Helene models….without looking, not sure how far ahead of landfall these are. Red dot is probably closest to the official landfall point, though landfall was pretty much simultaneous there to around Steinhatchee.
Hurricane season has arrived....
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I have read historical records going back to the 1500’s that include early Spanish accounts of hurricanes. Countless shipwrecks off the Florida coasts including Spanish Galleons with gold and treasure from Mexico abound.
These storms are not a recent phenomenon caused by climate changes. I’m not a denier but I prefer a review of the facts and the fact is that hurricanes have always been around.
One other fact is that we have more damage and loss of life because we have TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE.
In 1970 we had about ten million people here and now we’re on track to hit 25 million by the middle of the decade. And we had miles of shoreline where there were no houses or high rise condos.
We had millions of acres of wetland that have since been filled in and built on.
Milton is set to go over land that used to be largely agricultural. Orange groves and cattle ranches.
Now it’s a mouse and a million golf carts.
These storms are not a recent phenomenon caused by climate changes. I’m not a denier but I prefer a review of the facts and the fact is that hurricanes have always been around.
One other fact is that we have more damage and loss of life because we have TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE.
In 1970 we had about ten million people here and now we’re on track to hit 25 million by the middle of the decade. And we had miles of shoreline where there were no houses or high rise condos.
We had millions of acres of wetland that have since been filled in and built on.
Milton is set to go over land that used to be largely agricultural. Orange groves and cattle ranches.
Now it’s a mouse and a million golf carts.
The climate has ALWAYS been changing. There is no "normal"... it's a dynamic system.
Did I not just write that I am NOT a denier?
I think Planet Earth is in charge and changes itself. But I think we need to be careful and take care of the place, you know? We’re just passing through and living in an enormous rental. Our landlord is reminding us we have to take care of the property.
Yes and it's being caused now by human activity.
Causes - NASA Science
Takeaways Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet Scientists attribute the global warming trend observed since the mid-20th century to the human expansion of the “greenhouse effect”1 — warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space. Life on...
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I'm just curious.
I know most Republicans don't believe in climate change or science, for that matter.
That is just so emotionally draining. Sorry for all these folks.
Yes and it's being caused now by human activity.
Causes - NASA Science
Takeaways Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet Scientists attribute the global warming trend observed since the mid-20th century to the human expansion of the “greenhouse effect”1 — warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space. Life on...
A mega volcano could instantly reverse all this warming.
It really is. I share your sentiment. 😟
The radar of Florida right now is sick. It's raining virtually everywhere on the peninsula.
It’s not the number of Hurricanes, it’s the number of Major storms with catastrophic damage from storm surge and wind. We all know Tropical Storms and Cat 1 / 2 hurricanes were a part of life if you lived in Florida as were the much more rare major storms.
But the evidence is undeniable now the major storms are way way more frequent. In 173 years of recorded history there were 30 major hurricanes between 1851 and 2003. That is about 1 every 5.07 years, so just under 2 a decade.
Since 2004, Milton will become our 11th major landfall in 20 years. That’s averaging a major hurricane more frequent than even every other year…every 1.81 year…and trending up. So we are moving toward a major hurricane with the catastrophic damage that comes to soon being an every year issue when it use to be a twice a decade thing.
Also if you look at just CAT 4/5 it is 5 in 20 years and 11 in the previous 152 before that. Climate change is majorly impacting florida due to the major storms not the frequency.
And this has always been the predicted outcome of global warming. Everything is more extreme. The hurricanes. The tornadoes. The severe thunderstorms and derechos. The floods. The droughts. The grass and forest fires. And yes the blizzards, too. Which is not all that shocking if you heat up the earths moisture a bit…it was an easy thing to predict.
Florida is going to soon be in crisis over it too. We are going to have to dramatically change how we build on the coast. Concrete bunkers up high and designed to withstand major storms and surge with concrete walls and floors that can flood and simply be cleaned. And not just on coast. So much higher building costs.
And insurance will have to continue to rise until then. I am talking about flood and home owner insurance policies that are combined 5 percent of value of home…maybe even higher. So if you live in 800k house near the coast in storm surge areas for major hurricanes you may be looking at 40k-60k annually to insure…the equivalent really having a 1.3 million dollar mortgage payment.
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Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity, Bill O, Tucker, etc... Four decades of conspiracies and owning Libs.
Remember when Obama first ran for POTUS and all the GQP lived and died by the conspiracy emails they got ever day?
Yep, brainwashed cult.
Even the ones that aren't full Q have part of their brains programmed.
We have NO idea if storms back then were Cat 1 or Cat 5. I am in my 70’s and I grew up here. One hurricane on the First Coast in 1964 (Dora) and some minor brushes or TD’s and SoFla had more. SWFla had none. Now it’s the Gulf acting up more with the Atlantic trending to more fish storms.
You surely realize that the increase in population and the number of people and the structures we build to support us now make instant news?
Wide swaths of America that were open prairie or shore or forest in the 40’s and 50’s now have humans living there. We have instant knowledge of a Kansas twister and the aftermath. We didn’t have that 100 years ago.
