Certainly can’t. Especially when you recruit over a guy that manages 7th place as an injured freshman.
Real Woods in the portal? Mineo inkling Penn State
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Will do! keep coming back occasionally to tell us how Caels ass taste!
Oh, don’t worry….he will be. Last I looked, he hasn’t graduated yet.
You may want to bow out of this and take the L gracefully… because you sound really stupid.
As the guy who replaced him did win. So your point is Cael made the right decision?
Truly intellectual response, Hawkfan! Try working on your grammar next time. It will make your stupid insults much more compelling.
And yet, talent is still lining up to wear those ugly blue and white singlets.
Do I really have to explain this again!!! How many times in this damn thread have I had to do this? This is the last time. The short term strategy of replacing your high end recruits with top level proven transfers has paid off to this point.
That said, my point is when will people start to look at this and see that loyalty isn’t a big deal to Cael and never has been. My example used was Michael Beard who was a top recruit and had a great showing in his one and only March tournaments, especially considering he got injured very late in the season. Yet, even he, with all that potential, was still replaced. And that’s my point.
It’s just an opinion and I’m done talking about it. I’ve been saying the same damn thing for 5 days now and I’m over it. If this still doesn’t make sense I don’t know what else to say.
Great, another arrogant, vapid troll has found their way to the cesspool
You “have to” keep explaining because your hypothesis is wrong and few believe it has any merit.
Fair enough, hence why I said it was an opinion. Opinions do not have to be universally accepted.
Michael Beard had an opportunity to wrestle off multiple times for the position and lost. Athletics are the last bastion of earning your position in life. Nice try. Everyone in that room knows they have to earn their spot.
You‘re absolutely right. This IS a cesspool…
…but stop talking about Hawkfan that way!
Yes It Is!! So why don't you plop your ass on a seatless bike and pedal yourself out of here.
Facilities are an important piece of a total package . . . but as some of the teams in your list have shown, there is a lot more to building a (cough, cough) perennial contender.
Not saying anything there you don’t already know . . . and Iowa is contending without the upgrade — it will be interesting to see how much it may have been a missing ingredient.
Hey…no problem. You can’t substantiate your arguments or make valid points, so you just call the other guy a nasty name and tell him to leave. You should be a politician!
Tom Ryan is a smooth talker and a great recruiter. That factors in as much as the new facilities. They won an NCAA title before the facility was complete.
Oh, did I hurt your feelings???
You're here to stir sh*t and no other reason just like most of your other cronies who have shown up here the past few weeks
You're here to stir sh*t and no other reason just like most of your other cronies who have shown up here the past few weeks
Nope, but apparently I’ve hurt yours.
I leave you now to spew your PSU/Cael insults and idiocy with your own kind. We know it makes you all feel so much better. I will now head back to a land of championships, positivity and fun! Be well!
There are many fans, from several different teams that come here not to stir up crap, but to discuss college wrestling. Those “other” fans are welcomed and accepted. Compare their posts to yours, they are not hard to find, and it’s pretty easy to spot the difference.
Happy travels on your way back, don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. You will not be missed.
Perfect!!!
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya
Serious question, isn’t the money from the NLWC supposed to be spectated from NIL money? Or does that even matter at this point?
I really don’t know. I remember hearing or reading at one point that the college team was consider separate than the RTC’s or wrestling clubs associated with schools.
During recruiting, coaches and athletes look at the current roster and discuss long term plans. I am pretty sure there are no discussions about "you can potentially be replaced next year by someone not yet available that we think is better". Developing into a champion, not a benchwarmer. Do high end recruits no live up? Sure, but no coaches cut their losses in year 1 or 2. Most normal schools wouldn't recruit over a guy that was as highly regarded as Beard. At some point that has to bite Cael in the *ss. Single year graduate transfers won't really matter if they are bumping someone with more than one year of eligibility.
I get it, NLWC has a lot going on in and post college. If nobody badmouths the process, they will BAU.
Good question and I really don’t know. I guess they could say hey…we will get you 50k in NIL and post grad we will get you 50k for wrestling for the NLWC.
i believe that (that NIL has to be separate from wrestling or club) is correct.
as i said in a previous post, penn state hasn't done a thing with NIL yet, but they're getting ready to. (it's been fairly well known that Cael wasn't happy that the PSU admin wouldn't allow things to happen there that other schools greenlighted.
