Lots of critical comments here by folks who probably never coached a game in their lives. Here is a clue. Coaches do not throw dumb passes or miss layups. Does Iowa need to tighten up against pressure? Obviously. Should the bigs handle the ball against pressure? No, but guards need to come get the ball! Frustrating that our seniors did not step up but MSU is unbeaten and we knew they would be a challenge. With one ref in particular whistle happy and our best player 4-17 it was just too much today. I think we win a rematch by 10.
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Dumb comment.
Do you need a Doctorate to know when you go into surgery to have your tonsils removed and instead they remove your spleen that the doctor did a bad job?
Coaches do dictate who is inbounding the ball and who is in the backcourt. They are the damn coach!
The bottom line is the ball was in Lucy’s hands at the end. She took a shot she often makes and missed. Iowa will get better.
If you knew how coaches design plays you would answer differently. They routinely use bigs as an outlet against pressure but the play is designed for the guards to come get the ball back. If guards stand and watch the big will end up bringing it upcourt. Not the best decision but the players need to take responsibility. Can Jan design different press breaks? Yes, and she should and probably will. I am not necessarily defending Jan specifically, just the implication that press turnovers are the coaches fault. It normally is a combo of poor design or worse implementation of the press break.
The press break where AOG come from center court and is a release I have no problem with. She’s a good passer and her job is to be a last resort and then distribute to a guard on the run towards the front court. It makes sense. That said she has no business dribbling but she panicked and lost it.
I have no problem with them playing loose and smiling, etc. as others have mentioned. I’d rather see that than be tight and make mistakes because of it. I don’t think the mistakes are from being too loose but rather making bad decisions.
I have no problem with them playing loose and smiling, etc. as others have mentioned. I’d rather see that than be tight and make mistakes because of it. I don’t think the mistakes are from being too loose but rather making bad decisions.
30 turnovers earlier and now 21 today and people still reflexively defend the coaching. Nothing new under the Sun. Same people still defending Brian Ferentz and his offense.
Exactly…people like @ Phenomenally Frantastic think you have to be mad as hell, scream, yell and throw a huge fit and point out everyone’s flaws after our loss.
It literally just occurred to me today why these guys can’t coach… They’re too emotional and irrational.
Incidentally, he rarely shows up when they’re winning games at least in the women’s thread. In fact, it’s the first time I believe I’ve seen him this year.
As for the things I said earlier… I believe Heiden should be playing more over O’Grady but the problem is she is still timid. Sometimes she turned the ball over, once when she was 5 foot within the block with the right hand/shooting hand-free. She should’ve gone up with the ball and elected to pass for a turnover instead. So clearly there are still some trust issues and that is understandable no matter what our brilliant fans may think..
You also aren’t gonna win very many games when your all league point guard shoots 4–17 with two assists and seven turnovers. Guess who had the next most turnovers Kylie with five and I actually think she had a pretty good game.
So we have somebody like @Phenomenally Frantastic bitching about our forwards and Center, OGrady, who had one turnover & Hanna who had 2, while our two best guards turned it over 12 times.
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Learned a new word eh Fran. Reflexively is what you do when you’re pissed off and emotional.
Not reflexively defending the coach. Read my last post. There is a mutual responsibility on both coach and player to run a press break correctly. Both sides are at fault here. You seem to only want to blame Jan. Let me know next time you coach a team and design a play.
Yeah, super ignorant comments, but you can expect that from the Frantastic man.
Back to what I was saying before Lucy routinely dribbled into a trap and she played 38 minutes, Hannah S played 34, nobody else played more than 27. She ha 7 TOs.
Hannah, who only had two turnovers routinely broke the press for us so again @Phenomenally Frantastic, reflexively looks at a loss, counts turnovers and per usual, has no clue what he’s talking about.
She’s an above average passer and the Center in the middle of the floor for a press bake is very routine. Her dribbling is not… That’s not a coaching problem. That’s a player problem..
And we don’t have the luxury of benching Lucy when she has an off game that’s also a player problem not a coaching problem.
