SC Cop drags student across the floor in class room

[slieb85]

Spoken like a true Socialist moving everyone to the middle.

The greatest of us is equal to the least. Classic bassist mentality.

Keep patronizing the weak.

I'm sure they will some day attain aspirations of mediocrity.

Lol. Socialist? That's a new one (especially when I voted for Gary Johnson and Ron Paul the last two elections...)

Do you honestly believe the girl on her cell phone/chewing gum, for what, a maximum of 45 minutes, is a bigger distraction than what is going on now??? Are you really that stupid?

Go beat off to the police state you and yours want.

 

[The Tradition]

The fact that you use the term "piggie" is revealing of your character.

 

[The Tradition]

Lol. Socialist? That's a new one (especially when I voted for Gary Johnson and Ron Paul the last two elections...)

Do you honestly believe the girl on her cell phone/chewing gum, for what, a maximum of 45 minutes, is a bigger distraction than what is going on now??? Are you really that stupid?

Go beat off to the police state you and yours want.

If I'm the parent of one of the other kids in that school, I would be totally pissed if the teacher just let everyone use their smartphones instead of paying attention in class. This girl got what she wanted. She didn't have to pay attention to the lesson.

 

[slieb85]

The fact that you use the term "piggie" is revealing of your character.

Oink oink.

I generally hate what LEOs have become. I have a few friends who are LEOs. I tell them this constantly. I doubt they like what they've become too.

Policing today is not what it was 40 years ago. It's a much more difficult job, and sadly, a strong portion have not adjusted well. I don't trust police, I don't like police, and I 100% will not interact with them unless absolutely necessary.

Oink oink piggie.

 

[Tom Paris]

Lol. Or maybe I was just an adult, laughed about it, and went back about my business.

And since the head of her group didn't say a word, I'm not sure that anyone else cared. Because, well, you know, these "distractions" probably aren't worth having a piggie drag a child out of her desk.

I hope you never need a police officer. Your attitude towards them is disgusting.

 

[22*43*51]

Lol. Socialist? That's a new one (especially when I voted for Gary Johnson and Ron Paul the last two elections...)

Do you honestly believe the girl on her cell phone/chewing gum, for what, a maximum of 45 minutes, is a bigger distraction than what is going on now??? Are you really that stupid?

Go beat off to the police state you and yours want.

Don't let emotion take away your big boy words.

I think you've mentioned aspiring to be a civil rights attorney.

So it makes sense that you want to impose impotence on your clients.

To bad you don't have an enabling opinion of minorities. Something that may inspire them.

A little encouragement could go a long way.

 

[5446myno]

You have been hitting the Scotch too much if you don't remember Myno's flame-out.

You think I had a flame out?

lol

 

[slieb85]

If I'm the parent of one of the other kids in that school, I would be totally pissed if the teacher just let everyone use their smartphones instead of paying attention in class. This girl got what she wanted. She didn't have to pay attention to the lesson.

How do you get "letting" out of what I'm saying?

Because it fits your narrative to have the big bad piggie punish her?

Let her sit on it for the rest of the period, and then punish her. Like I've been saying this entire thread.

Have none of you ever done something like this? Do you call out every single perceived slight immediately and never wait for a more appropriate time?

And for the record, I've said multiple times that the teacher/administrator were only very slightly at fault here. I would like to think if I was the teacher, I would have asked her once/twice, and then moved on, and punished her after class.

 

[slieb85]

Don't let emotion take away your big boy words.

I think you've mentioned aspiring to be a civil rights attorney.

So it makes sense that you want to impose impotence on your clients.

To bad you don't have an enabling opinion of minorities. Something that may inspire them.

A little encouragement could go a long way.

Transactional attorney, but close!

I don't get how waiting to punish the student after class is somehow "enabling" the behavior. Or creating "socialism" (lololololol). But then again, I don't get a lot of the idiotic crap you post.

 

[fredjr82]

You have been hitting the Scotch too much if you don't remember Myno's flame-out.

Don't recall that.

I only really remember coffhawk turning into Ben Matlock/Perry Mason (with a splash of Angela Lansbury) in every thread about the subject.

Different strokes...yada,yada,yada.

 

[The Tradition]

How do you get "letting" out of what I'm saying?

Because it fits your narrative to have the big bad piggie punish her?

Let her sit on it for the rest of the period, and then punish her. Like I've been saying this entire thread.

