Girls left in dust as male-born transgender athletes take state track titles in five states

[goldmom]

I wonder how the PARENTS feel.

Yes, you always want to support Little Jane and Johnnie, but there's this word called FAIRNESS.

If you are a parent of a girl who loves being involved in sports and you’ve spent countless hours and money in that sport as they grow older and it becomes more competitive you would absolutely understand why a man who won’t allow his penis to be removed, takes some estrogen, walks on the field or the court or the natatorium and says “I’m a girl” is not welcome.
The person is still likely taller, heavier, has a different bone structure, a different pelvic structure, and frankly will have an immediate advantage over your daughter and her teammates.
If your daughter is hoping to gain a scholarship to college and achieve that goal, best of luck.

 

[ButtersHawk]

I'm just gonna chalk this up as stubborness and tribal "my team" ideology.
None of us are getting a smart or thoughtful response from Huey until July 1st...

 

[goldmom]

Except abortion affects half the fvcking population moron

Interesting. If ALL the population accepted mutual responsibility for birth control abortion would be as Hillary Clinton correctly noted “safe, rare, and legal”. Cause it does take two, moron. 🤔
But guys don’t wanna wear a condom and young stupid women are afraid to say No Glove No Love.
Thanks for bringing that up!

 

[Hans81]

Yes. So common sense and easy to prove that for whatever reason you're completely unable to do so.

You’re just being silly and argumentative for argument sake. It would be like me saying to you…”prove” to me you need to breath to live. No proof needed…it’s just known fact.

 

[goldmom]

I'm just gonna chalk this up as stubborness and tribal "my team" ideology.
None of us are getting a smart or thoughtful response from Huey until July 1st...

Is that when he gets a brain transplant?

 

[goldmom]

I think some posters in this thread should just admit it's not about necessarily competitive advantage, it's that they think it's "icky" and they want make sure trans are ostracized.

Is that a fact or is that your opinion? Who thinks it’s “icky”?

 

[Franisdaman]

I wonder how the PARENTS feel.

Yes, you always want to support Little Jane and Johnnie, but there's this word called FAIRNESS.

at what level of competition (high school, college, etc) do they test for testosterone levels where if the trans female's level is too high they can't compete?

Hell, I plead ignorance; I would need to google it to see if the Olympics are allowing trans females to compete.

The toothpaste is out of the tube. Sports at all levels are going to have to figure out the rules for trans athletes.

 

[goldmom]

at what level of competition (high school, college, etc) do they test for testosterone levels where if the trans female's level is too high they can't compete?

Hell, I plead ignorance; I would need to google it to see if the Olympics are allowing trans females to compete.

The toothpaste is out of the tube. Sports at all levels are going to have to figure out the rules for trans athletes.

I think that there is some level of pushback. “Lia” Thomas was declared ineligible for the Olympics.

If persons who have undergone a change wish to have their own avenues to compete then that is their business.
I recall 30 years ago when Dr. Renee Richards competed in tennis. Very limited success but the age of transition was older and physical ability to perform at a high level was past regardless.

 

[Huey Grey]

That’s their problem.

So it's not really about fairness then.

 

[goldmom]

Poor, Huey. Ever the idiot.

FIFY

 

[Crafty Beaver]

If there are no inherent advantages, then shouldn't there be a roughly equal/proportional number of examples of females transitioning to males having athletic success? It seems like there are an abundance of examples of M--->F athletic success. Can Huey point to similar #'s of F--->M athletic success?

 

[Huey Grey]

at what level of competition (high school, college, etc) do they test for testosterone levels where if the trans female's level is too high they can't compete?

Hell, I plead ignorance; I would need to google it to see if the Olympics are allowing trans females to compete.

The toothpaste is out of the tube. Sports at all levels are going to have to figure out the rules for trans athletes.

Why? Trans have been competing since at least the 70s. And for 40+ years this wasn't an issue. Nobody cared. But suddenly it became an issue just recently. Why?

 

[Huey Grey]

FIFY

More name calling instead of links. No surprise there.

 

[Huey Grey]

If there are no inherent advantages, then shouldn't there be a roughly equal/proportional number of examples of females transitioning to males having athletic success? It seems like there are an abundance of examples of M--->F athletic success. Can Huey point to similar #'s of F--->M athletic success?

I have in many other threads.

 

[Huey Grey]

If you are a parent of a girl who loves being involved in sports and you’ve spent countless hours and money in that sport as they grow older and it becomes more competitive you would absolutely understand why a man who won’t allow his penis to be removed, takes some estrogen, walks on the field or the court or the natatorium and says “I’m a girl” is not welcome.
The person is still likely taller, heavier, has a different bone structure, a different pelvic structure, and frankly will have an immediate advantage over your daughter and her teammates.
If your daughter is hoping to gain a scholarship to college and achieve that goal, best of luck.

