Cops in schools make for a healthy police state. We must teach fear of authority early on.
SC Cop drags student across the floor in class room
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This is just fine because when I was in school...blah, blah, blah...
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I'm curious Tom, you work in the Davenport School District. At my last check you didn't have "security guards" roaming the halls of your school. So let's say you encounter a student like this and you have to deal with her. What's your next step? Are you slamming her to the ground and dragging her across the floor? What are your next steps? You're the teacher here, you tell us. As a parent, I'm not going to be very happy with my daughter for acting that way, but I'm going to be more pissed that you decided to use physical violence to get your point across. Secondly, I don't think the Davenport School District would allow you to continue teaching if you used the same force the officer did in the video. Do you think they'd allow that? I understand that as a teacher you deal with real shitheads probably more often then not, but I'm not going to lie that I'm a little dumbfounded that the actual teacher in this thread condones the action of the police officer when your ass would have been fired for doing the exact same thing.
This completely contradicts your previous statement about how kids aren't scared unless physical violence (caning in front of an assembly) is used. So which is it?
Tom, you've clearly demonstrated that teachers aren't being told not to discipline, they are simply being told not to do so poorly.
If you can't come up with a valid means of providing that discipline, you're probably not in the right profession.
As Pine said earlier, violence breeds violence. It's not effective unless you enjoy more violence.
If you can't come up with a valid means of providing that discipline, you're probably not in the right profession.
As Pine said earlier, violence breeds violence. It's not effective unless you enjoy more violence.
To be clear, you're against suspensions for minor offenses, preferring to call police instead?
Do you have a coherent argument to make, or are you just venting frustration?
Hi Myno!
I haven't seen you on HROT since you went off the deep end on Ferguson and turned out to be entirely wrong.
Many schools have security guards. The high schools have police. I am not going to grab a girl out of a desk and slam her to the ground for defiance...but I have zero problems with security or a police officer doing it. None at all. She chose it. Her problem. It's hard to explain on here because you don't know me and you have zero clue what my relationships are with the students I have had. You would understand more of where I am coming from if we were discussing it over a beer. The only times I have ever been "physical" with a student is when I am protecting a kid from another. The roughest I have ever been was shoving a big middle school girl, several feet, off of a much smaller girl. The larger girl had hold of the smaller by her head/ears and was smashing the back of her head into the concrete. The vast, vast majority of my relationships with my students have been positive...even with the rough ones...kids who are now in jail.
Having said that, again, there are just so many disruptions in the public school learning environments. If this kid was so dumb to ignore a cop, after she was given an out, too bad. I have no sympathy for her. None. Everybody complains about the public schools failing. It's about the discipline. I think of the Picard line about the Borg and compare it to schools and children. The line is something like, "They push forward and we fall back. They push forward and we fall back. The line must be drawn HERE!" Well, that's kind of how it is with students in many of our schools. Again, you will never have to worry about me initiating aggressive contact with a kid. I don't need to. But I will give them consequences for their actions. Hopefully that helps see my way of thinking. I also think people should spend some time volunteering in inner city schools to really get their eyes opened.
I don't think it is possible to make anything clear with you. I will try one more time. If a student will NOT leave your room, and you want them out, you call the office. If the office sends the school cop, and the kid refuses to comply, like this girl, she gets what she gets. Follow the direction of the police officer. Don't make it sound like the teacher called 9-1-1. That's just asinine.
The cop evidently took in the girl who taped the incident
South Carolina high school student who witnessed her classmate being physically abused by a school resource officer was arrested and held on $1,000 for filming the incident.
Niya Kenny, 18, told WLTX she was shocked and disturbed when she saw Officer Ben Fields flipping her female classmate out of her desk and pinning her to the ground for refusing to leave class.
“I was screaming ‘What the f, what the f is this really happening?’ I was praying out loud for the girl,” Kenny told WLTX. “I just couldn’t believe this was happening I was just crying and he said, since you have so much to say you are coming too. I just put my hands behind my back.”
