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It’s insufferable people like a few that only show up after/during losses that are the worst. Absolutely scum of the Earth. @HawkInArk is another one.
JT was doing a great job defending Winston, then to the bench he went and Bakari got schooled
If Garza wants to win a Big Ten Championship this loss most certainly will be a big reason he will return for next season. He dad even said he wants to win a Big Championship, not going to happen this year.
Weezie is either dead tired or is injured in some way. I know he was heavily guarded but after his first few shots, didn't even look to shoot. 4 points will not get him to the NBA and going to get an evaluation is at most, ridiculous.
Weezie is either dead tired or is injured in some way. I know he was heavily guarded but after his first few shots, didn't even look to shoot. 4 points will not get him to the NBA and going to get an evaluation is at most, ridiculous.
No, but who coaches them? Fran, if he gets credit for wins he deserves the blame for losses. Look at all the teams that a tier above us, do they leave in guys that are having a off night and let them play the majority of minutes, NO. They also recognize a teams best player is going to get going at some point, did Fran do anything to stop Winston? it was too late til he did.
He needs to teach these guys situations better. Guys we are up 4, they just turned the ball over, what do we do? We run down and jack up a 3 and give it right back to them. BINGO.
Ok guys our offense is struggling and we aren't making shots, what do we do? The next three possessions we dribble around and try to get a long jump shot for a guy who is struggling to hit Iron. BINGO
Ok guys the last one is the hardest. They just hit 2 three's, then we come down and throw a terrible entry pass and they get a run out. What do we do? Play lazy D and don't call a TO.
BINGO
Not a hater here. My daughter is a Hawkeye and had season tickets for football for four years and spent many afternoons in Carver Hawkeye.
I really like this team and think they have a chance to make a deep run. They have the talent but I am not sure they have the mental toughness. They need to get the killer instinct and put the pedal to the metal when they have the lead. Not sure they are there yet in that regard.
I really like this team and think they have a chance to make a deep run. They have the talent but I am not sure they have the mental toughness. They need to get the killer instinct and put the pedal to the metal when they have the lead. Not sure they are there yet in that regard.
Was expecting a much different game, but MSU did not impress and were lucky to get that win at home. Not a team I would be afraid to meet on a neutral court, particularly if we can get CJF back and Joe W plays even average.
Lots of meat left on this season and there is no quit in this team that I have seen yet this year.
Lots of meat left on this season and there is no quit in this team that I have seen yet this year.
He is out of synch and aiming it look like. Ball was coming out of his hand at a weird angle. Usually his misses are halfway down not barely grazing the rim misses.
In case I didn't make it clear earlier, I loathe Michigan State and Tom Izzo. My hatred for them and their fans burns with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns. Well, maybe not quite that hot. A hundred suns is probably more accurate. Still, that's a lot of hate.
I don't know how much Iowa basketball you have watched but if you think mental toughness is the biggest problem you need to watch more. This is a team down 3 starters and some valuable bench minutes to injury and are exceeding expectations regardless, and that's because they are tough as nails.
To MSU’s credit, Tillman was fantastic in the second half on Garza. His defense just about shut Luka down, and Wieskamp is ice cold.
Having our top two players not able to score was the difference. The mental toughness is there with this squad, but it’s simply tough to win on the road.
Good game, F Izzo
Well based off of your derogatory comment toward MSU, I thought maybe I missed that one of their fans was on this board making an ass of himself.
You do realize that the outcome can be affected by myriad factors, right? But whatever—can you point to any post I’ve ever composed ever that actually argues that a ref or refs were actually fully responsible for a game’s outcome?
JFC I don’t understand how some of you think.
For the sake of argument, though, let’s take Joe W. Weez needs space to score. Close his space, he struggles. What about MSU keeps Joe from finding space? Well, they play extremely hard. They prepare well. And they also grab and hold on just about every screen. They also put hands on the waist of guys who attack off the dribble. 9 times out of 10 they get away with this stuff. Should Weez be able to figure out how to counter? Sure. And I think eventually he will. Should refs do their job and call more fouls, penalize MSU for all the holding? Arguably, yes. If refs called the game to allow the freedom of movement supposedly at issue, chances are Weez is more effective.
