Tea leaves say Teske to PSU
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The major hole in all of this thinking - but I'm not surprised since this is a wrestling board and no one thinks about much besides wrestling - is that if this was really going on, what exactly is the benefit that Cael is offering them? The majority of these kids are good students, graduating in four years or less, some on the five year plan will be pursuing masters degrees.
They can earn just as much and, in fact, probably a lot more doing something other than being a resident athlete at a RTC.
The theory here espoused by DonHawkeye and friends is that Cael and company are saying "wink, wink, come here for less and we will pay you 50K for 4 years plus benefits to a hang around State College after you graduate." Meanwhile, as pointed out above, Nico Megaludis is heading off to Pittsburgh to make about 100K more than that over the same time span. Guys who want to stay in wrestling like the Altons are doing the grad asst thing and then moving onto coaching staffs and making in the ball park.
You'd think by reading posts on here that the job market for college grads who were athletes at a major university is very depressed and Cael is offering some kind of windfall. LMFAO.
Your LOI contains your offer explicity. Once signed the institution is bound to honor it and the athlete is bound to compete at the university for a year (unless not admitted or not qualified). Are you implying that Mark Hall was promised something verbally and then signed his LOI when the offer was less????
What part of my post don't YOU understand, besides ALL of it?
He received more than a full ride? I'm figured he got less, I think also think fulls are rare at the blue bloods but I could be wrong.
There could be something else going on, does PSU or other schools offer cost of living stipends to all sports? PSU football was around $5000 while Iowa was around $2000.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Seriously, some of you guys must think Cael has ties to Mamiashvili.
Calm down, Sparky. I don't happen to believe everything I read on a message board or take it so seriously. It was simply sarcasm.
His reply to me indicated that Mark Hall was offered an amount verbally and then when the official offer came - it was less than offered. But Hall still went with PSU anyway.
So either HawkMD:
1) doesn't understand the LOI process
2) thinks Cael has compromising pictures of Mark Hall's father
or
3) has just ratched up the accusations from the not well thought out post-grad thing to full-on "Blue Chips" payola in the bag, bursar's office in on it, new car in the driveway way of rolling.
Seriously hoping that the MD in his handle does not stand for Medical Doctor.
No. I am pretty sure he is Radar from Ottumwa Iowa.His reply to me indicated that Mark Hall was offered an amount verbally and then when the official offer came - it was less than offered. But Hall still went with PSU anyway.
So either HawkMD:
1) doesn't understand the LOI process
2) thinks Cael has compromising pictures of Mark Hall's father
or
3) has just ratched up the accusations from the not well thought out post-grad thing to full-on "Blue Chips" payola in the bag, bursar's office in on it, new car in the driveway way of rolling.
Seriously hoping that the MD in his handle does not stand for Medical Doctor.
Full rides come in different packages.His reply to me indicated that Mark Hall was offered an amount verbally and then when the official offer came - it was less than offered. But Hall still went with PSU anyway.
So either HawkMD:
1) doesn't understand the LOI process
2) thinks Cael has compromising pictures of Mark Hall's father
or
3) has just ratched up the accusations from the not well thought out post-grad thing to full-on "Blue Chips" payola in the bag, bursar's office in on it, new car in the driveway way of rolling.
Seriously hoping that the MD in his handle does not stand for Medical Doctor.
Dice,
They can take that cash and move on if they choose. They can use that cash & go to grad school. They can use that cash & any additional the club will pay as a club member. I don't see how you are negating anything.
They can take that cash and move on if they choose. They can use that cash & go to grad school. They can use that cash & any additional the club will pay as a club member. I don't see how you are negating anything.
So you are asserting they are receiving a lump sum at graduation? Just want to make sure I'm reading you correctly...
I also heard they offered Jarod Verkleeren, a world champion, no scholarship. He did also tell coaches that were recruiting him they were also offering him 4 years 50k/per after he graduates through the NLWC. Great way to stretch that scholarship money.
herkcy and HawkMD's recent forays into the serious SMU and Ole Miss style recruiting violations aside, the assertion that some of you seem to be pushing to make yourselves feel better is that the NLWC is there for them post grad. They train and get paid (Don said 50K per year plus insurance for four years). Cael tells them this is part of their scholarship package and that is how they make up the difference in what they are giving up.
If I'm Tom Brands I've got a better package to sell AND I don't have to get AD department approval to sell it.
If you come wrestle for me and do your schoolwork, you are going to receive a degree from the University of Iowa and the average starting salary is 48,500/year (IDK what Iowa is, this is the quickest thing I could grab on PSU). That's the least you will have and you will most likely be far more marketable than that. If you use a RS and the two summers that the NCAA will pay for you can leave here 1 1/2 years into the masters program of your choosing, plus you will be an ex-collegiate athlete - which employers love - so likely you will be making way more and have much more money to pay off your loans than those schlepps at the NLWC.
But, if you don't want to pursue your career and want to keep wrestling that will be easy too, and you will still make at least as much as those schlepps. If you have Olympic aspirations, by the end of your career as a Hawkeye you should be on the Olympic ladder and this will give you a wide variety of choices in places to train - including our very own Hawkeye Wrestling Club, where you can receive a stipend just like the NLWC guys do - plus we have THE BEST LIGHTWEIGHT ROOM IN THE COUNTRY. Oh - you're 149? - forget I said that. We've got a great room. Or you can decide that you need some diversity in your training and you will be in a great position to go to most anywhere you want in the country - except the South.