Have none of you ever done something like this? Do you call out every single perceived slight immediately and never wait for a more appropriate time?

And for the record, I've said multiple times that the teacher/administrator were only very slightly at fault here. I would like to think if I was the teacher, I would have asked her once/twice, and then moved on, and punished her after class.

You would have had to punish the entire class because if you lost that battle, the entire class would have followed her lead.

Are you really this freaking stupid about human nature?

 

[slieb85]

I hope you never need a police officer. Your attitude towards them is disgusting.

I hope I never do either. I am not sure that I like my odds of getting through that encounter alive.

Thanks for your concern!

 

[slieb85]

You would have had to punish the entire class because if you lost that battle, the entire class would have followed her lead.

Are you really this freaking stupid about human nature?

The whole class would have immediately pulled out their phones?

I guess the teacher has a great day the next day when everyone is in in-school suspension!

 

[22*43*51]

You think I had a flame out?

lol

Yes. You were so sure that Dorian Johnson was telling the truth.

You were so sure that no witnesses supporting Wilson could possibly be "black".

You were so sure that an "Angel" of a child was executed in cold blood.(with his "hands up")

Then the city of Ferguson said "nope".

The civil government of Missouri said "nope".

And Eric Holder said "you should be ashamed"..."ahem, but nothing happened here..."(grumble, grumble, sunofa...)

 

[The Tradition]

The whole class would have immediately pulled out their phones?

I guess the teacher has a great day the next day when everyone is in in-school suspension!

If she wins that battle, you better believe the kids are going to emulate her behavior.

And if everyone goes to "in school suspension" and she doesn't have anyone to teach, I guess she goes home with no pay.

And the kids don't have to listen to her anymore.

Everyone wins?

 

[22*43*51]

Transactional attorney, but close!

Well, you may actually make money at that.

Why does one student get to victimize 30?

 

[slieb85]

If she wins that battle, you better believe the kids are going to emulate her behavior.

And if everyone goes to "in school suspension" and she doesn't have anyone to teach, I guess she goes home with no pay.

And the kids don't have to listen to her anymore.

Everyone wins?

That's not winning the battle, as she would have been embarrassed and called out in front of all of her classmates, and then sent to in-school suspension.


That's not winning the battle, unless you're stupid enough to think that direct altercation is the only conflict management method available to a high school teacher. Oh... my bad.

 

[The Tradition]

Well, you may actually make money at that.

Why does one student get to victimize 30?

She was standing up for her right to check Facebook. She's like, Rosa Parks.

 

[The Tradition]

That's not winning the battle, as she would have been embarrassed and called out in front of all of her classmates, and then sent to in-school suspension.


That's not winning the battle, unless you're stupid enough to think that direct altercation is the only conflict management method available to a high school teacher. Oh... my bad.

Something tells me that THIS chick doesn't get embarrassed about anything.

Let's get into her head for a moment:

"No one is gonna tell me what to do. Who the hell do these authority figures think they are? I'm no slave. No one controls me, but me. Oh, you want me to leave? Well, I'm just gonna sit here and not leave. What are you gonna do about that?"

Well, she found out what the end game of that behavior. The fact that anyone finds anything wrong about what happened here is frankly sad. I weep for the wussification of our country.

 

[slieb85]

Well, you may actually make money at that.

Why does one student get to victimize 30?

I will, for a while at least (as long as I can make it in NYC).

It's not victimizing. Read my post I just posted. There are other conflict management methods available to someone in the teacher/LEOs situation, besides direct conflict.

And guess what? The students are far more victimized now, having seen their classmate drug from the room by a cop, who is sworn to "serve and protect", and having this story become national news.

You can call that the student's fault. I tend to lay responsibility with the adults in the situation. Cop, teacher, administrator. The girl is also really at fault, but ultimate responsibility lies with the adults.

 

[22*43*51]

That's not winning the battle, as she would have been embarrassed and called out in front of all of her classmates, and then sent to in-school suspension.

That is a consequence of her own behavior.

Don't rescue her and her classmates from a valuable life-lesson.

The lack of that lesson perpetuates uncivilized behavior.

 

[slieb85]

Something tells me that THIS chick doesn't get embarrassed about anything.

Let's get into her head for a moment:

"No one is gonna tell me what to do. Who the hell do these authority figures think they are? I'm no slave. No one controls me, but me. Oh, you want me to leave? Well, I'm just gonna sit here and not leave. What are you gonna do about that?

