The CC Show....

[Joes Place]

He's arguing because he's a gigantic douchebag.

I'm responding to posters who are posting nonsense, easily debunked by data.

Several of them, now, have admitted that CC's play has substantially improved from her early games.
That was all I'd stated from the get-go. Now folks seem to be admitting it.

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

That did not seem to bother NBA legends like John Stockton

John Stockton played with men who knew how to play the game at a high level. Clark plays with uncoordinated women that are not very athletic at all, none of which really play the game at her pace naturally

 

[gohawks50]

The Olympics are over. We have disagreements on the logic of CC being left off the team. All I know is I didn't watch the Olympic team because I wasn't interested. I would have watched if CC was on the team. They made their choice and won the gold. It's over, but the CC show goes on. I'd rather talk about the present and the future than spend time arguing about the past. Go Fever!

 

[cidhawkeye]

This is what I've posted for pages here (and provided you clear "statistics" that prove it).

That her early play was spotty, and poor at times. A factor in why she was not considered for the Olympic team.
If she was playing back then like she is now, they may have made a spot for her; literally what Dawn Staley inferred in her interview that got everyone riled up here.

That is not what Dawn Staley said or inferred. You are making this up.

 

[cidhawkeye]

This is what I've posted for pages here (and provided you clear "statistics" that prove it).

That her early play was spotty, and poor at times. A factor in why she was not considered for the Olympic team.
If she was playing back then like she is now, they may have made a spot for her; literally what Dawn Staley inferred in her interview that got everyone riled up here.

‘This is what I've posted for pages here (and provided you clear "statistics" that prove it).’

Better than at least two Olympians whose primary role is ball handling. That is If the magic metric is a/to.
Pro tip. It isn’t.

 

[Joes Place]

John Stockton played with men who knew how to play the game at a high level. Clark plays with uncoordinated women that are not very athletic at all, none of which really play the game at her pace naturally

Oh, now it's a "women" problem.

We've moved into some fully new territory here...

 

[Joes Place]

That is not what Dawn Staley said or inferred

Yes
It absolutely is

 

[Joes Place]

‘This is what I've posted for pages here (and provided you clear "statistics" that prove it).’

Correct. Thx for reposting.

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

Oh, now it's a "women" problem.

We've moved into some fully new territory here...

Nah, she plays and flows like a dude, and that is why so many dudes will watch her. It was almost comical watching her teammates at Iowa on the floor with her.

 

[Joes Place]

10 assists (I think) away from tying the WNBA season record

306 and needs 316 to tie
Quite possibly could happen tomorrow.

 

[Joes Place]

Nah, she plays and flows like a dude, and that is why so many dudes will watch her. It was almost comical watching her teammates at Iowa on the floor with her.

Cuz no one else in the history of the WNBA has ever made a "dude" play...

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

Cuz no one else in the history of the WNBA has ever made a "dude" play...

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Sweet. 1 highlight. Clark does that stuff every day, and that is why NBA legends follow her.

 

[Joes Place]

Sweet. 1 highlight. Clark does that stuff every day

No, she doesn't.

When she's playing well, she will.
Multiple WNBA games this year she hasn't dished out a highlight reel assist.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Yes
It absolutely is

“she would be in really high
consideration of making a team because”

Does not equal ‘made a spot for’

 

[cidhawkeye]

Correct. Thx for reposting.

Weak effort. Ignoring the fact that she had a better number in your ‘key metric’ then multiple members of the team

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

No, she doesn't.

When she's playing well, she will.
Multiple WNBA games this year she hasn't dished out a highlight reel assist.

Lolz.

 

[Joes Place]

“she would be in really high
consideration of making a team because”

Yep.

 

[Joes Place]

Weak effort. Ignoring the fact that she had a better number in your ‘key metric’ then multiple members of the team

Now we're back to whining about the Olympics.

I was told we were now "past" that...

 

[cidhawkeye]

Now we're back to whining about the Olympics.

I was told we were now "past" that...

Okay Joe

 

[Bank of Hawk]

I'm responding to posters who are posting nonsense, easily debunked by data.