Name one girl who was denied a scholarship because she lost to a trans athletes. Just one and I'll shut up in this thread.

 

[goldmom]

More name calling instead of links. No surprise there.

Doh. Huey, you’re just a sad feller.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

This only took me two seconds. Why's it taking an entire day for the transphobes?

Why Is the Sky Blue? | NASA Space Place – NASA Science for Kids

Learn the answer and impress your friends!

spaceplace.nasa.gov

Haha. That’s a scientific study? Oh then I have one as well.

Here you go. Here’s an actual study.

Key findings of the statement are as follows:

• Biological sex is a determinant of athletic performance: adult males are faster, stronger, more powerful than females because of fundamental sex differences in anatomy and physiology dictated by sex chromosomes.

News Detail

www.acsm.org

• Direct and indirect effects of testosterone during male puberty include increase skeletal muscle mass due to larger muscle fiber cross-sectional area, especially fast, type II fibers; lower percentage body fat; higher hemoglobin concentration and mass; larger ventricular mass (heart) and cardiac volumes; larger airways and lungs; greater body height; and longer limbs.
• Adult males are stronger, more powerful, and faster than females of similar age and training status. The sex difference in athletic performance where endurance or muscular power is required is roughly 10-30% depending on the event.

 

[Huey Grey]

Haha. That’s a scientific study? Oh then I have one as well.

Here you go. Here’s an actual study.

Key findings of the statement are as follows:

• Biological sex is a determinant of athletic performance: adult males are faster, stronger, more powerful than females because of fundamental sex differences in anatomy and physiology dictated by sex chromosomes.

News Detail

www.acsm.org

• Direct and indirect effects of testosterone during male puberty include increase skeletal muscle mass due to larger muscle fiber cross-sectional area, especially fast, type II fibers; lower percentage body fat; higher hemoglobin concentration and mass; larger ventricular mass (heart) and cardiac volumes; larger airways and lungs; greater body height; and longer limbs.
• Adult males are stronger, more powerful, and faster than females of similar age and training status. The sex difference in athletic performance where endurance or muscular power is required is roughly 10-30% depending on the event.

Now do the effects of suppressed testosterone. Wait. I've already have in this thread.

What does the science say?

Research into how transitioning affects athletic ability remains limited.

In April, a study funded by the IOC stated that trans women were at a physical disadvantage compared to women born female across several areas, including lung function.

Bone-density was also found to be the same for athletes born female and those who transitioned.

"While longitudinal transitioning studies of transgender athletes are urgently needed, these results should caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research," the researchers wrote in their conclusion.

In 2021, a study by Britain's Loughborough University found that hormone therapy decreased strength, lean body mass and muscle area in trans women after 12 months, but overall levels still remained higher than non-trans women after three years

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Just going to gloss over this?

"What does the science say?
overall levels still remained higher than non-trans women after three years"

 

[bhawk24bob]

The left is really making this too easy for Trump.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Don’t care about screwing over countless number of female competitors all so one boy can feel better about himself.

 

[gohawks50]

Is that a fact or is that your opinion? Who thinks it’s “icky”?

It's my opinion that when you refuse to call them girls or transgender girls you want to deny gender dysphoria is even a condition. It's my opinion when you compare them to thieves and scoundrels you think they are inherently bad. It's my opinion when you say let them see how weird they are, you think they are icky. Do you disagree?

Feel free to go back through the thread if you want the posters' names.

 

[Huey Grey]

I've got nothing to hide. It's why I included this portion in my post. You going to address the first part at all?

 

[goldmom]

It's my opinion that when you refuse to call them girls or transgender girls you want to deny gender dysphoria is even a condition. It's my opinion when you compare them to thieves and scoundrels you think they are inherently bad. It's my opinion when you say let them see how weird they are, you think they are icky. Do you disagree?

Feel free to go back through the thread if you want the posters' names.

Thieves and scoundrels? Really?
If they still have a penis they are not a girl. End of discussion.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Now do the effects of suppressed testosterone. Wait. I've already have in this thread.

What does the science say?

Research into how transitioning affects athletic ability remains limited.

In April, a study funded by the IOC stated that trans women were at a physical disadvantage compared to women born female across several areas, including lung function.

Bone-density was also found to be the same for athletes born female and those who transitioned.

"While longitudinal transitioning studies of transgender athletes are urgently needed, these results should caution against precautionary bans and sport eligibility exclusions that are not based on sport-specific (or sport-relevant) research," the researchers wrote in their conclusion.

In 2021, a study by Britain's Loughborough University found that hormone therapy decreased strength, lean body mass and muscle area in trans women after 12 months, but overall levels still remained higher than non-trans women after three years

Why are you changing your tune now?

A poster said “Well that's great because I heard Lebron James, Jon Jones, and Shohei Ohtani are switching genders. I'll let the female athletes in their respective sports know that Huey Grey on HROT said they have no advantage.”

