Answer seems simple...
Get HWC funded correctly, and offer post grad money. PSU is there, we need to get there as well.
Get HWC funded correctly, and offer post grad money. PSU is there, we need to get there as well.
Tea leaves say Teske to PSU
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A few data points, most of which have been mentioned here before:
- As a freshman, Nick Nevills indicated he was getting 60%.
- Manville is on some sort of ROTC scholarship.
- Verkleuren pursued PSU (not the other way around) and is getting nothing. This was documented in a newspaper article and is public knowledge.
- Nick Lee and Joe Lee are brothers (duh) and committed at the same time; i.e., a package deal. No inside info here, but it's probable that PSU received a "discount" to accept both together. And maybe similar arrangement could have occurred with Seth Nevills?
- I've seen rumors that Hall is getting a lot less than one might expect. Nothing substantive, but it's been put out there.
And all the above makes me skeptical that PSU offered Teske 80%. However, PSU clearly needs a 125 pounder after the Suriano debacle, so who knows?
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You understand all of those data points are the exact reason we are questioning things to begin with? How can it be that all of those guys who could be getting full rides at a large number of schools are choosing to come to PSU at a massive discount instead?
Could it be they all don't care about money and just want to wrestle for PSU? Sure it could be the case. Could it be the 9.9 scholarship limitation is being bypassed and the athletes are being imbursed in other ways?
Not sure why I’m bothering, but I’m working on another lesson so I’m in the mood. Apologize ahead for the length. 
The problem with your line of thinking (of some here) is you aren’t. Thinking that is. You look through your very thin lens that only focuses around you. You may not realize it, but you are being very arrogant because you assume anyone that thinks differently than you (all the wrestlers who would go to PSU or anywhere for less money, as well as many posters on our site and your site that do not agree with you) can’t do it honestly. It just couldn’t be that people would do something that doesn’t make sense to you! Money is all that matters, right?
That is the epitomy of arrogance. And self-absorption. I’ve said it before here, but my son (senior at PSU) got money (academic) from every school he applied to but one (you guessed it, PSU). He could have gone to school for less than half of what I have been paying.
By your thinking I am a raving lunatic or somehow cheating, especially since my daughter went to an out of state school for more than twice what she could have done in state. I paid for that too. What a maroon. What an ignoramus. What a nincowpoop. (sorry, I love Bugs).
I am also not rich. Very frugal and have been for a long time knowing this was coming. My point is that we all have things that are important to us and where we will put our means is different for every person.
Money could be an issue for some (was for me when I was in school….which is WHY I didn’t want it to be for my kids). My observation from my sons friends and my daughters friends is that it is not that important for the majority. There could be dozens of reasons people go where they go, many of which don’t make sense to you….doesn’t make them wrong, just different.
We have a bunch of kids from my kids high school up here near Philly going to Alabama. WHAT?, was my reaction. Hicksville (no offense intended ). That is what happens when you win national championships.
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out. You of ALL people should know that. I watched for 20 years when it seemed every good wrestler wanted to go to what for me was the middle of nowhere (I have been out there now and REALLY like it but by eastern standards, Iowa is not exactly Miami beach).
Its always easy to tear others down instead of just looking in the mirror and trying to fix yourself. I have no idea if anything wrong is going on, but I’ve seen zero evidence while having a TON of scrutiny on the whole school for years now. Because of that I’m pretty comfortable with where they are at.
Time will tell. In the meantime, looking forward to a lot of good wrestling talk as the season gets near.
The problem with your line of thinking (of some here) is you aren’t. Thinking that is. You look through your very thin lens that only focuses around you. You may not realize it, but you are being very arrogant because you assume anyone that thinks differently than you (all the wrestlers who would go to PSU or anywhere for less money, as well as many posters on our site and your site that do not agree with you) can’t do it honestly. It just couldn’t be that people would do something that doesn’t make sense to you! Money is all that matters, right?
That is the epitomy of arrogance. And self-absorption. I’ve said it before here, but my son (senior at PSU) got money (academic) from every school he applied to but one (you guessed it, PSU). He could have gone to school for less than half of what I have been paying.