That number (100k) wouldn't surprise me (it's on par with other 'deals' i've heard at other schools), however i don't believe it's true (for reasons i won't disclose).
anyway - to your point, if it is an NIL deal i'm fairly certain that it doesn't come from NLWC. in the crazy convoluted world we live in now, that would be considered 'wrong'.
I believe the short answers are "no" and "none."
If for 5 years you've thought recruits would interpret a room policy of "no wrestler is gifted a spot in the starting lineup" to be "the coach is not loyal to his recruits," and yet year after year top 10 recruits show up, then perhaps you might want to reconsider.
That's pocket change for NLWC.....I didn't think you could legally discuss NIL during recruiting. Could this bite these programs in the ass someday?
I find this hard to believe.
Universities cannot offer NIL money. PSU, the university, does not control the NLWC. The new NIL organizations facilitate connecting potential NIL $ with current PSU athletes.
That said, if Real Woods was interested in attending the NLWC RTC, then I suppose some discussion of a stipend could occur. I am not sure for what service a particular NIL offer of $100k might be. I would think a offer of that magnitude would have more PA currency if made to RBY.
Then again, I might just be unable to relate to the kind of wealthy individual who would pay $100k for Real Woods services.
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NLWC can't pay him to wrestle under NIL. I am not sure if they would be allowed to pay him for something like posing for an advertisement for NLWC while he wrestles for PSU though
NLWC pays stipends to its wrestler resident athletes as a charitable organization. I've seen nothing that indicates it pays its wrestlers to advertise for it. Others like ScrapLife (DT) and Rudis (Kyle Snyder) have separate contacts with NLWC resident athletes. I would think paying a wrestler to advertise for the NLWC might not even fit within its charter.
It doesn't even make sense to me that NLWC would hire Real Woods to advertise for it. I mean, have you seen their website?
You’re all assuming a false narrative that these kids are all pissed, and should hate Cael for bringing in new kids. How many of these kids are transferring out? Not Beard. Not Nevills. Not Manville. These kids love the environment, so they stay. What you’re feeling is jealousy, and it’s normal.
Okay. Under the NIL rules for NCAA an athelte cant be paid for competition. So im not sure how NLWC would be able to pay out any stipend to members of the PSU team
Edit: for any competition - Flo can't host a card and pay an NCAA athlete to be on it either. My point in the first post was I'm not sure what type of loop holes there may be (apparently not appearing in advertisements😂)
But this is all covered under the NIL rules. So Cael isn’t playing by different rules, he’s just maximizing the rules that are in place. Don’t be pissed that NIL wasn’t in the 3-ring binder and Tom can’t figure it out on his own. Cael figured it out and is using it to his advantage. That’s just great coaching.
Hmmm, this seems easy to regulate. It’s just getting more and more complicated by the hour.
Anyway, thanks for the response.
Exactly. In fact Nick Lee donates to NLWC. As a qualified athlete, he can train at the NLWC, or other RTCs, without being a resident athlete of the club.
As Real Woods graduated, he could theoreticallly join the NLWC as a resident athlete with a stipend, and not even complete for PSU.
Assertions without evidence have been made on HR in the past that top recruits are "promised" or "teased" the potential of NLWC resident status after using up their PSU eligibility.
Well who then is offering him a 100K? Also how is this money for "name & likeness?"
I wouldn't be shocked if those types of offers are made by multple RTCs. I would be shocked if Real Wood's turned down real money right now from someone else for a promise of money two years from now for PSU
Are NIL deals that athletes get not required to be made public? The obviously have to go through compliance
Ben Askren heard a rumor. Could be nobody. Could be someone started the rumor simply as leverage for a potential future negotiation. If there was a NIL, I'd bet on Stanford, Northwestern, or Illinois, where Real might hold greater advertising sway.
I don’t see why a private contract would be required to be made public.
Any particular reporting requirement could vary by state, as state law might dictate, and further vary by conference or university.
To satisfy compliance, I imagine all that would be needed is a signed checklist as an affidavit that all university requirements have been met, which would be submitted to the university's athletic compliance office. I suppose those offices could perform random or for cause audits of further details, as desired or required.
