deadline. Cael knew immediately that he was not going to get Fix after he gave him the ultimatum. He moved on. I am sure Brands gives kids deadlines also, although maybe not as strictly. I doubt that he waits until signing day and has 8 offers out there. If the kids all commit, he would not have the money for all of them. I am sure he knows who is coming and who isn't before the signing day.
A high school kid and his parents should be given a reasonable opportunity to explore all scholarship offers and become familiar with the coaching staffs, facilities, teammates and campuses at the schools recruiting them. An actual official visit is necessary to complete this process. If Cael is playing hardball to prevent recruits from visiting other schools' campuses, I don't consider that "efficient business." It's undue coercion, it show no respect to the recruit and his family, and it, if true, it exposes Cael as a Olympic-class jerk.
Only so many dollars to go around. If a kid says he is ready to commit, either offer him or possibly lose him. I would think if he is a silent commit to Penn State, I don't think the Teske family is going to burn the in state schools.
Didn't you know? It's not about the recruits or their families. If we were to make a list of things a coach should take into account, allowing a recruit to evaluate the full landscape and make an informed decision would be a low priority.
Nolf is the one that got away. Really wanted to be a Hawk, parents wanted him to stay home. We got out bid...came down to schollie money. Heavy interest with Zain, Suriano. Suriano was a week away from being in Iowa City. Cael made his famous midnight visit and that was that.
So when you make an offer on a home, you don't put in a deadline to limit other suitors for that same house? Wrestlers aren't houses, but the thought process is the same. It's simply good business pure and simple. The parents are asking for x dollars. Coach says okay but I need an answer today. Nothing wrong with that or anything along those lines.
This thread is mentally exhausting ...
I didn't complain about deadlines, I was referring to the allegation that Cael pulls the scholarship if Teske visits Iowa. You might try reading what I posted. I'm not aware that Cael dictated a time limit that prevented Teske from visiting Iowa. If there was such a time limit, it passed a few weeks ago and Teske should be on the curb now.
Another point, a coach/athlete relationship is not an arms length business transaction. Give me a break.
I'll take "White lies a star athlete might tell to make his club coach feel better" for $200, Alex.
I have no problem with Cael putting ultimatums in place. I'm a bit surprised that this board has so many snowflakes complaining that Cael isn't playing nice.
The midnight visit did not gain them anything in the end and possibly saved us an issue if Suriano decides he is a Jersey guy while in IC too. Of course maybe he likes it a lot better in IC.
Recruits should not let Karl get away with bullying them into decisions. Telling an uncommited athlete not to visit places or else is a DB move but only effective if they let it be.
So half of your board feels that Suriano's dad is the reason he left Penn State, but it is unreasonable for this same situation to happen in your favor? You have absolutely no inside information on the matter, but you're positive it's incorrect. Could this be because you're a Penn State fan?
If you are planning on looking at five houses that you are interested in does that mean after you look at the first or second house you have to make a decision to make an offer or you no longer have that option? Since I have a realtor in my family don’t think that’s how it works. You look at and apraise all your options then make a decision. Your telling us a 17-18 year old boy doesn’t deserve that right?
But the seller of house 2 doesn’t have to wait for you to look at house 5. They can take the house off the market while you’re looking at the other houses. Then you’d be SOL if you really wanted house 2.
It is a recruiting tactic. Many us it. It can backfire for sure. It can also be used by the recruit as well. "Hey I want a full ride offer from you by the end of the day or you guys are out of the running." Is it a great way to start out a relationship like this? No. Is it a sign that you are kind of a douche? Kinda.
Not how it works assuming the seller really wants to sell his house. Any analagy that you can make fit doesn’t change the fact that a young athlete should be given time to make an informed and right decision for himself.
Agree lots of coaches do it way more then people would think.Imagine PapaBear has some stories about his sons recruiting process as well as other OPRF kids.
The proper response from a recruit or his parent is, "Thanks, but we're committed to the process of finding the right fit for the next five years, and we intend to take all of our visits and weigh all of our options before making a decision. That means we won't accept an offer from someone else either until we've done our due diligence on all our options. Let's talk again when we've completed that process. If that doesn't work for you, please tell us now so we can focus on other options."
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Am I misreading this or did you just say that Nolf, Retherford, and Suriano all initially gave verbal commitments to Iowa?
