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Top Gun: Maverick

They explain in the movie why they don't.

But to your point, the Navy probably didnt want to give anyone that much access to them.

Actually, I read the movie called for the F-18, and the article insinuated the F-35C was available.

Edit: they needed a two-seater and F-35 was one. Which still makes me think they would've let them use the F-35 had it worked out.

Also read the movie paid the US Navy over $11,200 an hour to operate. Cruise wasn't allowed to touch any controls due to Pentagon & civilian rules, and the actual Top Gun pilots are actually all 'air nerds' (nothing arrogant or cocky about them).
 
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Edit: they needed a two-seater and F-35 was one. Which still makes me think they would've let them use the F-35 had it worked out.
F-35 is single seat only. They don’t even have a two seat trainer.
Israel has inquired about modifications to make a two seater.
I’d presume at this point they’ve used them the most in combat of anyone that has them (attacking Syria).
 
Heard from a poster on here (before it’s release) that this would be “Flop Gun.” This isn’t accurate?
 
Couldn't work it into today's schedule but am planning to get to the 11am showing tomorrow. Alone if I have to. Wife doesn't seem super interested. Endgame was the last movie I saw in the theater.
 
The F-35 can’t simultaneously fly and shoot missiles. It’s a worthless POS.

There’s a reason that both the Air Force and Navy are pushing a faster timeline for acquiring their respective the sixth gen NGAD (Next Generation Air Dominance) fighters. The Air Force has already flown a prototype of their NGAD about five years ahead of their original plan because the F-35s are such a POS that they’ve ruined the F-22 airframes by running too many hours on them.

The original Air Force plan was to jettison the F-16s and A-10s entirely and use the existing F-15s as backup/secondary fighter and attack craft while the F-22s were the frontline interceptors/fighters and the F-35s served as secondary interceptors/fighters, the main attack planes and took over close air support. Instead, the F-35s have proven useless as fighters/interceptors and can’t beat out the A-10s for Close Air Support. They barely function as standard attack craft.

So as a result, the Air Force have completely switched long term plans and are producing new F-15EX to fill in for the F-35s as secondary frontline fighters/interceptors until the F-22s completely disintegrate or hopefully the new Air Force NGAD is brought online. The A-10s are getting new wings to continue their service WAY past their planned lifetime. The F-16s will be kept as secondary attack Craft almost a decade past their previously planned retirement.

So in other words, here was the original plan versus current plan in bold thanks to the F-35 completely failing almost across the board.

Type: original Plan vs current plan
Frontline Fighter/Int: F-22 vs F-15EX & NGAD
Secondary Fighter: F-35 vs F-15EX
Primary Attack: F-35 vs F-15E, F-15EX & F-35
Secondary Attack: F-15E vs F-16C
Close Air Support: F-35 vs A-10 modified

And the Navy likewise has completely revised its plan which was essentially nothing but F-35s and will load up on more Super Hornets at about the same rate as the F-35s. They weren’t planning on needing a quick NGAD but instead they are ramping their program up as well (despite the same name, the AF and Navy NGAD programs have different planes involved, they at least learned their lesson here).

Type: original Plan vs current plan
Frontline Fighter/Int: F-35 vs FA-18E & NGAD
Secondary Fighter: F-35 vs FA-18E
Primary Attack: F-35 vs FA-18E & F-35
Secondary Attack: FA-18E vs FA-18E
This guy OWNS CLINICS!
 
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His post is chock full of utter bullshit. 😂

Really dip#*%*? How about the word of a fecking AF General


“The U.S. Air Force’s Deputy Chief of Staff for Strategy, Integration, and Requirements, Lieutenant General Clint Hinote, provided new insight into the state of the F-35 stealth fighter program in an interview with Defense News. The general stated that there was no value in including the Air Force’s F-35A fighter fleet in war games simulating future high-end conflicts because it was highly unlikely that the troubled stealth fighter would be able to make a contribution. “It wouldn’t be worth it," he said, as.”every [F-35] fighter that rolls off the line today is a fighter that we wouldn’t even bother putting into these scenarios” - indicating that serious improvements to the aircraft would be needed to provide any viability for combat against a near peer adversary. The general also cited the F-35As limited range, which in the context of a war in East Asia was a major limiting factor.