Several of them, now, have admitted that CC's play has substantially improved from her early games.
That was all I'd stated from the get-go. Now folks seem to be admitting it.

I will fully agree with you, that she had gotten better/adjusted her game to the positive, since the start of the WNBA season.

Personally, I never disagreed with this statement, but never gave it much thought either.

If that is truly your point, then you don’t have to convince me.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

That is how we compare player metrics.

It's how team owners 'rate' players for their contract renewals. It's how everyone in this thread is claiming how great she is based on Assists #s and Triple-Doubles, etc.

Now, statistics no longer matter?

Stats are not the only way to measure a player.
Movement without the ball.
How they move off screens
Backside help on defense.
Spacing
Hustle
Ball movement
On ball defense
Blocking out
There are many things that don’t show up in stats.

 

[hawkirugged17]

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Every record Caitlin Clark has set so far this season:
Fastest player to record 100 points and 50 assists: 8 games
Fastest player to record 150+ points, 50+ rebounds, and 50+ assists: 10 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points and 50+ assists: 12 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points, 75+ rebounds, and 75+ assists: 15 games
Fastest player to record 250+ points and 100+ assists: 17 games
Fastest player to record 300+ points, 100+ rebounds, and 100+ assists: 19 games
Fastest player to record 350+ points and 150+ assists: 22 games
First rookie to record 15+ points, 9+ rebounds, and 12+ assists in a single game (June 30, 2024, vs. Phoenix Mercury)
First rookie to record 15+ points, 10+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
First rookie to record 30 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 3 blocks in a single game (May 28, 2024, vs. Los Angeles Sparks)
First rookie to record 350 points, 100 rebounds, and 150 assists in rookie season (2024; achieved in 22 games)
First rookie to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First player in Franchise History to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First rookie with consecutive games recording 10+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 10+ assists (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Youngest player to record 30+ points, 5+ rebounds, 5+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers made in single game: 22 years, 4 months, 16 days (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Youngest player to record a double-double with points and assists in back-to-back games: 22 years, 5 months, 11 days (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Most point-assist double-doubles in WNBA history by a rookie: 4 (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
Franchise Single-season rookie leader in assists (2024)
Franchise Single-game leader in assists: 13 (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
Franchise Single-game rookie leader in three-point field goals made: 7 (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Rookie Record for Most Consecutive match with at least ONE 3pt made (22 and ongoing)
Franchise record for most Point-Assist Double Double in a season (4)
All-Time Franchise record for Point-Assist Double Doubles (4)
Most 15+ Pts, 5+ Ast, 5+Ast games for a Rookie in a season (10 & Counting)
Fever Franchise record for most consecutive 10 / 5 /5 games (5)
First player in WNBA and NBA history to record 25+ points, 10+ assists, 5+ rebounds, 5+ steals, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (July 10, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
ONLY rookie in WNBA history with multiple games of 20+ points and 10+ assists in a season
Most double-doubles by a rookie guard in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA history to record 400 PTS + 100 REB + 150 AST
Franchise record for most assists (7) in a single quarter in the first quarter
Most 20 PTS | 5 REB | 5 AST games by a Rookie in a Season in WNBA history
Most Consecutive games with 5+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Most Consecutive games with 10+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Only Rookie to score 400 PTS and 200 AST in WNBA History
Tied Fastest Player to reach 200 AST (26 Games, tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
Fastest Player to reach 400 PTS & 200 AST (26 Games)
Most Points scored or Assisted in a single game in WNBA history (66)
Most Points scored or assisted by a rookie in a single season (915+)
Most assists in a single season in Indiana Fever history (19)
Most assists in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists by a Rookie in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists in a single game in Indiana Fever history (19)
1st player with 20+ PTS, 15+ AST, and 5+ REB in a WNBA game
Most Assist in a Half (11 , tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
WNBA All-Star Game rookie record for Assist (10 AST)
Most 10+ Assist Games in Indiana Fever Franchise History (not just a single season but entire history) - 7 (and counting)
1st player in WNBA history to record 50+ PTS & 25+ AST in a 2 game span
1st rookie to record 450+ PTS & 200+ AST in WNBA History
WNBA rookie record for most games with 25+ PTS , 5+ REB, 10+ AST
WNBA rookie record for most assists in a season
Indiana Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 3-point made
1st WNBA rookie to reach 500+ PTS 200+ AST 150+ REB in a season
Fastest Player to reach 500 PTS 200 AST in WNBA history
Most 15 PTS 5 AST games in a season (21 and counting)
Rookie Record for most 3PM in a season
Most Consecutive 15-5-5 games in WNBA History
Rookie Record for most games with 10+ AST in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 30+ PTS game in a single season
Fever Franchise record for for consecutive matches with 1+ 3PM
Fever Rookie record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 25+ PTS game in a single season
Longest span averaging 25 points + 10 assists in WNBA history (5 games)
Most 25 point + 10 assist games in a season in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA or NBA history to be ‘Player of the Week’ for three consecutive weeks
First player in WNBA history to have a season recording: 500+ PTS 250+ AST 75+ 3PM
First player in WNBA history to have multiple career games with: 25+ PTS 10+ AST 5+ 3PM

