WBB 16/17 Season
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A mystery season. At least their closing in on their goal of getting disterhoft leading scorer status. Can't figure out what really happened to buttenham? Why cera plays, while Stewart sits? I wonder if she just plays butt kissers.
It isn't really a matter of toughness. Iowa has tough players (Gustafson, Disterhoff, Davis, Doyle, Cera , etc.). It is a matter of playing style.
Iowa recruits to a system which is based on finesse. Running the floor, shooting the three, offense movement.
Unfortunately, the B1G officials refuse the call the game by the rules. They allow shoving, holding, hacking and pushing. That favors the teams with 270 LB unskilled players to gain the advantage. They use brute strength to overcome their lack of basketball skills. Allowing all the illegal contact is a lazy way of officiating. Too lazy and unwilling to make all the calls they should. When they are calling 5 games a week they are trying to get the game over and get on the next flight.
Iowa recruits to a system which is based on finesse. Running the floor, shooting the three, offense movement.
Unfortunately, the B1G officials refuse the call the game by the rules. They allow shoving, holding, hacking and pushing. That favors the teams with 270 LB unskilled players to gain the advantage. They use brute strength to overcome their lack of basketball skills. Allowing all the illegal contact is a lazy way of officiating. Too lazy and unwilling to make all the calls they should. When they are calling 5 games a week they are trying to get the game over and get on the next flight.
Oak there is some of this, but the games I got to see on TV against good competition this squad was just overwhelmed athletically. The inability for Iowa to play defense was not totally the fault of the officials. Against a team with any speed/athleticism at all, Iowa was forced to play zone defense exclusively to try and keep teams out of the lane. Then when teams did miss shots, Iowa was so slow to the ball, giving up repeated second chances. If you are going to play a skill/finesse game, you need to have the skill and finesse to make it work.
There are some very good pieces returning. Gustafson and Doyle are good players to build around. Meyer -- given normal improvement from one year to next -- will be good as well. But who else is there that reduces the gap between Iowa and Ohio State/Maryland? I don't know the answer to that.
Maybe cause Cera can defend Cofey unlike the rest of the post players...and she's not even a post plyer
Adjustments on defense were finally made in the 2nd half. Why did it take so long?? Why did Iowa let Coffey go to her left hand every time she attacked the basket. Defense was ridiculously poor in the first half with uncontested shot after shot in the paint. Just because Iowa players put their hands straight up in the air does not make good defense. Almost looks like players are coached to "defend" in that manner. Iowa was exploited yesterday on the blocks. Good defense is not letting someone get the ball and/or altering another players shot making it difficult for them to score. Fouling on occasion is ok. Knocking someone down is ok.
Rebounding effort on this team is embarrassing. How many Iowa players actually try and rebound on defense/offense? Too many waiting for Megan to get the board on D. Watch a recent game and count how many Iowa players attempt to move towards the ball when rebounding on offense or defense. Coaches need to demand players rebound. That's entirely on the coaches. You can talk about playing better defense but if you don't break bad habits such as demanding that your whole team rebounds then the result will be the same every time. Cera puts out that effort when rebounding so I expect coaches like that part of her game and likely one of the reasons she gets PT.
I agree with DodgeHawki that Iowa is not athletic enough to play man. Match ups are not in our favor and that won't change if coaches want to play Davis, Doyle, and Meyer together next year. Ally was required to guard the 4 on the other team this year and that's almost always created a size/strength mismatch for Iowa. Doyle or Meyer on the 3 player for the other team at 5'9 is not going to work either. This team won't be able to play effective man until Iowa can guard other teams 3's and 4's. Lots of work ahead for these players and these coaches.
Rebounding effort on this team is embarrassing. How many Iowa players actually try and rebound on defense/offense? Too many waiting for Megan to get the board on D. Watch a recent game and count how many Iowa players attempt to move towards the ball when rebounding on offense or defense. Coaches need to demand players rebound. That's entirely on the coaches. You can talk about playing better defense but if you don't break bad habits such as demanding that your whole team rebounds then the result will be the same every time. Cera puts out that effort when rebounding so I expect coaches like that part of her game and likely one of the reasons she gets PT.
