If I recall, they went back and forth and then with Spencer losing in the state finals his senior year, it seemed like a fair ranking.
I think the pressure the Iowa guys feel finally gets to them. They seem to be awful concerned (almost to the point of obsessed) with winning and doing their job - which seems to take the fun out of the sport and practice. That can wear on a guy over time and affect his practices also.
I'm sure they're aware. From what I understand, so many of you are so close to Tom that stating it here is essentially the same as talking to Tom about it.
this is pretty much what @wahlberg has said previously.
Seriously dude, you wrestled at the University of Iowa under Tom Brands. That gives you an inside track to share your concerns with the AD or the coaching staff. You make it seem like you care about the program but only express your concerns on an anonymous forum. Seems like you are doing the Iowa wrestling program a disservice by not taking the next step.
Who exactly is “they”? There have been plenty of reasonable, dissenting responses. The truth is simple. Instead of incessant complaining, why not do something about it? I tried pretty damn hard for quite a while. If he is truly who he says he is, there absolutely are avenues open to him to make his feelings known to the powers that be. It is absolutely a fair response…
He’s just butt-hurt that a past athlete has shared his views with this community.
“Has the ear” is a lot different from getting access to the ear. A former athlete has plenty of avenues open to him to speak his mind…
Coming from one of the most incessant butt hurt complainers on here…
Yes, I 100% think a past athlete has the inside track to getting to express their concerns to the AD.
I'm not butt hurt about anything.
Seriously dude, I think they're aware of all I've said, especially considering how many of you are close with Tom and can just tell him yourselves. I'm not sure what service I'd be doing to the program by directly telling Tom stuff he already knows. Do you really think Tom is going to respond well to a former wrestler of his telling him he needs to change his ways?
Come on, man. A former athlete has many more avenues to have a face to face with the program and even the Athletic Department. Hell, most can easily access practices or functions. Now, that doesn’t mean they can’t lose that access if what they say or how they say it doesn’t exactly go well with the people they express their opinions to…
Unless you have the willingness and ability to raise funds for the department.
I would agree unless a bridge is burnt these athletes more than likely have full access to their former coaches; however the AD is much much less likely; unless you’re talking about a Spencer Lee, Katelyn Clark type athlete.
The point is simple. If you feel strongly enough that you are correct and you care so strongly about the program, do more. MSU literally fell apart and I, along with plenty of other former wrestlers(many more prominent than me) voiced opinions until we were shut down. But, I will say Minkel did end up leaving earlier than I thought he would and the pressure on him wasn’t a slight percentage of what Brands would have on him.
How much power did you have in getting Minkle canned?
There is a difference between access and pull. I had zero problem initially making my opinions heard and MSU doesn’t care remotely about a fringe program like wrestling. At Iowa, I am sure a former athlete’s opinion would at least be heard and, like I said, if enough agree with him, it could make a difference…
So in other words, you speaking up made absolutely no difference.
By myself? Very little. But, I absolutely was heard and I like to think that hearing it enough from multiple voices made some difference. At Iowa, where the pressure to succeed is much higher, I think former athletes complaining could hold more sway…
There’s a big difference between airing one’s opinions on a message board and actively trying to get a coach fired, imo.
If he’s REALLY your friend, TELL US HIS NAME.
Sorry, maybe I am drawing more from personal experience than most. But, if he truly believes everything he says, is who he says and is not just trolling, why not do more? What could it hurt? It’s not like it is hard. Hell, all the necessary emails are easy to access. If you don’t want to go to a meet or practice and talk directly to people, why not send a properly worded email?
There's a difference between feeling strongly enough to discuss it with you fine folk on a message board and going to someone's boss about them. You do realize that, correct?
Interesting in that everything you say here, which is a hell of a lot,sure wants him fired. Hell you even voted for it. I just find it to be more about fear and/or hypocrisy that you can so vehemently attack basically every aspect of his coaching on here, but balk at saying it face to face.
I said the case was dismissed with prejudice, which means you can't bring it up again. I'm sorry, MSU, but I'm going to have to hold you in contempt.
And I objected due to the simple fact that you represent a kangaroo court and have no authority in this matter! 😉
Yes, I absolutely want Tom replaced as head coach and I'm not shy about saying so (or voting for it). That doesn't mean I'm into going to his boss about it. I don't talk to Tom. I haven't in years. I don't hate him but we're not best buds. I'm not going to just randomly call him up and tell him he better make changes and I think he needs to be replaced. I don't know what that accomplishes and it would be pretty doggone awkward actually. If he starts reaching out to his former wrestlers to figure out how to improve and I make the cut for people he wants an opinion from, I'd be happy to tell him my honest thoughts. Anyways, I do post on this forum. I have for years. So, this is a place where I express my opinions regarding Iowa wrestling.
i was told there are going to be no changes to staff.
I’ll counter with 1/14. All that other stuff your wrote is great, but that 1 out of 14 really eats at Iowa wrestling and its fans.