 

[hawkirugged17]

 

[TJ8869]

Do we need to make a new HBOT CC thread so we can move the f on?

Done. Hopefully the new thread can stay focused on Indiana’s playoff run and this thread can finally die a merciful death.

 

[cidhawkeye]

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Every record Caitlin Clark has set so far this season:
Fastest player to record 100 points and 50 assists: 8 games
Fastest player to record 150+ points, 50+ rebounds, and 50+ assists: 10 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points and 50+ assists: 12 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points, 75+ rebounds, and 75+ assists: 15 games
Fastest player to record 250+ points and 100+ assists: 17 games
Fastest player to record 300+ points, 100+ rebounds, and 100+ assists: 19 games
Fastest player to record 350+ points and 150+ assists: 22 games
First rookie to record 15+ points, 9+ rebounds, and 12+ assists in a single game (June 30, 2024, vs. Phoenix Mercury)
First rookie to record 15+ points, 10+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
First rookie to record 30 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 3 blocks in a single game (May 28, 2024, vs. Los Angeles Sparks)
First rookie to record 350 points, 100 rebounds, and 150 assists in rookie season (2024; achieved in 22 games)
First rookie to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First player in Franchise History to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First rookie with consecutive games recording 10+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 10+ assists (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Youngest player to record 30+ points, 5+ rebounds, 5+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers made in single game: 22 years, 4 months, 16 days (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Youngest player to record a double-double with points and assists in back-to-back games: 22 years, 5 months, 11 days (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Most point-assist double-doubles in WNBA history by a rookie: 4 (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
Franchise Single-season rookie leader in assists (2024)
Franchise Single-game leader in assists: 13 (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
Franchise Single-game rookie leader in three-point field goals made: 7 (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Rookie Record for Most Consecutive match with at least ONE 3pt made (22 and ongoing)
Franchise record for most Point-Assist Double Double in a season (4)
All-Time Franchise record for Point-Assist Double Doubles (4)
Most 15+ Pts, 5+ Ast, 5+Ast games for a Rookie in a season (10 & Counting)
Fever Franchise record for most consecutive 10 / 5 /5 games (5)
First player in WNBA and NBA history to record 25+ points, 10+ assists, 5+ rebounds, 5+ steals, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (July 10, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
ONLY rookie in WNBA history with multiple games of 20+ points and 10+ assists in a season
Most double-doubles by a rookie guard in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA history to record 400 PTS + 100 REB + 150 AST
Franchise record for most assists (7) in a single quarter in the first quarter
Most 20 PTS | 5 REB | 5 AST games by a Rookie in a Season in WNBA history
Most Consecutive games with 5+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Most Consecutive games with 10+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Only Rookie to score 400 PTS and 200 AST in WNBA History
Tied Fastest Player to reach 200 AST (26 Games, tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
Fastest Player to reach 400 PTS & 200 AST (26 Games)
Most Points scored or Assisted in a single game in WNBA history (66)
Most Points scored or assisted by a rookie in a single season (915+)
Most assists in a single season in Indiana Fever history (19)
Most assists in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists by a Rookie in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists in a single game in Indiana Fever history (19)
1st player with 20+ PTS, 15+ AST, and 5+ REB in a WNBA game
Most Assist in a Half (11 , tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
WNBA All-Star Game rookie record for Assist (10 AST)
Most 10+ Assist Games in Indiana Fever Franchise History (not just a single season but entire history) - 7 (and counting)
1st player in WNBA history to record 50+ PTS & 25+ AST in a 2 game span
1st rookie to record 450+ PTS & 200+ AST in WNBA History
WNBA rookie record for most games with 25+ PTS , 5+ REB, 10+ AST
WNBA rookie record for most assists in a season
Indiana Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 3-point made
1st WNBA rookie to reach 500+ PTS 200+ AST 150+ REB in a season
Fastest Player to reach 500 PTS 200 AST in WNBA history
Most 15 PTS 5 AST games in a season (21 and counting)
Rookie Record for most 3PM in a season
Most Consecutive 15-5-5 games in WNBA History
Rookie Record for most games with 10+ AST in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 30+ PTS game in a single season
Fever Franchise record for for consecutive matches with 1+ 3PM
Fever Rookie record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 25+ PTS game in a single season
Longest span averaging 25 points + 10 assists in WNBA history (5 games)
Most 25 point + 10 assist games in a season in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA or NBA history to be ‘Player of the Week’ for three consecutive weeks
First player in WNBA history to have a season recording: 500+ PTS 250+ AST 75+ 3PM
First player in WNBA history to have multiple career games with: 25+ PTS 10+ AST 5+ 3PM