I agree with DodgeHawki that Iowa is not athletic enough to play man. Match ups are not in our favor and that won't change if coaches want to play Davis, Doyle, and Meyer together next year. Ally was required to guard the 4 on the other team this year and that's almost always created a size/strength mismatch for Iowa. Doyle or Meyer on the 3 player for the other team at 5'9 is not going to work either. This team won't be able to play effective man until Iowa can guard other teams 3's and 4's. Lots of work ahead for these players and these coaches.
Cera averaged 2.0 rebounds a game? OLlinger avg. 1.6 in1/3 the time plus I believe she is much more athletic.
Olinger better be able to be around rebounds she's defending near the paint, not on the perimeter like Cera...what some of you don't understand,and what you shouldn't be commenting on, is what is being asked of these players. A lot of what they did well before they got here has been taken from them to fit the "system". If they want to get minutes they do what they are told to do. Period!!! Whether that's right or wrong that's the way it is! The coaches coach, the players play.
You have maybe 4 girls that have the green light to do what they want on that floor. The others play looking over their shoulder if they make mistakes...it is what it is.
Now, if you want to sell your soul to the "devil" to get these coveted "athletic" players, be careful what you wish for and the baggage and attitude that will most likely come with it. I know a highly successful mid major coach that couldn't take that crap anymore of getting these so called "athletic" players only to have to worry about them 24/7 in terms of what they were or weren't doing that would give the program a bad name, not to mention the lack of work in the classroom.
This is a young team with good hardworking kids on it. Did you really think they'd be challenging for the conference championship this year? If you did, then you know less about Bball than I thought.
I personally like the flow of this team with Meyer, Doyle and Cera on the floor at the same time. They play the game the right way. Unselfish, not worried about how many points they score and looking to make the right play, wether it happens or not, at this young stage of their career. One thing you can't take away from them is they give 100% at all times. Plus, they aren't going to embarrass the team or University by doing something stupid.
You have maybe 4 girls that have the green light to do what they want on that floor. The others play looking over their shoulder if they make mistakes...it is what it is.
Now, if you want to sell your soul to the "devil" to get these coveted "athletic" players, be careful what you wish for and the baggage and attitude that will most likely come with it. I know a highly successful mid major coach that couldn't take that crap anymore of getting these so called "athletic" players only to have to worry about them 24/7 in terms of what they were or weren't doing that would give the program a bad name, not to mention the lack of work in the classroom.
This is a young team with good hardworking kids on it. Did you really think they'd be challenging for the conference championship this year? If you did, then you know less about Bball than I thought.
I personally like the flow of this team with Meyer, Doyle and Cera on the floor at the same time. They play the game the right way. Unselfish, not worried about how many points they score and looking to make the right play, wether it happens or not, at this young stage of their career. One thing you can't take away from them is they give 100% at all times. Plus, they aren't going to embarrass the team or University by doing something stupid.
They came into the season with 5 FR and 4 Soph. This is a very young team. Coley and Buttenham were the JR. They lost Christina. Ally, Alexa, and Hailey were the SR. Ally being the only one who played much , until recently when Alexa was forced into action.
They have the RS coming off of Alexis Sevillian , and a good FR coming in, Jinaya Houston.
I didn't expect a conference title. But I did expect 20 wins and a NCAA berth. They could have done it. The talent is there, the experience wasn't. Now they have to embrace the post season and make as much of it as they can.
They have the RS coming off of Alexis Sevillian , and a good FR coming in, Jinaya Houston.
I didn't expect a conference title. But I did expect 20 wins and a NCAA berth. They could have done it. The talent is there, the experience wasn't. Now they have to embrace the post season and make as much of it as they can.
Couldn't agree more with that...There are hidden things people don't see. Give Cera the opportunity to shoot threes...she was 7 for 15....project that out. Not saying she would've been 50% 3 PT shooter but probably high 30's which is better than anyone else this year. Doyle's court vision is always a plus
I don't catch all of the post game shows, but one common theme from a year ago late-season (usually from coach Fitzgerald) was how errors on two or three possessions turned a W to an L, and how once those were corrected the team would see a lot more success. But they haven't been corrected, and you can go back over the schedule (for example South Dakota State, Illinois, Indiana, etc) and see that those cost the Hawks the NCAA tournament.
