No; they do not. Not the receptionists, not the random people who work there.
They treat it like "flu". Only Covid spreads far far more easily, and there's NO CHANCE they would have taken the precautions we use TODAY back then.
Who still believes Covid didn’t come from a lab?
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No; they do not. Not the receptionists, not the random people who work there.
They treat it like "flu". Only Covid spreads far far more easily, and there's NO CHANCE they would have taken the precautions we use TODAY back then.
Translation: "I have no explanation for the holes you've poked in my argument here"
Man, those idiots at the NJH must work for china!!11!!11
That’s where I’m at. I wouldn’t be surprised it started in the Wuhan lab nor would I be surprised it came from the wet market.
I am willing to be open minded and will not exclude the lab as a possibility. However, just need to see the dot connection. Right now it sure looks like it emanated from the wet market as a zoonosis event. Which totally is against all these idiots who claim they know it started at the Clinic. They have no hard concrete proof it did just circumstantial and hypothesis. When you challenge them, they just say China is withholding the information. I can say I am Warren Buffet til I am blue in the face. Tell you, you can't disprove otherwise, and on an anonymous forum who could prove otherwise.
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Its like talking to 3rd graders. I agree...
Hospital workers always wear a mask when someone comes to the hospital for a respiratory illness. Especially if they are ill.
Your spreading lies.
The virus did not magically appear at the wet market though. So how did it get there? Where is the chain of people who should have been exposed?
I agree the wet market was a super spreader event, bit the virus got to the wet market from the lab.
As a previous nursing home adminstrator and also having some connections to healthcare in China having previously known some individuals in China, this is not true. You don't see nurses even now walking up and down the hallways with masks. PPE is generally only used with blood borne pathogens. Get a clue.
First, preventing spillovers by using a One Health strategy linking animal, human, and environmental health is vital. Some 60% of outbreaks of diseases previously unseen in humans arise from natural zoonoses. Human and animal populations could be separated more effectively with stricter regulation of wet markets and enforcement of laws prohibiting wildlife trade.
This, which I had noted in an earlier thread, is WHY China would rather keep the origin story "in limbo".
if it is 100% that it came from zoonotic spillover, that pressures the Chinese to close the wet markets. And they do not have the ability to cover the loss of food nourishment for those populations if those markets close. They CANNOT close them.
Thus, any conclusion that this was caused in wet markets is a no-go for them. They would rather we argue that controversy, than have a united front calling for them to shut down/ban wet markets.
Anyone with a fraction of dendritic activity in their brain knew it was from a lab in 2020.
Go walk into a hospital with a respiratory illness. You'll see people all over NOT wearing masks. And it'll be a few levels in before your PCP who sees you is wearing a mask (particularly, pre-Covid)
"Your" an idiot.
Lol….. I know!!!!! Why does it seem to be divided then amongst political parties? It is fairly obvious it came from a lab.
The way new viruses start which can start from numerous ways.
Are you under the belief all new viruses are created in labs?
You have to understand, these people are fundamentally ignorant. But confident.
This is what you would expect if the virus had a zoological origin and infected humans in the market.
If the market theory is correct then there would be no human chain.
How many covid outbreaks have started at the hospital?
If you are as smart as you think you are, then you should be able to find lots of examples.
Of course not all viruses are created in labs
But where do you think a novel virus comes from? Did is mutate right there in the wet market?
A zoological origin has to come from somewhere. So what animal did it come from, and where did it come from?
Let's say it was a bat. Did the bat live in Wuhan? Did the bat go to sleep one night and magically wake up with covid?
Was the bat from the jungle? Did in fly from the jungle, take a dump on some stuff in the wuhan market, and fly away, never to be seen again? Not a trace? If it came from a bat, it would have spread to anywhere that bat flew.
If you think it was a bat caught in the jungle, why didn't the people who captured the bat also get sick? Or the people in the market handling it?
This bat also has never been found. If this bat had covid, did none of its bat friends get covid? So this highly contagious virus will pass quickly among people but only 1 bat ever had it?
Why didn't we hear about bat to human transmission? It's not like we were able to kill the bat, so it should still be out there.
The fact is, the person who spread covid in the market was already sick when visitingthe market. In order to be contagious, they were likely 5+ ish days after exposure. They walked throughout the market and coughed on a lot of people.
Really? So since it has never happened, you don't think it's possible?
Gain of function research was being done at the wuhan lab. The term "Gain of function" literally describes how covid was created. Make a virus do something it could not do before, like be able to be transmissable between humans.
The researchers took a coronavirus that they found in a mine from 2012 that killed multiple miners, (but was not found to be transmission from human to human), and made it transmissible.
You can even read the articles the Wuhan lab researchers wrote.
I have a few questions for your natural origin theory.
1. Do you think covid came from a bat?
2. Where do you think the animal came from? (Jungle or city)
3. Was the animal caught?
4. Was it dead or alive in the wuhan market?
5. Why haven't we seen other animal to human transmissions from the source animals?
I have given scenarios for how I think a lab leak is a possibility, give a scenario how natural origin would happen.
No. It could have, but indications are there was an intermediate carrier, based on genetic examination of the virus. Google that if you'd like.
It came from the wild. That's why the wet-markets are an enormous risk for zoonotic transmission.
Of course it was caught. If it wasn't caught, it wouldn't have been in the Wuhan market.
Someone had it for dinner.
More than likely alive, originally (like most of the animals there).
But someone could have caught Covid from a fresh dead animal, too.
Alive makes the most sense, because it is a respiratory, not a bloodborne/contact virus.
LOLWUT?
We've seen nearly a half dozen in the past few decades.
SARs, MERs, Ebola, etc etc etc.
You should ask Italy.
They had a LOT in the initial outbreak. MANY hospital employees who got sick.
Of course, it would be simple for you to Google that, but that seems beyond your intellectual capabilities here.
You misunderstood my question.
Why didnt the guys who capture the bats all get covid? Or the animal caretakers, or the guys cleaning the cages?
The guys who went out to capture your covid bat know exactly where they get their bats from. Why don't we have reports of other people getting covid from those bats?
It would be nearly impossible for only 1 bat to have covid, so why can't we find them in nature?
I don't know where Covid came from so I haven't ruled anything in or out. Perhaps if you start a thread with the proven evidence from proven and adequate sources?
That does not qualify as a superspreader and you know that.
Where is the research showing that healthcare members died at a higher rate than the general population?
We don't have the kind of "proof" you are looking for, for ANY of those.
No one knows "exactly" which animal. We just sequence the viruses and find out which animal diseases they are closest to. Which is what was done with Covid.
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