League average when she set most of those. She has elevated her game even higher since then. Glad the Fever have learned to win in spite of her.

 

[Tenacious E]

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Every record Caitlin Clark has set so far this season:
Fastest player to record 100 points and 50 assists: 8 games
Fastest player to record 150+ points, 50+ rebounds, and 50+ assists: 10 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points and 50+ assists: 12 games
Fastest player to record 200+ points, 75+ rebounds, and 75+ assists: 15 games
Fastest player to record 250+ points and 100+ assists: 17 games
Fastest player to record 300+ points, 100+ rebounds, and 100+ assists: 19 games
Fastest player to record 350+ points and 150+ assists: 22 games
First rookie to record 15+ points, 9+ rebounds, and 12+ assists in a single game (June 30, 2024, vs. Phoenix Mercury)
First rookie to record 15+ points, 10+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
First rookie to record 30 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 3 blocks in a single game (May 28, 2024, vs. Los Angeles Sparks)
First rookie to record 350 points, 100 rebounds, and 150 assists in rookie season (2024; achieved in 22 games)
First rookie to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First player in Franchise History to record a triple-double (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
First rookie with consecutive games recording 10+ points, 5+ rebounds, and 10+ assists (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Youngest player to record 30+ points, 5+ rebounds, 5+ assists, and 5+ three-pointers made in single game: 22 years, 4 months, 16 days (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Youngest player to record a double-double with points and assists in back-to-back games: 22 years, 5 months, 11 days (June 30 and July 2, 2024)
Most point-assist double-doubles in WNBA history by a rookie: 4 (July 6, 2024, vs. New York Liberty)
Franchise Single-season rookie leader in assists (2024)
Franchise Single-game leader in assists: 13 (June 23, 2024, vs. Chicago Sky)
Franchise Single-game rookie leader in three-point field goals made: 7 (June 7, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
Rookie Record for Most Consecutive match with at least ONE 3pt made (22 and ongoing)
Franchise record for most Point-Assist Double Double in a season (4)
All-Time Franchise record for Point-Assist Double Doubles (4)
Most 15+ Pts, 5+ Ast, 5+Ast games for a Rookie in a season (10 & Counting)
Fever Franchise record for most consecutive 10 / 5 /5 games (5)
First player in WNBA and NBA history to record 25+ points, 10+ assists, 5+ rebounds, 5+ steals, and 5+ three-pointers in a single game (July 10, 2024, vs. Washington Mystics)
ONLY rookie in WNBA history with multiple games of 20+ points and 10+ assists in a season
Most double-doubles by a rookie guard in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA history to record 400 PTS + 100 REB + 150 AST
Franchise record for most assists (7) in a single quarter in the first quarter
Most 20 PTS | 5 REB | 5 AST games by a Rookie in a Season in WNBA history
Most Consecutive games with 5+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Most Consecutive games with 10+ AST by a Rookie in WNBA History
Only Rookie to score 400 PTS and 200 AST in WNBA History
Tied Fastest Player to reach 200 AST (26 Games, tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
Fastest Player to reach 400 PTS & 200 AST (26 Games)
Most Points scored or Assisted in a single game in WNBA history (66)