I think Earth’s climate is changing and would be changing if there were zero humans. Just ask the dinosaurs. Oh wait…we can’t. Something about a meteor. Beyond their control. Beyond ours too.
GFS from the 12z, 8 am run, is an outlier to the north
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That's not the scientific consensus.
Causes - NASA Science
Takeaways Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet Scientists attribute the global warming trend observed since the mid-20th century to the human expansion of the “greenhouse effect”1 — warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space. Life on...
science.nasa.gov
That's not the scientific consensus.
Causes - NASA Science
Takeaways Increasing Greenhouses Gases Are Warming the Planet Scientists attribute the global warming trend observed since the mid-20th century to the human expansion of the “greenhouse effect”1 — warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space. Life on...
The scientific consensus said the COVID shot would prevent you from getting it and spreading it.
Now they've had to concede that it doesn't do any of that. Maybe you just have a more-mild case of COVID and everyone you come into contact with will still get it.
The American Health Care Association/National Center for Assisted Living (AHCA/NCAL) announced late Saturday that Delivering Solutions 24, its annual Convention & Expo and largest event of the year, was forced to be cancelled due to the projected path of the impending Hurricane Milton.
“We are beyond disappointed. But your safety is our paramount consideration, and we have no choice,” the organization’s leadership, including AHCA Chair Phil Scalo, President & CEO Mark Parkinson, and incoming President & CEO Clif Porter, stated in a communication to attendees late Saturday.
Events scheduled for Sunday, including NCAL Day, continued as planned; all other scheduled programming, which was intended to run through Wednesday, October 9, was cancelled.
The decision was necessitated based on information reviewed by AHCA/NCAL leadership on Saturday, including a declaration by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis that Orange County, where Orlando is located, is in a state of emergency due to the oncoming storm. The path of Tropical Storm Milton shows a direct line over Orlando, where Delivering Solutions 24 was located. At the time of the cancellation, there were official weather predictions indicating the storm would accelerate to a Category 3 hurricane by the time it makes landfall later this week.
“Our intent was that this conference would be an acknowledgement of our past and a celebration of the future,” read the communication from AHCA/NCAL leadership. “We are sorry that we can’t do that this week in Orlando. But none of this diminishes what we have all done together and will continue to do together in the future.”
“We are beyond disappointed. But your safety is our paramount consideration, and we have no choice,” the organization’s leadership, including AHCA Chair Phil Scalo, President & CEO Mark Parkinson, and incoming President & CEO Clif Porter, stated in a communication to attendees late Saturday.
Events scheduled for Sunday, including NCAL Day, continued as planned; all other scheduled programming, which was intended to run through Wednesday, October 9, was cancelled.
The decision was necessitated based on information reviewed by AHCA/NCAL leadership on Saturday, including a declaration by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis that Orange County, where Orlando is located, is in a state of emergency due to the oncoming storm. The path of Tropical Storm Milton shows a direct line over Orlando, where Delivering Solutions 24 was located. At the time of the cancellation, there were official weather predictions indicating the storm would accelerate to a Category 3 hurricane by the time it makes landfall later this week.
“Our intent was that this conference would be an acknowledgement of our past and a celebration of the future,” read the communication from AHCA/NCAL leadership. “We are sorry that we can’t do that this week in Orlando. But none of this diminishes what we have all done together and will continue to do together in the future.”
Dr Levi Cowan Sunday video
[Sunday] Milton Strengthening; Expected to Bring Life-Threatening Impacts to Florida
[Sunday] Milton Strengthening; Expected to Bring Life-Threatening Impacts to Florida
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Florida is literally going to be uninsurable. I didn’t hate living there but glad I pulled the cord as quickly as I did, housing market spooked me out. It just isn’t sustainable anymore.
We do have estimates of strength based on recorded barometric pressure and accounts of damage. Florida has been overbuilt a long time. There is a reason all of our home owners insurance doubled the last 3 years and will double now again in the next 3. This is simply not normal and was predicted. Just like the floods in North Carolina mountains nobody had flood insurance for. Just like the derechos in Iowa. Just like the Midwest like tornadoes in Tallahassee this spring. Just like the dozens killed in a fire in Hawaii….and on and on. Climate change is showing up in the form of much more extreme weather.
List of Florida hurricanes - Wikipedia
Completely normal. There always have been Hurricanes.
Orlando should be fine. It's 40 miles inland and on the opposite side of the state.
No. Hurricane Ian was terrible all up and down the I-4 corridor with damaging winds and devastating interior flooding all the way to Daytona. And the beach side suffered significant erosion and property damage from backside storm surge.
This is shaping up the same way.
The impact in coastal Volusia and Brevard will be worse than Orlando, even though the storm is making landfall on the west coast. Being on the coast makes a difference even when it's the opposite coast.
Be safe! Or stop at JReed (Pensacola) or DFS (DeFuniak Springs) and hang out until Thursday?
Kennedy Space Center will take a hit. 🚀