South Carolina high school student who witnessed her classmate being physically abused by a school resource officer was arrested and held on $1,000 for filming the incident.
Niya Kenny, 18, told WLTX she was shocked and disturbed when she saw Officer Ben Fields flipping her female classmate out of her desk and pinning her to the ground for refusing to leave class.
“I was screaming ‘What the f, what the f is this really happening?’ I was praying out loud for the girl,” Kenny told WLTX. “I just couldn’t believe this was happening I was just crying and he said, since you have so much to say you are coming too. I just put my hands behind my back.”
Wow. A friend told me about this today. I'm just now seeing the video.
The video obviously doesn't show enough for us to get context, but I my opinion under no circumstances should an Leo do that to a child.
The video obviously doesn't show enough for us to get context, but I my opinion under no circumstances should an Leo do that to a child.
She gets what she gets. Perfect description of a horrible attitude.
Is anything too far for you?
Seen on a another forum:
Just heard the mayor on MSNBC.
He stated that:
1) the teacher asked the student to put away her cell phone...she refused
2) the teacher immediately asked the student numerous times to put away her cell phone...she refused
3) the teacher gave the student a disciplinary referral and sent her to the office...she refused to leave
4) the teacher immediately asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
5) the teacher called a school admin who then came to the classroom and asked the student to leave...she refused
5) the admin immediately asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
6) the school resource officer was called
7) the school resource officer asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
8) the school resource officer placed the student under arrest and told her to stand up...she refused
9) the school resource officer told her to stand up numerous times...she refused
My question is simple. What is the proper course of action in a situation like this?
Just heard the mayor on MSNBC.
He stated that:
1) the teacher asked the student to put away her cell phone...she refused
2) the teacher immediately asked the student numerous times to put away her cell phone...she refused
3) the teacher gave the student a disciplinary referral and sent her to the office...she refused to leave
4) the teacher immediately asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
5) the teacher called a school admin who then came to the classroom and asked the student to leave...she refused
5) the admin immediately asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
6) the school resource officer was called
7) the school resource officer asked the student numerous times to leave the classroom...she refused
8) the school resource officer placed the student under arrest and told her to stand up...she refused
9) the school resource officer told her to stand up numerous times...she refused
My question is simple. What is the proper course of action in a situation like this?
Just more "you can't touch me because I am a protected status" coming down the pike at you...pretty soon they will be allowed to walk into white folks homes and just take what they want...and all of you will be shocked here.
That's a weird thing to make up. Time has certainly helped my case on matters of police brutality, but if you're one of the people who cheers on the cop in this thread for abusing a harmless teenage girl then obviously you'll disagree.
If "get violent" is on your list of possible answers then you're a shitty human being who doesn't really understand the world around you or the people that live in it
When you're told to leave and you refuse to leave and lock your legs around the desk, you're going to be physically removed. This "student" isn't Rosa Parks.
Actually, the world is a very violent place. Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand the world around you and the people who live in it. Many of them would prefer you to be dead so they'd have a place to spit.
lol, thanks for affirming my opinion.
I'm not saying the world isn't violent, I'm saying that's because people commit violence when ample other solutions are available. You don't sound bright enough to see that, or decent enough to care.
White folks is a protected class too. So is male and Christian. Feel better?
Girl is an idiot. Cop is a bigger idiot. Anytime a cop gets mad at a suspect, they're doing their job wrong.
You volunteered to deal with the worst pieces of shit in society. Deal. With. It.
You volunteered to deal with the worst pieces of shit in society. Deal. With. It.
If I am not mistaken and its been a long time since I was in school, but I believe those desks slide across the floor rather easily.(even with someone in them) I think they even would slide right thru the door.
Slide kid and desk thru the door.
Leg or handcuff kid and desk to the nearest object in the hallway.
Leave kid there until she decides to give in and leave the school.
Walk the kid out of the school.
/situation.
Or shoot her dead.
/situation
Slide kid and desk thru the door.
Leg or handcuff kid and desk to the nearest object in the hallway.
Leave kid there until she decides to give in and leave the school.
Walk the kid out of the school.
