My thought immediately after the game was that Czinano fouled out with 3 minutes left in regulation and it felt like that happened an hour ago.Coach Stamp didn't know if Warnock would be able to go against OSU. Jamie never even asked Coach Bluder about it. Gotta say, she can be a bit of an air head.
She did have one comment I liked - she said it took 30 minutes to play the 5 minute overtime, and it felt like 2 hours, to which I agree
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Clarks antics about lost the game. Needs to learn to keep her cool.
I really don't think she intended to do it. You can see her react with shock immediately after making contact. Clark isn't that good of an actor, and she's not dumb enough to take a shot in that situation.
It took the 3 refs several minutes reviewing the play to call the flagrant on Clark, so I don't think anyone on here can say with certainty what happened. Iowa dodged a bullet.
The MSU girl was leaning into her. Appeared to be looking for contact on a dead ball. Seems pretty fishy that CC would clock her without provocation.
Braydon, congrats on the baby on the way.
Braydon, congrats on the baby on the way.
I just saw the play on Twitter and there was an arm tangled underneath Clark's that pushed Caitlin's toward the MSU player.
Molly Davis the savior tonight. Clark should buy her dinner
Clarks should doesnt move, so she didnt throw an elbow, but some part of her arm does appear to hit the girl on the chin. From the replay it does not seem to be possible to tell if that contact was initiated by Clark or if it was hand fighting with the other Michigan state player. My best guess is that #22 on MSU was hand checking, and Clark was dealing with that and the result was an inadvertent contact to the face of #5. MSU player #22(?) definitely seems to be engaged with Clark in some manner, but all we have to go on is body language of the players involved.
Here's my recap of the crazy game for those that missed it live:
https://iowa.rivals.com/news/no-10-iowa-84-michigan-state-81-winning-a-hot-mess
https://iowa.rivals.com/news/no-10-iowa-84-michigan-state-81-winning-a-hot-mess
Just remember: an ugly win is always better than an ugly loss
Lets just hope they can string together some good wins in the NCAA Tournament.
The current starting 5 have been the starters for 3 consecutive seasons. It's time to finally make some good noise.
Lets just hope they can string together some good wins in the NCAA Tournament.
The current starting 5 have been the starters for 3 consecutive seasons. It's time to finally make some good noise.
If we don't make it to the final 4 then there will be a lot of bitching and complaining. From both people on the forum and trolls....
People need to appreciate this team for what it is: a flawed and fun team that might get to a Sweet 16, hopefully after hosting 2 games (which could be tough to secure). But a Final 4 is a pipe dream. Teams with Iowa’s statistical profile (e.g. 294th in offensive rebound rate; 288th in opponent turnover rate; and 242nd in opponent points per play) don’t make the Final 4. In the advanced stats era (since 2010), no team that statistically looks like Iowa has made a Final 4.
I appreciate Bluder’s attempt to break the Final Four mold, and enjoy watching a team that features a generational player and a great 6-on-6 post scorer, but people need to adjust their expectations.
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Lisa said McKenna Warnock is day-to-day in her comments to Hawkeyesports.
Clark can’t let her emotions take over in a tight game like this. Regardless of different opinions in the end there, Clark popped her in the mouth. Shouldn’t have happen
Opposing players are gonna try to get into Clark's head. The Indiana gal (with the hyphenated name) last year was notorious for it.
She's gotta keep her cool. You can't hit someone in the mouth (even if by accident) & simply hope for the best from the officials.
Here's video of the crazy ending:
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This slows it down & makes it look not nearly as bad.
But again, IMO, you can't put it into the hands of the officials. Surprise, surprise, but the officials clearly weren't buying Bluder's explanation.
Watch here:
But again, IMO, you can't put it into the hands of the officials. Surprise, surprise, but the officials clearly weren't buying Bluder's explanation.
Watch here:
Agree completely--this is NOT a Final Four team barring shooting 55-60% or better from the field. They can't beat a good team, but might be able to outscore a good team (hopefully it's understood what I mean there) and win with all the right bounces. They simply can't play defense, have major issues protecting the ball, and stretches where they look like they all just met for the first time--things we've all been saying for a LONG time.
Entertaining to watch, maddening to watch, but a good--not great--team.
current ESPN projections have them as a 3 seed, hosting the first 2 rounds in Iowa City.
if they keep winning: #2 seed Notre Dame would likely be their Sweet 16 opponent & #1 seed Stanford would be their Elite 8 opponent.
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I listened to the game and didn’t know what to think. But after seeing it, that is not my vision of a flagrant foul. Not an elbow, no clear intent to make contact. If that is a flagrant, there are a lot of uncalled flagrant fouls in every game
Is that tweet suggesting the MSU girl grabbed, CC's arm, and used it to punch the other MSU girl drawing an intentional foul on CC? That is hilariously dirty if that's what happened. It's hard to see much from the video, and hard to believe CC would slap someone like that. I agree though as animated as she is and as much trash talking as she does, CC will continue to draw "cheap" calls like this (or the Damn it T)......until she learns to control her emotions a bit, we'll continue to see calls that we/CC don't agree w/.....
aka "the big brother 'why are you hitting yourself?' tactic"..........
it seems like there are a lot of interpretations on what the hell happened there.
