26 UI student-athletes are being investigated for online gambling, incl in Wrestling, Men’s Basketball, Football, Baseball, Men’s track & field
- Thread starter Franisdaman
- Start date
This has the potential to remarkably change the outcome for Iowa’s wrestlers, and it’s retroactive!
Interesting - transfers may be saying WTF?
Who - Voinovich, Franek, Caliendo. Why - because it was fairly common knowledge that the wrestlers at or near those weights (Siebrecht, Kennedy, Brands) were likely going to be impacted by gambling penalties. Would you go somewhere, when you had limited time to compete, when you have maybe a 50/50 shot at winning the spot?
If the gambling punishments got reduced to 1/2 year or whatever length and the guys were able to wrestle would Nelson go 174 or 184? I feel like the team would be better off if he went 184 but he may be undersized to reach the podium.
165 Caliendo, 174 Kennedy, 184 Brands, 197 Assad/Franklin/Galzier or
165 Caliendo/Kennedy, 174 Brands, 184 Assad, 197 Franklin/Glazier
165 Caliendo, 174 Kennedy, 184 Brands, 197 Assad/Franklin/Galzier or
165 Caliendo/Kennedy, 174 Brands, 184 Assad, 197 Franklin/Glazier
I neglected to mention a decision is expected later this month from the NCAA. I assume the U of I would allow the updated guidance to be implemented. The key is athletes can’t have bet on their own team (as opposed to other teams from the same institution).
This deal is kind of like a roller coaster. Initially I had my hopes the group of seniors would get to compete at some point this season and then pretty much lost all hope. Now I'm back to thinking there's a possibility we could see them on the mat this season...
The only one this applies to is Caliendo. Voinovich is unaffected and Franek/Siebrecht is not a competition.
That also assumes the neither of the two were willing or wanting to go at a different weight.
It also assumes that Caliendo only made the decision to transfer because of a spot (from Brands) opening up. Maybe he is coming in thinking he will unseat Kennedy for 165 and is getting a NIL deal on top of it.
They all committed to Iowa before any suspensions were known and it flat out doesn’t apply to Voinovich, or really Franek either.
There’s now a real chance they will be reduced to zero this month.
Poor fool who bet the Hawks not to place top 5 this year. Start saving now for your payout.
Penalties have been too harsh?
You think?
You think?
First of all, oh enlightened one, I simply asked the question. I never claimed to have insider information or to be the bearer of guarded knowledge.
Iowa football could get back a defensive lineman starter, Noah Shannon.
Love this. From tonight's radio show:
Last edited:
The story from 9:05 pm tonight:
Kirk Ferentz hopeful that Noah Shannon could be reinstated from gambling suspension
Chad Leistikow
Des Moines Register
Oct 4, 2023; Updated 9:05 pm CT
A potential 11th-hour ruling by the NCAA could reinstate Iowa football player Noah Shannon to the field, perhaps by early November.
The NCAA's Committee on Athlete Reinstatement is reviewing punishments for gambling-related offenses. Previously, any athlete found to bet on sports involving his/her own school was subject to a permanent ban of eligibility. That was the case for Shannon, a 27-game starter on Iowa's defensive line who was ruled out for the season after placing a bet on a Hawkeye game (not football), according to head coach Kirk Ferentz. Under new guidance in such cases, there would be no eligibility loss on a first offense but the athlete would be required to go through education on sports-gambling rules and prevention.
Wednesday's bulletin said the reinstatement committee will complete its review by mid-October and a Council Coordination Committee would vote by late October. "The guidelines could potentially be applied retroactively," the NCAA said in the statement.
Ferentz, on his Wednesday-night radio show, expressed "happiness" that something good might come about for Shannon, but railed on the NCAA for taking so long.
“You would think since we had this breakthrough revelation (today) that maybe we could act on it in the next couple of days, have an emergency meeting (with) whoever's got to … rubber stamp all this stuff.," Ferentz said. "You'd think it might be something they could address in the very near future. But I realize we're all busy, too. I get that.
“I just hope it does go through and I hope Noah gets on the field this year, because it would be so well-deserved. And then the other side of me said, ‘Could this have taken place somewhere in May, June, July? Anytime before this season actually started and somebody's life was impacted?' And you get a little upset about it.
“It's unfair. And I think that's the problem with bureaucracies. Now the good news is at least we're getting a response here, like somebody's alive over there and paying attention.
“But if we get anything out of this, if there's a good break, then that's a positive. I'll look at the positive side.”
Noah Shannon's potential return in November would be a boost for the Iowa defensive line.
Shannon, who returned for his sixth-year senior season, has been enlisted as a student assistant after his NCAA appeal was denied in September.
According to the NCAA, athletes who compromise the integrity of the game or bet on their own team (as was the case for former Hawkeyes Aaron Blom, Reggie Bracy, Arland Bruce IV and Jack Johnson as well as several Iowa State players) will still face permanent loss of eligibility.