If you are not that good, maybe didn't AA, or almost AA'd or one AA AND you want to make wrestling your career, we've still got something for you. There are Hawkeyes coaching all over the country at all kinds of different levels. Plus if you do the grad assistant thing you get to get that last 1/2 year of the masters FOR FREE. Check out our very own Josh Dziewa. Poor kid didn't even AA and BANG - next thing you know he's director of an RTC and a year later is an assistant at an up and coming program. Who's looking better for his future in wrestling - him or the Nico kid who won a NC?????? And, yes, he's got just as much money to pay back his student loans as those schleps in State College making 50K a year following Cael around like a lap dog.
Now, if you have recruits and their families who do not understand this pitch and feel they are better off taking a backroom deal with Cael as some of you believe - well I have my doubts that these kids are going to make it the four years academically anyway, so best to move on. Implied in this is my general impression of the education prospects of posters who can not understand this as well.
If I'm Tom Brands I've got a better package to sell AND I don't have to get AD department approval to sell it.
If you come wrestle for me and do your schoolwork, you are going to receive a degree from the University of Iowa and the average starting salary is 48,500/year (IDK what Iowa is, this is the quickest thing I could grab on PSU). That's the least you will have and you will most likely be far more marketable than that. If you use a RS and the two summers that the NCAA will pay for you can leave here 1 1/2 years into the masters program of your choosing, plus you will be an ex-collegiate athlete - which employers love - so likely you will be making way more and have much more money to pay off your loans than those schlepps at the NLWC.
But, if you don't want to pursue your career and want to keep wrestling that will be easy too, and you will still make at least as much as those schlepps. If you have Olympic aspirations, by the end of your career as a Hawkeye you should be on the Olympic ladder and this will give you a wide variety of choices in places to train - including our very own Hawkeye Wrestling Club, where you can receive a stipend just like the NLWC guys do - plus we have THE BEST LIGHTWEIGHT ROOM IN THE COUNTRY. Oh - you're 149? - forget I said that. We've got a great room. Or you can decide that you need some diversity in your training and you will be in a great position to go to most anywhere you want in the country - except the South.
If you are not that good, maybe didn't AA, or almost AA'd or one AA AND you want to make wrestling your career, we've still got something for you. There are Hawkeyes coaching all over the country at all kinds of different levels. Plus if you do the grad assistant thing you get to get that last 1/2 year of the masters FOR FREE. Check out our very own Josh Dziewa. Poor kid didn't even AA and BANG - next thing you know he's director of an RTC and a year later is an assistant at an up and coming program. Who's looking better for his future in wrestling - him or the Nico kid who won a NC?????? And, yes, he's got just as much money to pay back his student loans as those schleps in State College making 50K a year following Cael around like a lap dog.
Now, if you have recruits and their families who do not understand this pitch and feel they are better off taking a backroom deal with Cael as some of you believe - well I have my doubts that these kids are going to make it the four years academically anyway, so best to move on. Implied in this is my general impression of the education prospects of posters who can not understand this as well.
Fellas,
It's happening. No matter what I say if you didn't believe me prior to you still won't. If you already believe me then no need. I'm ok either way. Nothing to be gained here.
It's happening. No matter what I say if you didn't believe me prior to you still won't. If you already believe me then no need. I'm ok either way. Nothing to be gained here.
Example #1.
If true, Verkleeren's response should have been "you better up that offer. Once I'm done wrestling here I'm going to be worth more than that to an awful lot of employers around the country."
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So is the lump sum there for kids who flunk out, transfer out or are removed from the team? Curious.
Again, if the Brands are losing kids because of this post-grad program, Iowa needs to hire me as their recruiting coordinator immediately.
Dicemen99,
I honestly don't know what is going on and never said I did. I just said the math is pretty crazy to me. I just have a very hard time imagining that many guys being willing(and their parents) to take on the debt when they can get full rides elsewhere.
17 guys with multiple years left of that caliber just makes me wonder how it is possible. Now if they don't recruit next year, I can see it. But, if they land 3 more top 10's, I won't be able to stop wondering how.....
I honestly don't know what is going on and never said I did. I just said the math is pretty crazy to me. I just have a very hard time imagining that many guys being willing(and their parents) to take on the debt when they can get full rides elsewhere.
17 guys with multiple years left of that caliber just makes me wonder how it is possible. Now if they don't recruit next year, I can see it. But, if they land 3 more top 10's, I won't be able to stop wondering how.....
Don't bother debating Richard or any other PSU visitors about this topic. They can't see the Sandusky for the boys.
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What in the f*ck are you talking about dude? You just wrote a massive wall of text and your summarized point is that Iowa's recruiting strategy should be to tell recruits "so what if PSU is guaranteeing their athletes tuition reimbursement or $50k/year after graduation, if you come to Iowa you have the possibility to make what the average Iowa grad makes for a starting salary? How is that a convincing argument?
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Iowa was winning without exclusively top p4p recruits. Times have changed since Gables era.
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Pretty much spot on. Which brings us to the solution at Iowa, and that's to circle the wagons, pound the pavement, roll up our sleeves, go to town, get 'er done, and every other cliche you can imagine. It's time to get the HWC endowed, crank up the automatic monthly donations, round up the corporate sponsors, and get the funds flowing in. Build the best wrestling facility in the nation -- officially announced as a study project today -- to top it all off, keep elevating the recruiting game, and put the HWC and the Hawks back on top of the heap. We don't necessarily have to exploit loopholes, rationalize, or compromise principles to get back on top. It may be the more difficult route, but heck -- we're Iowans. Difficulty is a familiar foe we're used to overcoming. Bring it on.