I certainly appreciate good statistical arguments, but I think this one lacks a key piece of context. For most of women's basketball history, the sport has lacked parity. There have been a few elite teams every year, and the gap between the haves and the have nots has been pretty huge. You aren't going to find a ton of outlier profiles when the dominant teams are usually the only ones that make Final Fours.
This year, there just aren't many elite teams. South Carolina is elite, but they're arguably the only one. Stanford just lost to unranked USC. UConn can't stay healthy, and we played toe to toe with them on a neutral court when they were nearly as healthy as they're going to be this season.
Ohio State is another good example. The Buckeyes are #2 in the nation right now without their best player and with largely the same roster as last year. Iowa won't be favorites against Ohio State on Monday, but no one would be shocked if Iowa beats them.
I certainly don't think Iowa is likely to make the Final Four this year. This team has glaring flaws. But I don't think Iowa making a Final Four would be a complete shock either. Not in a year with so few truly elite teams.
My take is that Clark meant to move her arm, but didn't know the MSU player was there and hit her unintentionally.
I think if an MSU player hit Clark's arm in some way and forced her into the movement that we would've heard that defense from Bluder and/or Clark post game.
To me, it looks like that could have been planned. Just by the positioning of the the MSU kids. The girl with the bun seems in an odd spot for that inbounds play and the girl that got hit in the mouth certainly seems like she had a reaction planned. MSU being MSU?
But I'm biased.
How bout we quit making sorry excuses and just stay with the facts. CC made a blunder.
You make some very good points, especially about the shortage of elite teams opening up Final Four possibilities for other teams. And it will be interesting to see how this year plays out given those possibilities. But the argument that this time is different, whether it's about the stock market or sports, makes me skeptical.
In the last 5 years, the lowest ranked defensive team (Oregon 2019) to make the Final Four had the 11th ranked defense by Her Hoop Stats (HHS), and Oregon had the benefit of playing 4 games in Oregon en route to the Final Four. The other 19 teams to make the Final Four the last 5 years all had top 10 defenses. When Arizona "surprised" in 2021 as a non-elite team to make the Final Four, Arizona did so as the # 5 HHS defensive team.
If one or more non-Elite teams makes the Final Four this year, my guess is that the non-Elite teams will look a lot more like Arizona in 2021 in terms of defensive rating than this year's Iowa, with its current # 42 HHS defensive ranking. With Iowa's upcoming schedule, that ranking also seems likely to get at least a little worse. Still, I can pull for Iowa and hope that Caitlin Clark can somehow mimic Kelsey Plum in 2016, who led the one team to make the Final Four since 2010 (out of 96) that sort of looks like Iowa from a statistical perspective.
Because it's... not a fact? I've seen at least 3 different interpretations of what happened that are plausible.
I don't think she "made a blunder" personally.
From what my eyes see, it looks like her arm got caught in the middle girl's arms and it flew into a different girl's face.
JMO and I'm certainly not going to argue about it.
Only one person that knows the truth. Two if you believe in god.
Our friendly disagreement might also just be semantics. Last year I thought South Carolina and Stanford were near locks to make the Final Four. I gave UConn the 3rd best odds (but it had a tough matchup with NC State). NC State, Louisville, and Baylor all had good odds but not great ones. I didn't think anyone beyond those 6 teams had much of a chance. I thought Iowa had maybe a 1% chance.
This year, I think South Carolina is a near lock. Stanford and healthy UConn are in the next tier, though I think their chances this year are lower even than the odds I gave UConn last year. After that, the third tier is pretty open. I'd say Iowa has maybe a 5% chance to make the Final Four, and that's heavily dependent on Iowa's bracket. 5% is far from good, but also much better than last year. That's largely because there are so few elite teams.
i'm not one for making excuses, but this is my take as well. the girl who took the shot is leaning in with her face like they had this thing planned out and the other girl def looks like she raised her arm under and guided cc's into the jaw area. why would cc do that at that point in the game right in front of the refs? doesn't make any sense. msu had nothing to lose, might as well try something.
I cannot fathom the "planned out" claim by the video. The "set up" is not very plausible unless the black and gold colored glasses have strong lenses.
Iowa averages around 13 turnovers a game this year, so I wouldn't say they have major issues protecting the ball. Previous year's teams maybe, but not a big issue this year. But certainly last night it was not good.
I think its short sighted for people to think that Clark would have "intentionally" hit that girl. I mean think about it. 1) would she risk that at that point in the game. 2) Even harder to believe, would she risk injuring or even breaking her right hand on some girls face? I find that really hard to believe.....Pretty crazy too because Clark got smacked in the face in the last game and damn near knocked her out, but THAT was a basketball move, so no biggie....
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