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Why MAGA Wants to Betray Ukraine

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So the federal government wasn’t shut down over the weekend, although we may have to go through this whole drama again in six weeks. Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the House, ended up doing the obvious: bringing a funding bill to the floor that could pass only with Democratic votes, because the hard-liners in his own party wouldn’t agree to anything feasible. And the bill didn’t include any of the spending cuts Republicans have been demanding, except for one big, bad thing: a cutoff of aid to Ukraine.
Democrats appear to have agreed to this bill because they expect to get a separate vote on Ukraine aid; President Biden has indicated that he believes he has a deal with McCarthy to that effect. I hope they’re right.
But why did things turn out this way? Michael Strain of the right-leaning (but mostly not MAGA) American Enterprise Institute has called the fiscal confrontation the “‘Seinfeld’ shutdown” — that is, a shutdown about nothing. That’s a good line, but if we’re going to do popular culture references, I think it might be better to call it the “Network” shutdown, as in people shouting “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it anymore!”
Nothing short of a coup can satisfy this inchoate rage. But McCarthy evidently thought he could reduce the backlash against his deal with Democrats by betraying, or at least pretending to betray, Ukraine. That’s clearly something MAGA wants. But why?
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Whatever anti-Ukraine voices like Elon Musk may pretend, it’s not about the money.
Right-wing hard-liners, both in Congress and outside, claim to be upset about the amount we’re spending supporting Ukraine. But if they really cared about the financial burden of aid, they’d make the minimal effort required to get the numbers right. No, aid to Ukraine isn’t undermining the future of Social Security or making it impossible to secure our border or consuming 40 percent of America’s G.D.P.
How much are we actually spending supporting Ukraine? In the 18 months after the Russian invasion, U.S. aid totaled $77 billion. That may sound like a lot. It is a lot compared with the tiny sums we usually allocate to foreign aid. But total federal outlays are currently running at more than $6 trillion a year, or more than $9 trillion every 18 months, so Ukraine aid accounts for less than 1 percent of federal spending (and less than 0.3 percent of G.D.P.). The military portion of that spending is equal to less than 5 percent of America’s defense budget.

Incidentally, the United States is by no means bearing the burden of aiding Ukraine alone. In the past, Donald Trump and others have complained that European nations aren’t spending enough on their own defense. But when it comes to Ukraine, European countries and institutions collectively have made substantially larger aid commitments than we have. Notably, most of Europe, including France, Germany and Britain, has promised aid that is higher as a percentage of G.D.P. than the U.S. commitment.
But back to the costs of aiding Ukraine: Given how small a budget item that aid is, claims that aid to Ukraine somehow makes it impossible to do other necessary things, such as securing the border, are nonsense. MAGA types aren’t known for getting their numbers right or, for that matter, caring whether they get their numbers right, but I doubt that even they really believe that the monetary costs of helping Ukraine are insupportable.
And the benefits of aiding a beleaguered democracy are huge. Remember, before the war, Russia was widely viewed as a major military power, which a majority of Americans saw as a critical threat (and whose nonwoke military some Republicans exalted). That power has now been humbled.




Ukraine’s unexpectedly successful resistance to Russian aggression has also put other autocratic regimes that might have been tempted to engage in wars of conquest on notice that democracies aren’t that easy to overrun. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Russia’s failures in Ukraine have surely reduced the chances that China will invade Taiwan.
Finally, what even Republicans used to call the free world has clearly been strengthened. NATO has risen to the occasion, confounding the cynics, and is adding members. Western weapons have proved their effectiveness.
Those are big payoffs for outlays that are a small fraction of what we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, and let’s not forget that Ukrainians are doing the fighting and dying. Why, then, do MAGA politicians want to cut Ukraine off?
The answer is, unfortunately, obvious. Whatever Republican hard-liners may say, they want Putin to win. They view the Putin regime’s cruelty and repression as admirable features that America should emulate. They support a wannabe dictator at home and are sympathetic to actual dictators abroad.
So pay no attention to all those complaints about how much we’re spending in Ukraine. They aren’t justified by the actual cost of aid, and the people claiming to be worried about the cost don’t really care about the money. What they are, basically, is enemies of democracy, both abroad and at home.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/opinion/columnists/maga-republicans-ukraine.html
 
Imagine reading all that

What I want to know is what’s going on with the secret bio labs in Ukraine?

Expose the secret human trafficking that’s going on there as well.
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Matt Gaetz and crew basically got McCarthy tossed over Ukraine aid.

Him and his crew voted down the CR McCarthy put forward last week because it had Ukraine aid in it.

Gaetz and crew are gonna use cutting off Ukraine aid as a litmus test to support the next speaker the R's put forward.

Hopefully this Gaetz ethics report gives the R majority an excuse to toss the clown. There's some visceral hate for him amongst the majority of House R's.

Maybe at the end of this we get someone else to represent district 1 in Florida. I despise the the guy....very punchable.
 
If Biden and Dems wanted Ukraine to win, they would have provided massive military aid right up front instead of slow walking aid and prolonging the war. Doing that would have been cheaper in the long run.