By your thinking I am a raving lunatic or somehow cheating, especially since my daughter went to an out of state school for more than twice what she could have done in state. I paid for that too. What a maroon. What an ignoramus. What a nincowpoop. (sorry, I love Bugs).
I am also not rich. Very frugal and have been for a long time knowing this was coming. My point is that we all have things that are important to us and where we will put our means is different for every person.
Money could be an issue for some (was for me when I was in school….which is WHY I didn’t want it to be for my kids). My observation from my sons friends and my daughters friends is that it is not that important for the majority. There could be dozens of reasons people go where they go, many of which don’t make sense to you….doesn’t make them wrong, just different.
We have a bunch of kids from my kids high school up here near Philly going to Alabama. WHAT?, was my reaction. Hicksville (no offense intended
). That is what happens when you win national championships.Doesn’t take a genius to figure out. You of ALL people should know that. I watched for 20 years when it seemed every good wrestler wanted to go to what for me was the middle of nowhere (I have been out there now and REALLY like it but by eastern standards, Iowa is not exactly Miami beach).
Its always easy to tear others down instead of just looking in the mirror and trying to fix yourself. I have no idea if anything wrong is going on, but I’ve seen zero evidence while having a TON of scrutiny on the whole school for years now. Because of that I’m pretty comfortable with where they are at.
Time will tell. In the meantime, looking forward to a lot of good wrestling talk as the season gets near.
Last try. Please look at the argument you are making. Asking a few questions, that you should be asking the people who are telling you that PSU is doing this:
1) Guarantee? Or is it a handshake? Not sure as I have seen both on here. Guaranteed in the event of being thrown off the team? Not graduating? Obviously, it is not something that is written on paper, but beyond that? Let me know.
2) Outside of the new wrinkle that herkcy rolled out - these kids get a big lump sum of money at graduation, which I guess is where HR is going to go next, full blown "The Program" style cheating - why would the offer of $50K/year be something that is enticing to anyone with more than two brain cells? One, if they don't succeed at wrestling at want to go on to their career, they are going to be making pretty much THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OR MORE if there is no guarantee. Don't give me this "possibility" shit. An ex-wrestler with an Iowa or PSU degree has a ton of options. Two, if they succeed at wrestling they will have EXACTLY THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT IS BEING OFFERED. Successful wrestlers from PSU and Iowa are highly sought after in the coaching world and at RTCs - of which they are many.
So if Cael is actually running this scam, it is the greatest scam ever - because he is selling kids on something that they already are guaranteed if they successfully complete their career - regardless how successful they are on the mat.
The only kids and families that would be signing up for PSU based on this guarantee are kids that PSU and Iowa don't want anyway, because there is no way they are going to make it academically at these universities.
If this is the reason that Brands is losing recruits to PSU, I need to rethink my position on the Brands extension thread, and, again, submit my resume as recruiting coordinator. It is beyond crazy that this is what people have come up with. Suspect this is some result of a "whisper down the lane" thing, because when you take a look at it, it makes no sense to anyone who actually goes through the thought process that an elite recruit should be making when deciding on where to attend college.
Now if you want to pivot and say they are getting a chunk of money delivered to them Blue Chips style, that is a whole nuther story.
Not sure why I’m bothering, but I’m working on another lesson so I’m in the mood. Apologize ahead for the length.
The problem with your line of thinking (of some here) is you aren’t. Thinking that is. You look through your very thin lens that only focuses around you. You may not realize it, but you are being very arrogant because you assume anyone that thinks differently than you (all the wrestlers who would go to PSU or anywhere for less money, as well as many posters on our site and your site that do not agree with you) can’t do it honestly. It just couldn’t be that people would do something that doesn’t make sense to you! Money is all that matters, right?
That is the epitomy of arrogance. And self-absorption. I’ve said it before here, but my son (senior at PSU) got money (academic) from every school he applied to but one (you guessed it, PSU). He could have gone to school for less than half of what I have been paying.