Players having up-and-down games, again, not a coaching problem, a player problem.
I did not like the out of bounds play, I understand why she gave it to Lucy, but I would’ve liked to have seen something downhill, with that said Michigan State did have something to do with that.
Once again for those watching at home, reflexively, getting on a message board and acting like a 12-year-old is bad. Looking at the mistakes and reasonably contemplating how they happened is good.
Fran couldn’t find his ass with both hands
I don't agree with our in-bounds strategy. Most of the time players are sliding to the corners...AWAY from the ball. If it is caught, you're in a potential trap already. Players need to break hard towards the center of the floor to help meet the ball; once you catch it you're not trapped against the sideline.
He’s a world-class dope and just a mean, spirited guy
Press breaks weren’t he problems it was the decision making in the half court after they best the press.
And in bounds passing was poor.
This can’t be serious and did you think we wouldn’t lose any games this year?
Absolutely I would love to see a breakdown on TOs in the full court versus the half court… We were miserable in the half court. I bet we had at least five turnovers into the post to O’Grady alone.
Lucy shouldn't have been asked to guard their PG either. She couldn't stay in front of her and Hampton went off. At least until they put Kylie back on her.
Our inbound plays/schemes are poor at best. Cutters take bad angles. Cuts aren't crisp - sometimes they're even lazy. Our inbounders are indecisive. Our coaches designed this. We are running the same schemes that flopped against TN.
Let’s break this down… You, show up after we lost the game, like you do throwing a hissy fit like a 12-year-old child….
Who’s obsessing now?
😂😂
Been a while since I’ve conversed with you, I had forgotten how poor your arguments and comebacks are
Lots to say about this game, some good and some bad. Obviously turnovers. Lucy has to start taking charge of the game. She’s the new girl, I get it, but we brought her in for a reason. She’s very indecisive against the press, and even when she beats it she pulls it out when she could attack. Now maybe that’s what the coaches are telling her to do. Defense and rebounding very solid today against a very physical team. That big run from up 8 to down 4 where we just wet our pants against the press was brutal. And yet we still kept fighting and got a good look to win the game. But man we’ve got to quit turning the ball over.
I’ll agree with this. We do not come back hard for inbounds passes, either on just a basic inbounds pass or being pressed. We threw the ball away at least 4-5 times on basic inbounds passes either from the side or our own basket. Honestly that’s unacceptable. Those are such lost possessions.
The right person had the last shot. The first year players will struggle from time to time especially on the road and I could make a list of several that became much better over their careers. For example Stremlow fouled out and I believe Guyton only played 7 minutes with no scores. I would have hoped she would be seeing more time by now and might have helped against the press. Hopefully she will see more time in the weeks ahead.
Can't do that w/ 3s and jumpers. You need to answer somehow w/ a power play, FTs, ...to answer a run.
Most of those were perimeter shots
Yes!!!
Not the way to stop a large run by the opponent
More physical play, especially like Afolter when she drove and muscled the ball up late. Make the official call the foul. Does 2 things:
1. Gets you a chance to answer with any type of points and possibly change momentum
2. Gets fouls on your opponents so they have to sit or be more cautious.
All of the above is on Jensen and the coaches for either encouraging it or allowing it.
I don’t know man…I mean did you truly expect to be undefeated here?! With 4 Frosh and a new PG?
Maybe it’s me but I just don’t get this insistence to always blame the coach. If I told you preseason we’d be 9-2 w 2 tough losses to undefeated teams everyone would say, wow sounds awesome. But here we are…
I just don’t get it…My assumption is bad coaches lose and good ones win all their games 🤷♂️
Just returned home to Ohio from the game. Very hard fought and physical game. Couple of my observations.
1. I think both Kylie and Lucy were gassed at the end. Kylie was guarding their guard and she went right around her twice to the hoop for layups during their run. If she was fresh this does not happen. Lucy played a lot of stressful minutes and was 4-17. A lot of her shots at the end were short. She had to force up some shots when the shot clock was running out on numerous occasions during the game.
