Anyone still an undecided?
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Never voted, no reason to start putting my faith into any one of those morans now.
Well, that's essentially what happened,.. there are degrees of gracefulness.
Through an existing major party. It's that simple. There is no other path unless you want to put in the hard work to build a party from the ground up. You have to WIN elections at the local and state level. Get congressional seats. Elect governors. Elect a few senators. Demonstrate a f'n ability to succeed and lead. THEN go for the presidency.
LOL...you have no more singular control in the race for governor yet you vote. Senator? You vote. Representative? You vote. If not being able to personally hand-pick the candidate is what turns you off...don't vote. Ever.
Such a hopeless view. Basically, pick whats presented, if you don't like it- tough shit?
I will for whoever doesn’t support Bernie Sanders and The Squad. A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for them.
Pick whoever or whatever you like. Pick Winnie the fvcking Pooh. Just quit pretending you're engaged in some noble activity. You're just saying you'll take whoever everybody else chooses. That's your moral high ground. Pffft!
Since you haven't addressed this, I'll give you another chance:
I'm pretending I'm being noble or moral? I'm using my vote how I see fit- its assholes like you who try and shame people for doing so; or tell them its a futile exercise. While you might believe two party is all we will ever have, doesn't mean I will have to accept it.
Arguing with you is a futile exercise, and yet here I am.
The scenario where he is consistently allowed to debate Biden and Trump.
I've posted on the utter futility of the every-four-years-third-party party. You just responded to a post in which I did so. You simply ignored it. You can't elect a third-party representative. You can't elect a third-party governor. You can't elect a senator. In the 50 largest cities in the US, exactly ONE is led by a mayor who is neither D nor R...and he's an independent. And I'd bet in every one of those races you vote binary. But somehow the race for president is different. The ONLY race where having three viable parties would be catastrophic is the only one third-party-pushers care about. It's ridiculous. Build a third party that can win elections...plural... at multiple levels of governance or STFU about the presidency.
You're going to get a president from one of two parties. Period. Not voting or voting for a meaningless third party is literally saying you'll take the candidate you like the least. Now - if you honestly think there is zero room between Biden and Trump, have at it. Don't be surprised when people think you're an idiot.
BWAHAHAHA!!! Awesome. Now...how does he actually win the presidency? Do you honestly believe that RFK Jr can win a majority of the EC? Seriously?
See @TennNole17 , this is the kind of delusion I'm talking about.
I don't think he could win but he could steal a vote or two. All I am saying is should be allowed on a debate stage
He's not carrying a single state. He will draw support from the candidate with whom he has the most in common. Who do you think that would be?
You're talking Biden right? The Kennedy family is Democrat and he wanted to run as a Democrat but since he wanted to run this year he had to leave the Democrat Party and go IND since it was clear the Democrats wanted Democrat Joe Biden to be the Democratic nominee for the people who want to vote Democrat in October.
I'm not talking anyone...I'm asking you. Do YOU think he's closer on the issues to Biden or Trump?
Not sure but based off these forums wanting or voting for a 3rd party is stupid. So based off that logic I only have two options and two options only, so I would say since he is/was/is a Democrat he is closer to Biden.
Definitely not Trump, Haley or Biden.
Either Libertarian/Independent or not at all.
Your solitary vote won't swing an election and if voting actually changed things we wouldn't be allowed to do it.
Either Libertarian/Independent or not at all.
Your solitary vote won't swing an election and if voting actually changed things we wouldn't be allowed to do it.
I'm not limiting my desire for a third party to just the presidency- Politics in general. The parties now are too far apart, there's got to be room for something in the middle. As mentioned in the Atlantic article:
For much of American political history, thus, the critique of the two-party system was not that the parties were too far apart. It was that they were too similar, and that they stood for too little. The parties operated as loose, big-tent coalitions of state and local parties, which made it hard to agree on much at a national level.
From the mid-1960s through the mid-’90s, American politics had something more like a four-party system, with liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alongside liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. Conservative Mississippi Democrats and liberal New York Democrats might have disagreed more than they agreed in Congress, but they could still get elected on local brands. You could have once said the same thing about liberal Vermont Republicans and conservative Kansas Republicans. Depending on the issue, different coalitions were possible, which allowed for the kind of fluid bargaining the constitutional system requires.
But that was before American politics became fully nationalized, a phenomenon that happened over several decades, powered in large part by a slow-moving post-civil-rights realignment of the two parties. National politics transformed from a compromise-oriented squabble over government spending into a zero-sum moral conflict over national culture and identity. As the conflict sharpened, the parties changed what they stood for. And as the parties changed, the conflict sharpened further. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats went extinct. The four-party system collapsed into just two parties.
I don't put my faith in them, I just want to keep the GQP out of office
Ok...so if you place RFK Jr, Biden, and Trump on a continuum and had to rank choice vote, you'd choose RFK Jr - Biden - Trump. Trump is the candidate you least want to see elected. But a vote for RFK Jr in the presidential election is a vote "stolen" (your term) from Biden most likely...making Trump's path to a win one vote shorter.
And if enough people choose the same way, Trump - the candidate you LEAST want to win - wins. Thanks to the people who voted for the candidate who never had a chance of winning. People who think like that voted for Nader in 2000 - who was FAR closer to Gore than to Bush - and ABSOLUTELY elected W. It's moranic.
The thing these “third parties” get wrong is that they are not real political parties, at all. If they were they would start at state legislatures, build a foundation that allows them into increase their base to the point that they win some seats in Congress. Hopefully a Senator or governor. Then, when they are relevant, they could try running a Presidential candidate.
When you run a Presidential candidate with no foundation of support in Congress or elsewhere, you’re not trying to establish a new party. You’re just grandstanding.
97,000 Floridians voted for Nader. If 1000 of them vote for Gore,Gore wins. If 5,000 of them voted for Gore, it wouldn’t have even been controversial.
And they'll give you the same excuses as those populating this thread while VEHEMENTLY denying responsibility for the outcome.