By your thinking I am a raving lunatic or somehow cheating, especially since my daughter went to an out of state school for more than twice what she could have done in state. I paid for that too. What a maroon. What an ignoramus. What a nincowpoop. (sorry, I love Bugs).
I am also not rich. Very frugal and have been for a long time knowing this was coming. My point is that we all have things that are important to us and where we will put our means is different for every person.
Money could be an issue for some (was for me when I was in school….which is WHY I didn’t want it to be for my kids). My observation from my sons friends and my daughters friends is that it is not that important for the majority. There could be dozens of reasons people go where they go, many of which don’t make sense to you….doesn’t make them wrong, just different.
We have a bunch of kids from my kids high school up here near Philly going to Alabama. WHAT?, was my reaction. Hicksville (no offense intended
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out. You of ALL people should know that. I watched for 20 years when it seemed every good wrestler wanted to go to what for me was the middle of nowhere (I have been out there now and REALLY like it but by eastern standards, Iowa is not exactly Miami beach).
Its always easy to tear others down instead of just looking in the mirror and trying to fix yourself. I have no idea if anything wrong is going on, but I’ve seen zero evidence while having a TON of scrutiny on the whole school for years now. Because of that I’m pretty comfortable with where they are at.
Time will tell. In the meantime, looking forward to a lot of good wrestling talk as the season gets near.
Excellent illustration of choosing quality over subsidy. Count me (and my parents) as another example of turning down scholarship (academic) at one school for what was perceived to be a higher-quality (and more expensive) program elsewhere. And we were not wealthy by any means. Our priorities in choosing a college focused on things other than debt. Plain and simple.
And just look at society in general as an example of how wealth influences one's willingness to absorb cost. How many people "needlessly" pay up for luxury SUV's when a mid-size sedan can get the job done? Buy a huge house with in-ground pool when an apartment and local YMCA will provide a roof and relief from summer heat? People pay up for quality when they have the means. Plain and simple.
I don't profess to know anything about how the funding, aid, and post-graduation wrestling club stipends work, but it is most certainly within the realm of possibility that a bunch of kids are passing up scholarships at lesser programs to go to the best. And I would bet a meaningful proportion of elite recruits come from families that have been "paying up" to help them get to that status in the first place.
My 2 cents. The truth probably lies with a combination of some kids "going to the best no matter the cost" and some benefiting from "creative financing within the rules". Not a big deal, as long as eveything is within the rules. Don't like loopholes? Join the crowd exploiting them, or do your part to effect change. Plain and simple.
A scholarship is a scholraship if he plays both sports it counts...not excluded. That's assuming he is really playing.
During the Gable years Iowa's coaching staff was a carousel - we couldn't pay the staff life-time level salaries like the almighty Cael with his deep pockets. J Rob, Mark Johnson and others had to strike out on their own. Apparently, the PSU staff can't afford to leave.
One part I certainly don't understand is a first year life insurance agent making over $100,000 his first year. Guess similar to hearing that a $150,000 out of state tuition debt is no big deal.
Why are you here? You seem to bring absolutely nothing of substance to any discussion. Let people who want to discuss topics discuss them. Your videos, pictures, and gifs are counter productive and no one thinks you are clever or funny.
Obviously, everything is not known about PSU recruiting process. What is known, is prior to Cael, PSU NEVER recruiting like this. Heck no one in the history of wrestling has ever recruited like this. It raises some questions as to what is going on. Why would top ranked recruits who have full rides offers and starting lineups spots all but guaranteed at other very accomplished universities choose significantly less money and potentially ride the bench?
Every individual recruit makes his decision for different reasons. People are trying to figure out those reasons. Some of the RTC rules offer from flexibility that wasn't the case not too long ago. Remember Oklahoma State's NCAA issues with their wrestling team and assisting wrestlers on redshirt getting to open tournaments was a violation (giving them a ride in a team van!) and now we have wrestlers claiming to be on RTC scholarships at PSU while on redshirt. It raises questions.
Before Mark Hall committed, his father told me "Mark needs a full ride" he also told me OSU was out because Ryan would not offer a full ride. Pretty sure Hall is eating up 1 of the 9.9.