2. It is very hard for freshman to compete against grad players which Michigan State has. More physical and mature. This is what the transfer portal is giving us. I think Michigan State played 1 freshman (#15 from Spain) Who knows how old she is. You develop players and they will transfer for their last 1 to 2 years of eligibility. Developmental programs like Iowa will be handicapped.
3. Stuelke played a great game. She rebounded and played great defense against a very physical player. I did not understand why she did not get more touches in the 4th quarter. When we had the with 20 seconds left I would have run a play for her to touch the ball. That is the play Syd drove and got her shot blocked.
4. Ball handling and decision making against the press have been lacking and showed again today. Too much dribbling and not enough crisp passing. Some of it is related to the strength of their players. On numerous plays they ripped the ball away from us or tied it up for a jump ball when we have to be stronger and protect it. The officials really let Michigan State play physical. Overall we are not a very physical team.
5. Jan switched to a zone in the second half for a few possessions. It really worked and it is when we got a lead. I am not sure why she did not go back to it again as a change of pace in the 4th when we had a lead. That would have put a lot of pressure on them to make some shots.
6. We play good defense when we are fresh. Team speed is a little lacking in my opinion. Number 4 for Michigan State was the quickest player on the court.
7.. One of those games you hate to lose since it was right there to snatch it on the road. A lot of tough games ahead for a young team. As long as they don't get down on themselves they will get better.
Another dynamic that hasn't been talked about is how the players respond to Jensen as the head coach and how Jensen has changed being the head coach. Most assistants, besides their daily responsibilities, are the emotional support for players when the head coach gets on them. Some assistants flourish when promoted to head and many do not. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Jensen.
Absolutely not, BUT we've booted two games where we had an 8-9 point lead in the last few minutes. I give them a mulligan against Tenn. Today MSU played as poorly as we did for most of the game, and every time we scored a couple of baskets we'd go right back to multiple turnovers. Some of this is coaching. Some is players no doubt. First bad game for Lucy at Iowa. After Syd looked like her old self against ISU, she played poorly in pretty much every phase, and is VERY indecisive. Mallengi is struggling. Heiden HAS to play more regardless of her play. She's so much more athletic and aggressive then AOG, and we need her in a big way as conference play heats up.
At times Bluder absolutely laid into Caitlin and company. Most players have no idea how difficult it is to reach the final four. Great coaches have to push players to get there. It not mean to insist on excellence. These young players need to be pushed. They are better than this.
14 point run. When it was eight or nine I was hollering time out I couldn’t believe she never took one. We had three of them. Next thing I know it’s 14 point run still no time out. What’s up with that?
Well, several people pointed it out to me that when Iowa most needed a timeout, in the last possession, Iowa didn't have one left. Think about the men's team against Northwestern. Timeout with 0.8 second left, and made a play to win the game.
Great point PF…time to get rid of Jan and being un someone who understands basketball and can coach it!
Just watched the game and my takeaway is this: our inbounding plays and passing vision SUCKS. This team has to get better at recognizing danger and what windows exist and don't. They also didn't make a single 1v1 driving layup all game. ALL GAME. In fact, some of those attempst turned into open runout 3s for them to get back in it. In the 4th quarter I was screaming for them to take more threes, to back away and shoot instead of driving into traffic, and they just kept driving into traffic and getting blocked or forced into tough spinning fadeaways. Lucy Olsen's final 2 shots were horrid choices given the way they were defending. This team needs to recognize its athletic deficit and shoot more 3s against staunch defenses like MSU and Tennessee.
Oh I almost forgot. We had a chance to shoot a 3 down 1 with 16 seconds left, foul, and then shoot another 3. What do we do instead? We pass pass dribble dribble for 15 seconds and then take a contested 2. That's not maximizing your chances to win.
Oh I almost forgot. We had a chance to shoot a 3 down 1 with 16 seconds left, foul, and then shoot another 3. What do we do instead? We pass pass dribble dribble for 15 seconds and then take a contested 2. That's not maximizing your chances to win.
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