There are always multiple factors at play, concurrent to each other.
MSU absolutely gets to play a different way than any other team, for now multiple decades, and while I can appreciate physical play, like many fans, the physicality alongside a coach who acts like every call against him is wrong, who politics every call all game, is plenty worthy of internet complaining.
Absolutely. How many games this year did Iowa get down in the 2nd half and all the HATERS said "here we go". But the Hawks come back and win!
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Both incredible toughness and comebacks.
Excited to see how we finish the season. Been a fun ride so far
Not sure if serious...somehow it's Fran's job to make Joe W make shots in the game? I guarantee they work on free throws in practice, but yet it still is Fran's job to make them in the game? I feel like you're reaching to blame this on Fran.
Are you serious? Didn't you hear he has connections to the program you could only dream of???
Izzo went at the refs all night long. At one point before going to a TV timeout Izzo was ripping into the refs..... Does Fran get that same kind of leeway from the refs? I didn’t think so.
Without a doubt if Fran acted like Izzo he would have had 2 technicals and been watching the 2nd half in the locker room.
If Wieskamp would cut hard to get open, I guarantee he would get more fouls called on his cuts and he would have more freedom of movement. Iowa was up 8 with Wieskamp being a non-factor and then they went away from what got them the lead. Freedom of movement or not, if you only have one shooter, which Iowa really doesn't have right now, it is easy to limit that players effectiveness. Iowa needs another shooter on the floor for Wieskamp to be effective.
With the talent they have, and the depth they have - they should be a lot better than 10-7 in the league. That tells me they are not as mentally tough as they should be. Where was a player on Iowa getting in everybody’s grill down the stretch and kicking some ass or rallying them. I think this team is too fricking nice. Garza was the only one I saw that really showed emotion.
I thought MSU was rated way too high at the beginning of the year and I still think they are not great. But this team has fighters and hate to lose. Having that attitude can push you to win a few games that you shouldn’t.
just an outsiders perspective.
They dont have the talent at the moment... injuries mean Fran is playing with a short bench.
Appreciate the outsiders perspective, as wrong as it is.
Im sure your coach in the ref’s ear all game doesn’t have an effect either. What an embarrassment he is acting like that at half. Disgusting.
I don’t know what you are talking about with depth as we are down 3 starters and 1 bench player from the start of the season. We are playing 1-2 walkons.
Izzo’s whining and constant berating of officials is worth 10 pts easy. Kreiner who was having a good game fouls out while Tillman gets to play ‘good defense’ the second half and be awarded with two free throws on a nice two step, hop never got touched Kreiner 3rd foul. That’s how a team like Iowa is 10-7 and the fraud factory that is MSU Athletics is continually propped up.
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4 of our top 7 guys are out with injuries. That leaves us with a short bench and very short on talent. We've done quite a bit with what we have left, but tonight looked like guys were just out of gas.
And I know Izzo is a god in East Lansing, but, from an outsiders perspective, he's a whiny little bitch that is given too long a leash. He bitched about every call until his team took the lead. He even complained about the refs during the halftime interview. The Big Ten and the NCAA don't like it when coaches do that, but I doubt Tom gets so much as a harshly worded letter from either organization.
Iowa has a ton of injuries yet going into tonight they were tied for 2nd in the conference. They fight hard as a team and don't give in. They've won a lot of games in the last 2 minutes. If that doesn't tell you this team has mental toughness then you have no idea what mental toughness is.
If that's your take then I'll just have to refer back to my last post saying you need to watch more Iowa basketball. I really don't mean to be a dick but honestly your last line is about the only accurate one in your post.
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Good effort on the road. Actually surprising how hard they made sparty work for that one while getting no offense from Wieskamp.
Loss is disappointing, but they can still pick up one or two more wins.
Loss is disappointing, but they can still pick up one or two more wins.
Then don't bring up the officials. Just about everything you write in this post is complaining about the officials and there non-calls. And yes to the guarantee.
same old same old. And nothing will happen. College basketball. Tomorrow the locals like Todd Brommelkamp will troll Iowa fans like its all funny.
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