Yet we have been told repeatedly by posters who support PSU that he is not on a full ride.
I'm sure Mr Verkleeren is happy he was chosen as one of the scholarship winners courtesy of the NLWC he is well deserving of the scholarship.
Is this really true? It sounds astonishing to me that this can be done. Is a contract signed? What are the obligations of the wrestler who pockets this $200,000? Does he have to work there 40 hrs/week? What about if his performance is not all that great, is he still guaranteed the money?
Again, I find this hard to believe true. If it is true, I don't see it as all that different from some rich alumnus just shelling out money under the table. It makes the 9.9 scholarship limits a joke.
I thought Mark himself talked about hardly taking any money in an interview. Don’t have the source on that, too lazy to look.
It is almost exactly what happened to the SMU football team. For the sports sake, I certainly hope it is not true.
Mark Hall is not receiving 1 of 9.9, but he is being well taken care of. Don't lose any sleep for him.
Yea. Why are you here snowflake? This is the board for for world class Clans(with a C not a K).Well, there you have it. Zahid, who is going 174 will beat every swingin **** at 184, and PD3 should go 197 because this genius says so. I'm done. lmfao
And the math of what happens within a life insurance/financial service agency is your expertise along with everything else? Have managed and run agencies for longer than I want to think so I CAN DO that math.
Assuming that coaching abilities of Brands and Cael are both at a high level (I think Brands are better, and no doubt PSU fans think Cael is) my question to the reasonable PSU fans who post here is this.
PSU has recruited for 2018 class:
#2 126 Teasdale, #1 132 RBY, #2 160 Lee, #1 182 Wittlake, #1 195 Beard, and #2 Nevills. Each of those is #1 or #2 in their weight class and 5 of them are top 10 p4p.
Iowa, on the other hand, has no one in the top 10 or even 20 yet, and is just giddy that #3 hwt Cassioppi (#28 p4p) has committed. Their next highest recruit is the Terry Brands son,the #9 ranked 160#er, #71 p4p.
If creative financing is not a factor, is it Cael's charm that keeps pulling in recruits like no one else in the country? Or some other reason?
PSU has recruited for 2018 class:
#2 126 Teasdale, #1 132 RBY, #2 160 Lee, #1 182 Wittlake, #1 195 Beard, and #2 Nevills. Each of those is #1 or #2 in their weight class and 5 of them are top 10 p4p.
Iowa, on the other hand, has no one in the top 10 or even 20 yet, and is just giddy that #3 hwt Cassioppi (#28 p4p) has committed. Their next highest recruit is the Terry Brands son,the #9 ranked 160#er, #71 p4p.
If creative financing is not a factor, is it Cael's charm that keeps pulling in recruits like no one else in the country? Or some other reason?
Good questions, hard to come up with an answer as a casual fan. Top kids want to roll in the room of the top program to which PSU is right now. Recruiting is a fickle game and I'm not sure we have the firepower or clout to bring in that many studs at once. Too many variables and I have no idea how PSU can pull off so many consistent stacked classes. OSU isn't doing too bad themselves in that department either.
The athletes aren't knowingly violating NCAA rules, but the coaches are....
Shut your piehole Snowflake. Those two hamsters that call themselves coaches have banned Bunky and I from this board. As far as you are concerned I am The Dueceman.
I'll try to be succinct in making a couple of points . . .
(1) PSU has been killing it performance-wise. Why wouldn't that program's tires be the first the top guys kick? If it feels like a good fit, they sign on. Other programs might feel like good fits, too, but are their recent track records for producing champions as good as PSU's? Why go elsewhere unless PSU just feels wrong?
(2) It's not just PSU out-recruiting Iowa. If you are asking why it is that "Iowa has no one in the top 10 or even 20 yet, and is just giddy that #3 hwt Cassioppi (#28 p4p) has committed," then you need to include tOSU in your analysis . . . and all the other programs that have verbals from top guys. Yeah, PSU has a ridiculous proportion this year, but they do not have them all. Why are the other guys choosing tOSU, Nebraska, and others instead of Iowa?