At Iowa's media day, Shannon was determined to move past this no matter what happened. But he wanted to play more than anything.
“One big thing for me is I’ve been telling myself: I’m not going to let this define me in any way, shape or form,” Shannon said on Aug. 11. “Life goes on. So whenever — I don’t know when the NCAA will come out with the ruling, but I’ll be ready."
If the new guidelines go through, that could also could be a boon for Iowa wrestling, which reportedly had as many as six athletes, including multiple starters, suspended for gambling.
Iowa football has its lone off Saturday on Oct. 28, but plays Northwestern at Wrigley Field in Chicago on Nov. 4, followed by two home games vs. Rutgers (Nov. 11) and Illinois (Nov. 18) then a road finale at Nebraska (Nov. 24). The best-case scenario would have Shannon available for those four games plus the postseason, which would be a big help for a defensive line that has struggled to get pass pressure.
“It’s a better deal for winter sports or spring sports, and I'm happy for anybody who is affected by that,” Ferentz said. “Again, if we're talking about Noah's situation, he was … extremely upfront, very transparent about everything he had done, did nothing criminal. And he did bet on a basketball game, I think. And I just don't think that's a capital crime. I know, rules are rules. I've heard that before, and policies are policies. But sometimes a little common sense and judgment goes a long way.”
Kirk Ferentz hopeful that Noah Shannon could be reinstated from gambling suspension
Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz hopeful that Noah Shannon's NCAA suspension could be lifted.
www.hawkcentral.com
Would love to see Noah be able to play at Wrigley since he’s an Illinois guy.
Everyone was planning on wrestling and still is . Everyone will be good to go if the gambling situation is a nothing burger
Right now it looks like no Iowa wrester will miss one single meet.
I am glad the UI has been fighting this. Kirk Ferentz has been very vocal; would love to know what Beth Goetz, the Brands brothers, etc. have been doing behind the scenes.
So, Keuter? Gotta wonder whether his plan gets tweaked in light of this.
Plus, seriously we needed this turnaround to make the season remotely interesting.
Plus, seriously we needed this turnaround to make the season remotely interesting.
Last edited:
Did Brands finish his undergrad? He's been in college for 6 years. LOL. There was talk last year about whether he would come back even before anything was known about the gambling or the suspension. The 7th year seniors (everywhere, not just at Iowa) haven't really fared too well. My guess is that the lineup should shake out like this if the suspensions are reversed:
149 Voinovich
157 Franek
165 Kennedy or Caliendo
174 Caliendo or Kennedy
184 Assad
197 Franklin (or AJ if the NCAA decides to look the other way at sexual assault, too...)
HWT Cass
Out: Siebrecht (back for next year), Brands (moving on with life as he was planning anyway).
149 Voinovich
157 Franek
165 Kennedy or Caliendo
174 Caliendo or Kennedy
184 Assad
197 Franklin (or AJ if the NCAA decides to look the other way at sexual assault, too...)
HWT Cass
Out: Siebrecht (back for next year), Brands (moving on with life as he was planning anyway).
Why are you making this a thing with Brands? You have another guy listed in Cassioppi who's in the exact same situation as Brands. Why are you not making this a thing about him?
6th year guys are everywhere in college sports the past several years. So weird you've made this a thing about one guy. Who, by the way, will be back as the "talk" was just that.
Are you Brands' burner account? LOL. It's nothing personal towards him. The difference between Brands and Cass is that Brands might not have a spot. I don't see him beating out Kennedy or Caliendo, so he'd have to go up a class and challenge Assad, which is not really likely either. Unless Keuter wrestles, Iowa doesn't have a viable HWT outside Cass.
I kept opening this thread day after day hoping for good news. This is even better than I was hoping. Lesson learned for these guys and move on. Iowa's upper weights just got a lot better. Do we see Caliendo at 165, PK at 174, Brands at 184, and Assad at 197?
I think that I agree with you that he would beat Kennedy. Badly - not so much. Brands doesn't beat anyone badly.
Don't turn this on me. You're the one that made it weird. Again, 6th year guys are everywhere so why call him out and LOL?
You don't see him beating out Kennedy or Caliendo? I do, and I venture to guess he does, too.
Maybe not his ideal weight, but he's no slouch at 174. Can you point to a single ranked guy Brands beat "badly" last year? He had a 4% bonus rate.
I'd bet a lot of money, that's a 1-2 takedown match at most either way. Neither of them score much.
Seems odd that they would consider doing it retroactively. Great if you are winter/fall athlete but doesn't do a lot for fall athletes.
As for the NCAA looking the other way towards Ferrari's legal issues, they have no interest one way or the other. Not an NCAA matter.
I believe we will see larger margins of victory out of Brands this year (if gambling doesn't make him the season).
He's not recovering from Tommy John surgery and hasn't wrecked his motorcycle, requiring another surgery. Coming back from what he did and placing 5th at the National Tournament is pretty impressive. I think a healthy and confident Nelson will be a lot of fun to watch this season.
