Nope, not even close. Nick Moore would be a candidate, tho.
Big Ten Finals(and 3rd/5th) discussion
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He had Shakur Rasheed MFF the Big 10 Final to Myles Martin as well. Some PSU fans have short memories and only want to bash Brands.
It was the right move then and now.
Brooks has close matches here and there - he’s the top guys but def not by a big margin - he’s not in his own league for sure
You’re shocked that Brands is doing what’s in the best interest of his wrestlers? You must not listen to him talk.
Based on what criteria? Its not like he's ever even been the face of the program. He has a great shot at being a 5 time all american
Agreed. Nobody is overrating Jacob Warner. He's good, not great. I wish he was great, but he's ours and seems like a great kid, so fine by me.
It can be both a really bad look and the right decision that I back fully.
If they called stalling like they did in the eighties and nineties it fixes this. If you rode just to ride, they called stalling (on top) and stalemates quickly. If no one shot or pushed the action in neutral they called double stalls. The refs forced the action. Problem is it opens everything up to inconsistently calling matches depending on the ref, which would happen. It is making for some boring matches now if neither wrestler is aggressive now though.
I only see GS getting beat if something crazy happens, and he gets caught on his back.
That's stupid. Cass earned second.
How can it hurt seeding more than a loss which it would have been anyway in Cass's situation and likely Eierman as well if his knee is torn up? I don't think either of those 2 care if they count them as a loss considering they were wrestling #1 guy.
It's fine then because they have legit issues.
They sat Stallrocci vs two of the better guys in the conf because his wrist was sore.
Not if they had giant leg braces and shoulder harnesses on dipshit. Not a single person disparaged Rivera because it was clear he was battling an injury, I believe Nolf did something similar years ago.
A lot of new user names showing up today we’ve never seen all season. Who are they? Probably the uninformed with respect to they injuries the guys are dealing with.
So guys with torn up knees should wrestle a meaningless match and potentially be even more hurt before nationals to appease TV and fans? Great logic. And yes the matches were meaningless because they are going to be seeded as Big Ten runner ups either way. They didn't gain anything vs wrestling hurt and losing to the #1 guy except possible saved health.
The whole argument about MFF as a way ducking is funny because:
1. The NCAA committee dings you (see Kemerer and Nolf in 2019).
2. If Cassioppi was trying to protect a seed, then not wrestling Kerk would have been the ticket I guess (although see #1).
--Everybody gets beat by GSteve. No shame in it and the NCAAs won't see this as a non loss.
--Same dumbasses talking this junk would have been like, "Well if he was injured, he shouldn't have sent him out there" if Cass takes a season ender against GSteve. Cass can control the pace and protect his leg against anybody but he can't do it against Steveson because GS imposes his will against everyone.
Here is Cass vs Hilger where Hilger bends Cass's knee against the joint before the ref called PD.
3. Tom (right or wrong) was the same guy who threw Desanto under the bus for overreacting vs RBY in the 2020 dual. They got on him about that too.
If one wants to make the argument that the fans got cheated, then so be it. I hate the fact that Iowa is going into the tourney as the walking wounded but guys like Ayala, Eierman, Max, Kemerer didn't come in with owies but with legit injuries. None of our four guys gained anything by MFFing out. In fact, it's going to hurt Kemerer's seeding.
1. The NCAA committee dings you (see Kemerer and Nolf in 2019).
2. If Cassioppi was trying to protect a seed, then not wrestling Kerk would have been the ticket I guess (although see #1).
--Everybody gets beat by GSteve. No shame in it and the NCAAs won't see this as a non loss.
--Same dumbasses talking this junk would have been like, "Well if he was injured, he shouldn't have sent him out there" if Cass takes a season ender against GSteve. Cass can control the pace and protect his leg against anybody but he can't do it against Steveson because GS imposes his will against everyone.
Here is Cass vs Hilger where Hilger bends Cass's knee against the joint before the ref called PD.
3. Tom (right or wrong) was the same guy who threw Desanto under the bus for overreacting vs RBY in the 2020 dual. They got on him about that too.
If one wants to make the argument that the fans got cheated, then so be it. I hate the fact that Iowa is going into the tourney as the walking wounded but guys like Ayala, Eierman, Max, Kemerer didn't come in with owies but with legit injuries. None of our four guys gained anything by MFFing out. In fact, it's going to hurt Kemerer's seeding.
Yeah 3x AA. Stupid comment
A benchmark of success for Iowa wrestlers should never be "All-American" status... I mean NCAA Wrestling awards 80 of those every year, which is truly crazy.
How about we don't lump someone bearing witness to the religious faith that is at the core of who he is and is a part of his wrestling with divisive political messages (I'll skip the examples as I don't want to devolve to there).
Definitely not AA, especially when you also consider in those same four years that Warner has wrestled, up to 316 different wrestlers could have also earned AA status. It's just not as elite of a status as other sports, such as basketball.
There's also only 78 D-1 wrestling schools, which means 10% of all starters earn AA status. Could you image if 10% of all D-1 football starters earned AA status each year? You're looking at over 280 All-Americans for comparison.
I would argue only finalists should earn AA status, 1st and 2nd place finishers. That would make 20 total All-Americans each year.
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If Iowa didn’t/doesn’t care about Big Ten championships, then the names of Big Ten champions would not be on the wrestling room wall.
I disagree. If Desanto doesn’t adjust, then his career gravestone will read “Here lies AD. All American. He Shot a lot.” RBY is doing it within the framework of what wrestling is today…not defining it. Like the Bull did today…about the best you could say is he got the job done. The main difference between the two is that when PSU does it, it’s cagey and tactical acumen but when Iowa does it…it’s push em to the edge of the mat etc.
Just more typical chicken 💩 refereeing. It's becoming the norm.
And if wrestlers can get away with it of course they're going to wrestle that way.
Well Iowa must think something of it because their names go up on a wall.
I remember thinking like this years back…a buddy of mine told me that his bro finished 5th or 6th at NCAAs. I remember responding with a “meh” kind of answer. But after following the sport for years, seeing a guy AA has taken on a whole new meaning.
Young and Warner catch a lot of shit but we need guys like that on the backside if we hope to win titles.
So it's a disgrace...unless they have a legit issue?
Who decides what is and isn't legit? You?
I'll await your update on Kem, Eierman and Cass Dr. Dipchit.
Someone should tell Ironside there were also a lot more 4 timers when the conference was crappier.
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