Well, then I guess we had better shoot her.

If you think that the only way to discipline a high school aged kid is with direct conflict, well, you're probably as stupid as I'm assuming you are.

 

[slieb85]

That is a consequence of her own behavior.

Don't rescue her and her classmates from a valuable life-lesson.

The lack of that lesson perpetuates uncivilized behavior.

How is it being rescued? I don't get this post. Calling her out and having everyone realize that she's in trouble is not perpetuating uncivilized behavior.

It's actually much more civilized than having a cop physically remove her from her desk.

 

[The Tradition]

Well, then I guess we had better shoot her.

If you think that the only way to discipline a high school aged kid is with direct conflict, well, you're probably as stupid as I'm assuming you are.

If he had SHOT her, that would be over the top. Instead, all that happened is that a trespasser was removed from the premises. Nothing at all wrong with that.

You keep saying there's all these wonderful conflict resolution methods that could have been deployed to stop this girl from openly defying the teacher and allowing classwork to continue. Please explain one of these methods that don't involve letting her continue to defy the teacher and disrupting class?

 

[22*43*51]

How is it being rescued? I don't get this post. Calling her out and having everyone realize that she's in trouble is not perpetuating uncivilized behavior.

It's actually much more civilized than having a cop physically remove her from her desk.

Where is disciple learned?

It apparently aisn't being learned in the home in this case.

If it isnt learned in school where the stakes are low, it will be learned on the streets where the stakes are high.

Again, patronizing is enabling destructive behavior.

 

[slieb85]

If he had SHOT her, that would be over the top. Instead, all that happened is that a trespasser was removed from the premises. Nothing at all wrong with that.

You keep saying there's all these wonderful conflict resolution methods that could have been deployed to stop this girl from openly defying the teacher and allowing classwork to continue. Please explain one of these methods that don't involve letting her continue to defy the teacher and disrupting class?

When you encounter someone who is hell-bent on staying in her chair, you can add punishment.

"Hey Susie, you need to put away your phone."
"Hey Susie, we're going to call your mom"
"Hey Susie, we're giving you 3 days detention"
"Hey Susie, you've got 1-day in-school suspension"

And move on. Let her play on the thing all damn day. Just punish her.

Again, how is that less distracting than calling in administration and LEO? At that point, aren't you sacrificing the 30 to deal with the 1?

 

[5446myno]

Yes. You were so sure that Dorian Johnson was telling the truth.

You were so sure that no witnesses supporting Wilson could possibly be "black".

You were so sure that an "Angel" of a child was executed in cold blood.(with his "hands up")

Then the city of Ferguson said "nope".

The civil government of Missouri said "nope".

And Eric Holder said "you should be ashamed"..."ahem, but nothing happened here..."(grumble, grumble, sunofa...)

My favorite part of this elaborate fantasy is that you used quotes on random words as if I'd actually said them.

The irony is that throughout that travesty I was continually trying to discuss the bigger picture and stay out of the details of the one case as much as possible, knowing that people like you were attempting to focus on trivial details on the notion that if they can discredit one small thing they can use that to decredit the larger picture. Just as you're still doing.

 

[The Tradition]

When you encounter someone who is hell-bent on staying in her chair, you can add punishment.

"Hey Susie, you need to put away your phone."
"Hey Susie, we're going to call your mom"
"Hey Susie, we're giving you 3 days detention"
"Hey Susie, you've got 1-day in-school suspension"

And move on. Let her play on the thing all damn day. Just punish her.

Again, how is that less distracting than calling in administration and LEO? At that point, aren't you sacrificing the 30 to deal with the 1?

"Hey teacher, shut the hell up I'm trying to play Candy Crush. Sheesh, such a nag."

 

[slieb85]

Where is disciple learned?

It apparently aisn't being learned in the home in this case.

If it isnt learned in school where the stakes are low, it will be learned on the streets where the stakes are high.

Again, patronizing is enabling destructive behavior.

But how is this discipline?

Discipline =/= force. Talk to her. Counsel her. Punish her. Force her to atone. Make her question why she acts that way.

Force, on the other hand, does nothing but distract and it can reinforce the bad behavior, cause a sort of resiliency in the kid. I think it's called something like faulty perception of coercion, if I remember right.

 

[22*43*51]

When you encounter someone who is hell-bent on staying in her chair, you can add punishment.