And you responded
“Post the studies. If it's clear that they have an advantage it should be easy for you.”

It’s clear that you don’t believe Lebron James would have an advantage over the members of the WNBA. Now you’re talking about testosterone.

Why won’t trans advocates support trans men being put in men’s prisons? They’re obviously not at physical disadvantage according to you. Cafeteria style science and beliefs is awesome.

 

[Huey Grey]

Thieves and scoundrels? Really?
If they still have a penis they are not a girl. End of discussion.

And now we're in the pure bigotry portion of the thread.

 

[DooBi]

Let's get honest. The opposition to trans athletes is political not scientific. If you want to claim that trans athletes should be banned because of political or cultural reasons, have at it. But what you cannot claim is that it's because of scientific reasons. Because science can find no clear advantage.

New report finds that trans women athletes have no unfair advantage in elite sports — Mount Holyoke News

By Emily Tarinelli ’25 Sports Editor For the first time ever, a report titled “Transgender Women Athletes and Elite Sport: A Scientific Review” has shown that no existing scientific literature has proven trans women to have inherent competitive advantages over cisgender women in high-performance

www.mountholyokenews.com

Holy shit. Did you even read the article. Yeah, sorry the scientific community didn't include long distance swimming in its studies. Lol

Now I see why this thread is 6 pages already. I think I'll quit with one page. I already know how the last 5 will go. Lol

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Now do the effects of suppressed testosterone. Wait. I've already have in this thread.

What does the science say?

overall levels still remained higher than non-trans women after three years

Lmao

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Holy shit. Did you even read the article. Yeah, sorry the scientific community didn't include long distance swimming in its studies. Lol

Now I see why this thread is 6 pages already. I think I'll quit with one page. I already know how the last 5 will go. Lol

Always does. Not sure why I’m Groundhog Daying this thing either.

 

[Huey Grey]

Why are you changing your tune now?

A poster said “Well that's great because I heard Lebron James, Jon Jones, and Shohei Ohtani are switching genders. I'll let the female athletes in their respective sports know that Huey Grey on HROT said they have no advantage.”

And you responded
“Post the studies. If it's clear that they have an advantage it should be easy for you.”

It’s clear that you don’t believe Lebron James would have an advantage over the members of the WNBA. Now you’re talking about testosterone.

Why won’t trans advocates support trans men being put in men’s prisons? They’re obviously not at physical disadvantage according to you. Cafeteria style science and beliefs is awesome.

I fully support trans men serving in men's prisons.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It's my opinion when you compare them to thieves and scoundrels you think they are inherently bad.

It isn’t my opinion that when you steal something that doesn’t belong to you one is called a thief, that is the generally accepted label for a thief.

I do however, think people who deceive themselves and others for personal gain are scoundrels. I dont care if it is a man pretending to be a woman or otherwise. I’m all about equality baby.

 

[gohawks50]

Thieves and scoundrels? Really?
If they still have a penis they are not a girl. End of discussion.

They are a transgender girl. End of discussion.

 

[goldmom]

And now we're in the pure bigotry portion of the thread.

Huey displaying desperation in calling someone a bigot. Noting a fact is bigotry?
Please explain…🤔

 

[Huey Grey]

Thieves and scoundrels? Really?
If they still have a penis they are not a girl. End of discussion.

Still waiting on you to cite one girl who lost a scholarship because she got beat by a trans girl. Just like I'm still waiting for one study showing an advantage. Just one. I'm begging you.

 

[Huey Grey]

Huey displaying desperation in calling someone a bigot. Noting a fact is bigotry?
Please explain…🤔

If you don't believe that trans people are real you are a bigot. It's the same exact ploy people like you used to use against gay people.

 

[goldmom]

They are a transgender girl. End of discussion.

No, sweetie.
They are a male human who is attempting to transition to female but who is afraid to finish the job.
They’re in need of counseling.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Still waiting on you to cite one girl who lost a scholarship because she got beat by a trans girl. Just like I'm still waiting for one study showing an advantage. Just one. I'm begging you.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

If you don't believe that trans people are real you are a bigot. It's the same exact ploy people like you used to use against gay people.

Why are you trying to erase women? That is pretty bigoted of you.

 

[goldmom]

Still waiting on you to cite one girl who lost a scholarship because she got beat by a trans girl. Just like I'm still waiting for one study showing an advantage. Just one. I'm begging you.

If fake women keep coming over into women’s sports it’s going to happen. High school track and field is an area where the boys are infiltrating.
If Liam Thomas hadn’t been banned he might have deprived a woman from a chance to be an Olympian.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

They are a transgender girl. End of discussion.

That’s the problem. They aren’t a girl, their genes say otherwise. It is a lie. You are a liar and an enabler.