/situation.
Or shoot her dead.
/situation
The thing is, I believe it's your attitude that is part of the problem. We aren't going to agree...and I am totally fine with this.
The student was asked to leave by the teacher, wouldn't. The Administrator was called in to deal
the student and asked her to leave. Wouldn't. The cop asked her to leave. Wouldn't
One thing that irritates me is that a cop has the right to be proactive to prevent injury to himself. You can argue that it was excessive, but the moment she hits him, stabs him with a pencil, goes for his eyes, etc. then what?
The student was disrupting the learning environment. What would happen if this was in a movie theatre and police were called in because a teenager wouldn't get off her phone and wouldn't leave despite being asked by employees? Same thing. Plus, the teacher and Administrator said it was justifiable actions by the officer.
the student and asked her to leave. Wouldn't. The cop asked her to leave. Wouldn't
One thing that irritates me is that a cop has the right to be proactive to prevent injury to himself. You can argue that it was excessive, but the moment she hits him, stabs him with a pencil, goes for his eyes, etc. then what?
The student was disrupting the learning environment. What would happen if this was in a movie theatre and police were called in because a teenager wouldn't get off her phone and wouldn't leave despite being asked by employees? Same thing. Plus, the teacher and Administrator said it was justifiable actions by the officer.
Though I agree with you, the Administrator that was in the room should have known better. If you are going to point fingers I would start with the Administrator.
Yeah they should have talked it out. Discussed everyone's feelings. Apologized for any perceived injustices.
Oops, there's the bell. No learning today.
So he told her before the video started rolling she would be placed under arrest. At that point she's resisting arrest by not following commands. I guess the cops are suppose let people go if they don't want to be arrested anymore.
Yes. It's called in-school suspension. Make her sit there all day and miss lunch/class with her friends.
You act like calling a cop to remove a student is some how less egregious than in-school suspension? I'm glad I don't have kids in the Davenport system...
Learning how to deal with a brat would probably be a good education. I'm not sure I ever learned it. I would probably just leave the room. Thank god I'm not a teacher.
No. Not really. It's missing the apprehensive element.
Assault
· Definition
o (1) An act by the defendant that (2) intentionally (3) creates imminent apprehension in the plaintiff of (4) physical contact (5) that is harmful or (6) offensive
It may be considered battery, depending on if you (or a judge/jury) find it meets the 2nd element.
Assault
· Definition
o (1) An act by the defendant that (2) intentionally (3) creates imminent apprehension in the plaintiff of (4) physical contact (5) that is harmful or (6) offensive
I've read through this entire thread, and read an awful lot on the incident...and once again, as with many situations we've been presented with through recent times...
If that girl would have simply made one single better decision - and in this case she had by my count at least 10 times to do so and chose not to - we aren't arguing about this today.
"Will you please spit out the gum and put away your cell phone?"
"Yes ma'am."
See how simple that was?
Her parents must be proud.
If that girl would have simply made one single better decision - and in this case she had by my count at least 10 times to do so and chose not to - we aren't arguing about this today.
"Will you please spit out the gum and put away your cell phone?"
"Yes ma'am."
See how simple that was?
Her parents must be proud.
I went to school from 1990-2002 in one of the more "rough" school districts in the state (although, my elementary was extremely nice). I never once saw a teacher do anything like this. The closest was once my middle school gym teacher/every sport coach broke up a fight between two 7th grade boys. He took one of them over to the closet and together they unpacked the wrestling mat and he said "if you boys want to fight, you're going to do it like men" and made them wrestle.
The idea that teachers should be beating students is so ridiculous to me. Just going to bring out more violence in the schools, when some child retaliates, perhaps even in a mass shooting way...
No, her parents probably drove straight to some scumbag lawyer's office.
"We're going to Vegas, baby girl! Good job!"
Funny. Mass shootings seems to have increased as the use of corporal punishment has decreased in schools. Perhaps we should bring back the board of education.
Do you see anyone arguing that the child was correct? Children are horrible, but adults with authority are supposed to rise above their level.
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