The sad part of the just previous commentary is that Iowa mostly plays with 4 guards and yet are less athletic than other teams. Also, with 4 guards playing mostly,it seems that the coach (Bluder) forfeits rebounds.
If what Oak says is true about refs calling games and rewarding less skilled players, I'd think by now Lisa would adjust and do what other teams have done. Get some girth and muscle in the game and not the type who are worrying about her uniform shorts length. I can't bear to watch Coley play basketball as she prances up and down the court in slow motion. She is the softest player I've seen play this year and she's a junior.
Lisa is a very nice lady. However, Iowa is set up for some very below average seasons over the next 3 years.
She is on the Tom Davis program , knowing how little the A.D. and fans expect. Schools in the Big 10 are adjusting and getting better and will leave Lisa behind.
This will be my last post this season on women's basketball.
If what Oak says is true about refs calling games and rewarding less skilled players, I'd think by now Lisa would adjust and do what other teams have done. Get some girth and muscle in the game and not the type who are worrying about her uniform shorts length. I can't bear to watch Coley play basketball as she prances up and down the court in slow motion. She is the softest player I've seen play this year and she's a junior.
Lisa is a very nice lady. However, Iowa is set up for some very below average seasons over the next 3 years.
She is on the Tom Davis program , knowing how little the A.D. and fans expect. Schools in the Big 10 are adjusting and getting better and will leave Lisa behind.
This will be my last post this season on women's basketball.
Turnovers have plagued them all year, but to be fair, if they foul one of the Indiana players just as Indiana threw the ball in with 3.6 seconds left and Iowa with a 3pt lead, Iowa wins that in regulation.
What exactly are you talking about by selling your soul to get athletic players. Are you saying that you can only have African-American players if you are willing to cheat? That sounds like things schools say that are getting their asses kicked by the opponent having better players. So Frese at Maryland is selling her soul to get good players? I can understand the OSU argument as the really good player on their roster had her Dad get a job on the OSU staff.
Bluder is a good coach. It's obvious the players on the team care for each other, are good citizens and play hard. That's all good. But the women's game is changing, moving toward greater emphasis on size, strength and athleticism.
Point made from OSU example. You think that's the only one in this country? And if there were enough size,strength, athletic players to go around then you'd have an argument. In men's bball there ain't much difference between the #1 team and the # 3 team. In women's bball it's a huge difference. Where do you think those kids wanna go? Iowa or nice warm places like out west? Just not enough to go around in the women's game.
They fired Tom Davis for this kind of performance. How much longer do we have to put up with this?
You aren't a fan of the Iowa Hawkeye women, so why would you care? It must really suck to live a life of negativity all of the time. Don't watch.
They fired Tom Davis for this kind of performance. How much longer do we have to put up with this? (from non posters)
We? You.
You are a troll. That is why you are going to the ignore list.
We? You.
You are a troll. That is why you are going to the ignore list.
Rutgers finished 3-13 under Stringer this year. The Big 10 has changed significantly since Stringer last was at Iowa. The addition of Maryland was a game changer but the Big Ten as a whole is much more competitive league. Purdue and Penn State used to be dominant now they're middle of the pack. Bluder has been consistent although she hasn't taken the program to the next level. That being said I'm not sure any coach would/could do much better given the level of competition in the Big Ten these days. If Bluder were to leave, I would guess Jennie B at Drake would be the top candidate to replace her.
Back in Vivian's time at Iowa it was pretty much Ohio State, Purdue, Iowa, then everyone else. It has changed a lot as several schools have proven to rise up & compete for a conference title for periods of time. Michigan St has maintained their success, PSU was always a strong program, Nebraska was strong, RU has a good history, & Maryland is top 5 nationally. We've seen a couple of schools make moves recently in Indiana & Michigan with their recruiting being really strong the last two years. I like Lisa Bluder, she represents Iowa well but hasn't done her best coaching job the last couple of years (my opinion.) If she were to leave Jan Jensen (Assoc HC) wants the job & has made it well known, mentioned again on a HR podcast a while back. I'd also like to see Jennie Baranczyk get considered but also a national search as Iowa has the resources & facilities to get a top level proven coach.