I made another point in a previous post.
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Um, have you been reading the thread? We aren't questioning why kids want to wrestle for PSU. We're questioning why kids who could get a full-ride at virtually any school in the country are choosing to wrestle at PSU for a discount and by some accounts, a very considerable discount. Not sure why that is a hard concept to understand. I get it that for some kids, money isn't a factor. Just seems odd that the whole line-up would be cool with taking a discount.
Yeah, been reading the thread. I had already offered an opinion on how some guys are passing on full rides elsewhere. Just didn't want to repeat myself.
To my knowledge, it hasn't been established that the whole lineup is taking a discount.
Why you bringing up Brody in this thread?
Looks like you are trying to get your 8th account with the same digital footprint banned. Don't you get tired of constantly logging in and logging out of your plethora of accounts to respond to and like your own comments? I think you need another hobby.
That's probably a good thing based on the results of the last staff.I guess we'll see. Realistically...I guess their best chances are Sasso and Lee. Shannon is apparently an academic question and Carr isn't leaving the State of Ohio. The funny thing to me is the pursuit of Teske... Iowa sees him as a 133? while ISU seems set at 133, so they must see him as a 125. IMO, getting Teske was more about beating the Hawks for a recruit than anything else.
BTW: Rumors on their site suggest several returning starters may not be buying into what KD and the staff are selling.
Just one person's opinion. I have no idea whether PSU is playing games with post-graduate remuneration through the NLWC and I am making no accusation to that effect. At all. But I do wonder why some extremely talented kids like Manville, Verkleeren, Cortez, Corey Keener, and one or both of Joe and Nick Lee are signing up for a wrestling program where they likely will be sitting on the bench for a large part, if not all, of their collegiate careers. PSU is a fine school, but it ain't Harvard, and my sense is there is some self-delusion among some PSU wrestlers about their future prospects. PSU has a high-class problem with their abundance of talent, and sure I'm envious. But Iowa and others can take comfort in the fact that PSU can only wrestle 10 guys at a time. At some point, Cael is going to be managing a lot of hurt egos.
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While some guys undoubtedly will sit:
• Cortez had no intention of missing most of 2016-17 to injury at the time he decided to transfer in, and he probably thought (knew) he controlled his own destiny if any other highly talented guys at his weight signed on thereafter.
• Keener is transferring in for a single season -- a season where 133 was a need weight for PSU. He won't be sitting unless Cortez is able to cut back down to 133.
• No indications thus far that N. Lee will be riding any pine during his career (barring injury, of course).
• TBD whether Manville will need to sit more than a year, if at all.
I think the vast majority of D1 wrestlers have at least a touch of self-delusion, with many having full-blown self-delusion. It's just the mindframe adopted in the sport -- no room for doubt in the mind if one is to succeed.
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I think the vast majority of D1 wrestlers have at least a touch of self-delusion, with many having full-blown self-delusion. It's just the mindframe adopted in the sport -- no room for doubt in the mind if one is to succeed.[/QUOTE]
I think the vast majority of D1 wrestlers have at least a touch of self-delusion, with many having full-blown self-delusion. It's just the mindframe adopted in the sport -- no room for doubt in the mind if one is to succeed.[/QUOTE]
Great post - totally agree. Dangling the carrot of club money post graduation. No contract, just verbally telling a recruit that the club will take care of you if you choose to take part in the club after graduation (most likely with performance stipulations). It's not against the rules, and PSU has a 5 million dollar payroll at it's disposal. There is no salary cap, and no set in stone "performance" stipulations to join the NLWC that are public, to my knowledge.
That is why i'm pretty sure that PSU isn't violating NCAA rules. They just aren't.
Is that a loophole? Yes. It's a loophole because wrestling is the only NCAA sport where the people who hire you after graduation (to continue your sport professionally) are the same people that recruit you. And the payroll of the club or RTC is completely funded by boosters. It's the wild west until they change the disclosure rules on scholarship money and club payroll money.
My two cents (again).