Most Points scored or assisted by a rookie in a single season (915+)
Most assists in a single season in Indiana Fever history (19)
Most assists in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists by a Rookie in a single game in WNBA history (19)
Most assists in a single game in Indiana Fever history (19)
1st player with 20+ PTS, 15+ AST, and 5+ REB in a WNBA game
Most Assist in a Half (11 , tied with Ticha Penicheiro)
WNBA All-Star Game rookie record for Assist (10 AST)
Most 10+ Assist Games in Indiana Fever Franchise History (not just a single season but entire history) - 7 (and counting)
1st player in WNBA history to record 50+ PTS & 25+ AST in a 2 game span
1st rookie to record 450+ PTS & 200+ AST in WNBA History
WNBA rookie record for most games with 25+ PTS , 5+ REB, 10+ AST
WNBA rookie record for most assists in a season
Indiana Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 3-point made
1st WNBA rookie to reach 500+ PTS 200+ AST 150+ REB in a season
Fastest Player to reach 500 PTS 200 AST in WNBA history
Most 15 PTS 5 AST games in a season (21 and counting)
Rookie Record for most 3PM in a season
Most Consecutive 15-5-5 games in WNBA History
Rookie Record for most games with 10+ AST in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 30+ PTS game in a single season
Fever Franchise record for for consecutive matches with 1+ 3PM
Fever Rookie record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise record for Highest APG in a season
Fever Franchise Rookie record for most 25+ PTS game in a single season
Longest span averaging 25 points + 10 assists in WNBA history (5 games)
Most 25 point + 10 assist games in a season in WNBA history
First rookie in WNBA or NBA history to be ‘Player of the Week’ for three consecutive weeks
First player in WNBA history to have a season recording: 500+ PTS 250+ AST 75+ 3PM
First player in WNBA history to have multiple career games with: 25+ PTS 10+ AST 5+ 3PM

 

[Joes Place]

Stats are not the only way to measure a player.
Movement without the ball.
How they move off screens
Backside help on defense.
Spacing
Hustle
Ball movement
On ball defense
Blocking out
There are many things that don’t show up in stats.

Most of those eventually correlate to one of the metrics.

CC is not known for her tenacious defense, either. In fact, early on, she was a liability on defense (I watched)

 

[Joes Place]

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Already locked up the Most Turnovers...

A stat she will need to work on to get to elite level

 

[Joes Place]

I will fully agree with you, that she had gotten better/adjusted her game to the positive, since the start of the WNBA season.
me.

This is what the others have been complaining about the entire thread.
Her level of play has improved enormously over the course of (less than) one season. Most elite players require a season or two before they really get to that point.

You can see it pretty clearly in the metrics, and she's outperformed all of the past 6 league rookies in that respect. It's just odd that folks are stuck in the "she was already great enough" for Olympics (she might have been, but had not proven herself), when what's really impressive is how her play has improved after her first 10 games.

Kind of like how coaches refer to minor-league baseball players vs major league stars.
Minor leaguers take months (or longer) to make batting adjustments being pushed at them.
When you make your jump to the majors, you're making those adjustments in a week or so
The real stars (and All Stars) make those adjustments between at-bats, after seeing a pitcher once or twice.