"Hey Susie, you need to put away your phone."
"Hey Susie, we're going to call your mom"
"Hey Susie, we're giving you 3 days detention"
"Hey Susie, you've got 1-day in-school suspension"

And move on. Let her play on the thing all damn day. Just punish her.

Again, how is that less distracting than calling in administration and LEO? At that point, aren't you sacrificing the 30 to deal with the 1?

You are crippling the entire group if you implant in them a lack of personal accountability.

That could be the worst lesson taught in their entire academic career.

 

[5446myno]

Well, you may actually make money at that.

Why does one student get to victimize 30?

Victimize? You just make up whatever you feel like? There wasn't even a disruption until the officer showed up. The kids had no idea what it was about at the time.

You defend violence against peaceful teenage girls. wtf is wrong with you?

 

[slieb85]

"Hey teacher, shut the hell up I'm trying to play Candy Crush. Sheesh, such a nag."

5-day suspension.

The other kids won't follow that lead.

I love how somehow physical removal from class is going to "keep kids in line" but threatening (and or following through with the threats) them with lengthy suspensions are assumed to do nothing.

This wasn't a violent child. She wasn't trying to fight someone. She wasn't endangering other students. If you can't handle this type of child without force, I sincerely doubt your ability to handle true problem children.

 

[slieb85]

You are crippling the entire group if you implant in them a lack of personal accountability.

That could be the worst lesson taught in their entire academic career.

How the hell is there lack of personal accountability in that scenario?

Because the student isn't immediately removed? Are you really that shortsighted?

 

[22*43*51]

But how is this discipline?

Discipline =/= force. Talk to her. Counsel her. Punish her. Force her to atone. Make her question why she acts that way.

Force, on the other hand, does nothing but distract and it can reinforce the bad behavior, cause a sort of resiliency in the kid. I think it's called something like faulty perception of coercion, if I remember right.

Those items you suggested were attempted and ignored.

If her mindset is reinforced in the street she will face greater
consequences as an employee, mother, neighbor, or citizen.

To compound her problems she is now being coddled and treated as a victim.

She is continuing to be paralyzed and set up for failure.

 

[The Tradition]

How the hell is there lack of personal accountability in that scenario?

Because the student isn't immediately removed? Are you really that shortsighted?

As a former high school troublemaker, you would have been laughed out of that classroom (if they didn't actually throw you out).

 

[longliveCS40]

The only time a police officer should use force with a suspect is even the suspect presents a danger to the cop, someone else or themselves.

Explain to me what danger this girl presented that she needed to be slammed to the floor.

Bottom line is that the cop got mad because this girl was obviously a bitch and had pissed everyone off. That is why he should be fired.

Multitude of different ways he could have handled the situation. He chose terribly and will pay for it. I hope the girl gets punished, too.

 

[22*43*51]

How the hell is there lack of personal accountability in that scenario?

Because the student isn't immediately removed? Are you really that shortsighted?

That situation is not hers to control, or dictate.

Just as it won't be with her employer, or landlord, or debtors.

You are advocating teaching a lesson that disables the entire class.

 

[slieb85]

To put it super simply to you 2 (and others).

If you're running a meeting tomorrow, and you notice an employee texting, are you 100% confronting them, in the middle of the meeting?

if so

Are you going to keep belaboring the point if the employee continues to text?

If so

Are you going to fire the employee?

if so

Are you going to call the police to have the employee removed if they continue to sit there?

OR

Do you think somewhere along the line, you realize that you're not having a productive interaction, and decide to continue your meeting, and then apply the appropriate punishment the next day?

Because anyone with a brain cuts the interaction short before firing the employee (during the meeting) and confronts the employee after the meeting.

And if you did that, and say fired the employee or demoted them or docked their pay or whatever punishment you decided was appropriate, do you REALLY think everyone is showing up at your next meeting and texting?

 

[The Tradition]

She got slammed to the floor because when he went to pull her out of her seat she locked her legs around it. Defiant to the end, that one was.

 

[22*43*51]

Victimize? You just make up whatever you feel like? There wasn't even a disruption until the officer showed up. The kids had no idea what it was about at the time.

You defend violence against peaceful teenage girls. wtf is wrong with you?

Careful. You're losing it again.

 

[slieb85]

As a former high school troublemaker, you would have been laughed out of that classroom (if they didn't actually throw you out).

Lol. So now high schoolers are going to physically remove a teacher from the classroom?

Ok. We've lost all touch on reality. Gonna go to bed now.