Why are Dems willing to spend over $100B to secure Ukraine's border but are unwilling to secure the US border?
 
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If Biden and Dems wanted Ukraine to win, they would have provided massive military aid right up front instead of slow walking aid and prolonging the war. Doing that would have been cheaper in the long run.

Why are Dems willing to spend over $100B to secure Ukraine's border but are unwilling to secure the US border?
Lying magats.

 
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Lying magats.

You're using Biden's web site to prove a point? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Because Ukraine didn't get on their knees for Donald. Because Donald got impeached the first time for asking them to announce an investigation in to Biden, didn't even need to actually do it just say you are and they'll do the rest. Because Ukraine has made Trump's best friend look like an idiot instead of some kind of master chess player. Because Russian culture and beliefs align pretty closely with MAGA culture. Because Russia pushed Donald in 2016.
 
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Well, maybe if Biden hadn't broken the Treaty that was signed (by him) in 2014 that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to join NATO and EU, then Russia wouldn't have invaded. Biden and Obama single handily created the war. I also disagree with Russia invading, but I do get why they did. It has nothing to do with GOP being in the pocket of Russia, it has to do with Dems being in the pocket of Ukraine. You wanted to know why they don't support it, that is why.
 
Well, maybe if Biden hadn't broken the Treaty that was signed (by him) in 2014 that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to join NATO and EU, then Russia wouldn't have invaded. Biden and Obama single handily created the war. I also disagree with Russia invading, but I do get why they did. It has nothing to do with GOP being in the pocket of Russia, it has to do with Dems being in the pocket of Ukraine. You wanted to know why they don't support it, that is why.
It has everything to do with magats in the pockets of russia. You're just repeating the same lies you were told by magat news.
 
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A lot of words to just say they are compromised, and it’s to polish the image of Orange Jesus.
In Trump's townhall a couple of months ago on CNN he refused to condemn Putin for his unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. In fact, he described Putin as "smart and a strong leader." When asked, he incredibly refused to answer the question "who he wanted to win the war?" Just to be clear, Putin is a war criminal, a two-bit thug who has caused the displacement of 6 million Ukrainians, killed tens of thousands of Ukrainian military and civilians, and destroyed a trillion dollars worth of infrastructure. Trump claims he can end the war in 24 hours but refuses to say how that can be accomplished. He of course has no clue!
 
Politicians who think dropping support for Ukraine is a politically expedient course of action now clearly aren't paying attention to the sentiments and will of the American people. It's a very risky political gamble IMO.
 
The main outside suppliers of Russia are Iran and North Korea. That should tell you everything you need to know.
 
What's the current level of support for additional funding right now?

Polls vary. Here's a CNN poll. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html
Well, shocking that a large portion of Americans want to cut and run now with Russia continuing to fade in the field and the tide is turning, albeit slower than everyone would like to see. You'll never go broke underestimating most Americans lack of understanding and intelligence and completely missing the big picture implications.

Reversing now would result in much greater uncertainties over our national security concerns than allowing Ukraine to continue to remove the Russian scum from their country, one dead orc at a time.
 
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The main outside suppliers of Russia are Iran and North Korea. That should tell you everything you need to know.
That's like getting a like on HORT from Biggrey, Northern, Ryan, IMCC, Coffland14, Seminole97...
 
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Well, maybe if Biden hadn't broken the Treaty that was signed (by him) in 2014 that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to join NATO and EU, then Russia wouldn't have invaded. Biden and Obama single handily created the war. I also disagree with Russia invading, but I do get why they did. It has nothing to do with GOP being in the pocket of Russia, it has to do with Dems being in the pocket of Ukraine. You wanted to know why they don't support it, that is why.
Looks like they just hand out Silver level membership these days.
 
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Matt Gaetz and crew basically got McCarthy tossed over Ukraine aid.

Him and his crew voted down the CR McCarthy put forward last week because it had Ukraine aid in it.

Gaetz and crew are gonna use cutting off Ukraine aid as a litmus test to support the next speaker the R's put forward.

Hopefully this Gaetz ethics report gives the R majority an excuse to toss the clown. There's some visceral hate for him amongst the majority of House R's.

Maybe at the end of this we get someone else to represent district 1 in Florida. I despise the the guy....very punchable.
If he's kicked out will you clutch your pearls and blame the Dems?
 
Weird, I thought you’d be more concerned about the current situation since you’re a strong Ukraine supporter.
I am. I have contacted my members of Congress voicing my support for Democracy, and to remind them a strong Europe is critical to US security and economic interests.
This s*** is on Team Red, and the unwavering loyalty to Orange Jesus.
 
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I am. I have contacted my members of Congress voicing my support for Democracy, and to remind them a strong Europe is critical to US security and economic interests.
This s*** is on Team Red, and the unwavering loyalty to Orange Jesus.
Ok.

I’d rather have had McCarthy in there until Ukraine aid went through…we’ll see how it shakes out.
 
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