It's whomevers job opens up first between IU and ISU for Jennie B. She would be at the top of both of their lists. But, neither looks to be happening soon, so it will be interesting to see if Drake wins conf. tourney and an NCAA game how hot of a commodity she would become. She loves it at Drake and loves this state.
MBB 18-13 , 10-8 conference ,14-4 home, 3-7 away
WBB 17-13 , 8-8 conference , 14-3 home , 2-8 away
Both team with one great Senior. Both teams young, with FR and SO playing major minutes. Both teams with tough non-conference schedules. Both teams on the NCAA bubble.
The women's team lost their starting PG, had two out with concussions. The men had Jok with a bad back.
And yet, people are saying the MBB future is very bright, while the women are supposed to struggle for the next three years.
WBB 17-13 , 8-8 conference , 14-3 home , 2-8 away
Both team with one great Senior. Both teams young, with FR and SO playing major minutes. Both teams with tough non-conference schedules. Both teams on the NCAA bubble.
The women's team lost their starting PG, had two out with concussions. The men had Jok with a bad back.
And yet, people are saying the MBB future is very bright, while the women are supposed to struggle for the next three years.
A few thoughts from a season ticket holder and fan of both teams. The men have multiple shooters, multiple talented bigs with two more coming next year. Five freshmen and three sophomores made major contributions. The women need someone to step up as a shooter. They only have one big with none coming next year. The three freshmen that played show promise. Only two sophomores played and Tania's status for next year is unknown. The future just looks brighter for the men at this point.
Perception has to do with the men finishing strong, and the women not. But I agree the actual position of both teams is about the same -- both are in a very good place!
Jennie has done a heck of a job at Drake, but some seen to forget that Lisa also did well at Drake which got her the Iowa job. Lisa's Iowa teams have sometimes got some baffling assignments like being sent out to Spokane and also who can forget the OSU-Iowa game in the BIG tourney with that xy&# OSU player and the calls.
The last time Drake beat Iowa, Lisa Bluder was Drake's coach. Soon after, she got Iowa's job. This season Drake beat Iowa again. A precursor for something to come? For sure not going to happen soon, though. Iowa is still in pretty good shape.
Long time reader, first time poster. As for future of WBB, it seems to me that Gustafson and Doyle will leave Iowa as record setting players. From two years, they will be playing together. Others need to step up, but there are several prospects to fill supporting roles. Hanging with Maryland and OSU will be a challenge, but they should be only half a step behind if the coaching staff can learn to utilize available fouls at games end and they stop losing that game a year to a team which they should handle (this year at Illinois).
Let's see who they get for 2018. The verbal so far is Monika Czinano, a 6-3 post , who had 22 points and 18 rebounds last night to lead her team to the MN state tournament.
If the Hawks don't make the NCAA tournament, they will host a NIT game.
If the Hawks don't make the NCAA tournament, they will host a NIT game.
Looks like 4 B10 teams were picked for the NCAA - Maryland(RPI 16), Michigan State(42), Purdue (58) and OSU(27). Michigan (46), Indiana(51), PSU(87), NW(69), Minny(73) and us(64) presumably all candidates for the WNIT.
In other news, Iowa St(60) and UNI(52) each received at-large bids. Guessing that the committee put a lot of weight on Feb and March records.
In other news, Iowa St(60) and UNI(52) each received at-large bids. Guessing that the committee put a lot of weight on Feb and March records.
She doesn't recruit the right players to run her triangle offense... Quicker and more athletic girls are needed for that.
How well will it sit with the athletic department for Iowa to be the only Div I school in the state not to make the tournament?
No deserves to be taken seriously if he/she/it asserts that Iowa uses a triangle offense. Go away!
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