CC is making those competitive adjustments game to game now. The result is a team that started 2-9 and has since gone 17-8, a .680 winning percentage, that make them a team most don't want to match up against in the playoffs. A healthy Fagbenle could make them a very dangerous team if she's 100%.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Most of those eventually correlate to one of the metrics.

CC is not known for her tenacious defense, either. In fact, early on, she was a liability on defense (I watched)

point was: you said stats are how you measure how good a player is. It is not. You are wrong and that is tough for you. Just move on.

 

[Tenacious E]

This is what the others have been complaining about the entire thread.
Her level of play has improved enormously over the course of (less than) one season. Most elite players require a season or two before they really get to that point.

You can see it pretty clearly in the metrics, and she's outperformed all of the past 6 league rookies in that respect. It's just odd that folks are stuck in the "she was already great enough" for Olympics (she might have been, but had not proven herself), when what's really impressive is how her play has improved after her first 10 games.

Kind of like how coaches refer to minor-league baseball players vs major league stars.
Minor leaguers take months (or longer) to make batting adjustments being pushed at them.
When you make your jump to the majors, you're making those adjustments in a week or so
The real stars (and All Stars) make those adjustments between at-bats, after seeing a pitcher once or twice.

CC is making those competitive adjustments game to game now. The result is a team that started 2-9 and has since gone 17-8, a .680 winning percentage, that make them a team most don't want to match up against in the playoffs. A healthy Fagbenle could make them a very dangerous team if she's 100%.

I don't know why I am reengaging and the point has surely been made, but the improvement in her stats more reflect her teammates and her coaches adjusting to her rather than her doing a whole lot differently. Sure she improved, but she was the same player who just a month earlier put a period on a season resulting in this:

 

[cidhawkeye]

Most rebounds for a WNBA rookie guard, 4th most all time.
Stat check

 

[cidhawkeye]

This is what the others have been complaining about the entire thread.
Her level of play has improved enormously over the course of (less than) one season. Most elite players require a season or two before they really get to that point.

You can see it pretty clearly in the metrics, and she's outperformed all of the past 6 league rookies in that respect. It's just odd that folks are stuck in the "she was already great enough" for Olympics (she might have been, but had not proven herself), when what's really impressive is how her play has improved after her first 10 games.

Kind of like how coaches refer to minor-league baseball players vs major league stars.
Minor leaguers take months (or longer) to make batting adjustments being pushed at them.
When you make your jump to the majors, you're making those adjustments in a week or so
The real stars (and All Stars) make those adjustments between at-bats, after seeing a pitcher once or twice.

CC is making those competitive adjustments game to game now. The result is a team that started 2-9 and has since gone 17-8, a .680 winning percentage, that make them a team most don't want to match up against in the playoffs. A healthy Fagbenle could make them a very dangerous team if she's 100%.

“It's just odd that folks are stuck in the "she was already great enough" for Olympics”

Past that, move on.

 

[hawkeye54545]

Mental illness is an interesting thing to watch. In this case I think it's some form of narcissism.

 

[Joes Place]

point was: you said stats are how you measure how good a player is. It is not.

Yes; they absolutely are.

Pointing out there are also "intangibles" does not change that simple fact.

 

[Joes Place]

Sure she improved, but she was the same player who just a month earlier put a period on a season resulting in this:

No, she was not "the same player".
Her performance metrics are nearly double what they were.

Posting college stats does not alter that fact.
Compare CC's freshman year #s to her senior year. Same thing.

 

[Tenacious E]

No, she was not "the same player".
Her performance metrics are nearly double what they were.

Posting college stats does not alter that fact.
Compare CC's freshman year #s to her senior year. Same thing.

You're right, she was a completely transformed woman in May 2024 from April 2024.

 

[ZachJump]

Yes; they absolutely are.

Pointing out there are also "intangibles" does not change that simple fact.

Please don't tell that to Kate Martin

 

[Joes Place]

Please don't tell that to Kate Martin

Which awards is Martin being considered for this year?

 

[Hans81]

Which awards is Martin being considered for this year?

Do you need to get an “award” to be considered a good player? Heck, just being fortunate enough to make a WNBA roster is reward enough.