General Hinote’s interview followed multiple reports pointing to the fact that the F-35, despite entering service in late 2014, is still years away from being ready for high intensity combat against a high end adversary. One of the more widely publicised of these reports was published in the National Interest by Marine Captain Dan Grazier, and highlighted “a host of alarming problems” and ‘the F-35’s lack of progress in nearly every essential area” to bring it closer to a combat ready state. Among many other issues, these included continued malfunctions for “most combat-crucial computer systems,” major cybersecurity vulnerabilities, and “so many cracks” requiring “so many repairs and modifications” to Navy and Air Force variants of the aircraft - problems with which would prevent them from even flying supersonically.“

The F-35 program has been subject to growing criticism, with the last holder of the post of Secretary of Defense under the Donald Trump administration, Christopher C. Miller, referring to the program as a “monster” the military had created and to the fighter itself as “a piece of…” Former Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain previously referred to the F-35 as “a textbook example’ of the country’s ‘broken defence acquisition system,” stating in a briefing to the Senate: “the F-35 program’s record of performance has been both a scandal and a tragedy with respect to cost, schedule and performance.” The fighter’s underperformance was criticised by sources ranging from military think tanks such as the NSN and the RAND Corporation, to organisations such as the Project on Government Oversight and individuals such as the Pentagon’s chief weapons tester Michael Gilmore and Marine Captain Dan Grazier. The Pentagon repeatedly highlighted that the F-35 suffered from poor reliability and that the aircraft’s high operational costs could make it unaffordable in the numbers initially intended to be purchased, with technical challenges repeatedly delaying the Pentagon’s granting of approval for full scale production which has yet to be granted. The U.S. Air Force is reportedly seriously considering deep cuts to planned orders for the aircraft, and instead acquiring cheaper and simpler jets possibly based on the F-16 design - an aircraft which first flew in 1974.”
 
I'll chime in just to say, @FSUTribe76 is spot on that the F-35 program is utter garbage! Best example of government waste on record today.

FWIW, the F-22 is far superior any way.

Yep and Congress wishes they hadn’t stupidly done away with the machinery to make more or had enough foresight to make more in the beginning. The only reason the F-22 is going to be phased out early isn’t because IT is garbage but because the F-35 is such garbage that the F-22s are having to fly 3 or 4 times as many missions as they should and the air frames are getting destroyed. Before Congress went ahead and ordered up the F-15EXs they looked into building new production for either the F-22 and even the failed competitor F-23 but it was just too pricey for a stopgap measure. Hence the pressure to bring the NGAD up sooner than it probably should.
 
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I heard the 35 cannot simultaneously fly and fire missiles. A guy who OWNS CLINICS said it.

That true?

It can’t fly and fire its gun without causing severe damage.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-can’t-fire-its-cannon-without-committing-suicide-122541

And when missiles are launched the heat from the engines delaminates the stealth paint on the plane turning it into an incredibly slow (just mach 1.67 max) and easy to see boondoggle. And they’re only stealthy to begin with if they only use internal weapon bays which limits them to two sidewinders and the gun they can’t fire.
 
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It can’t fly and fire its gun without causing severe damage.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-can’t-fire-its-cannon-without-committing-suicide-122541

And when missiles are launched the heat from the engines delaminates the stealth paint on the plane turning it into an incredibly slow (just mach 1.67 max) and easy to see boondoggle. And they’re only stealthy to begin with if they only use internal weapon bays which limits them to two sidewinders and the gun they can’t fire.
"The F-35 can’t simultaneously fly and shoot missiles."
 
Is the Israeli utilization of F-35s just MIC disinformation?


“In a rare reversal of the national security establishment, the Israeli government has decided to decrease the planned procurement of F-35A Joint Strike Fighters from 50 to 33 aircraft in the coming years”

Isreal can’t afford to cut all and hurt it’s main and really only ally. Without linking to a lot of other articles, Israel has recently approved the procurement back up to 50 but that’s below the 100 they said they would buy.
 
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“In a rare reversal of the national security establishment, the Israeli government has decided to decrease the planned procurement of F-35A Joint Strike Fighters from 50 to 33 aircraft in the coming years”

Isreal can’t afford to cut all and hurt it’s main and really only ally. Without linking to a lot of other articles, Israel has recently approved the procurement back up to 50 but that’s below the 100 they said they would buy.
This confirms what we know about how much more expensive they are to operate than anticipated, and budgets have their say in the real world, but why is Israel buying and using an airframe you assert can’t ‘fly and fire missiles’?

They don’t have the depth in their Air Force to take on an albatross. If it is truly so useless, why would they be looking to double their number from 33 to 75 and add a third squadron?

The main reason the US pivoted to the F-35 was the costs of the F-22 also overran, but the Obey amendment prevents us from selling these to our allies and leaning on them to help support the cost of maintaining parts production lines.

Wisconsin Democrats, whaddaya gonna do?
 
Crazy to believe but Maverick is the first Tom Cruise movie to clear 100 million on opening weekend. They think with Memorial Day it will clear 150 million
 
That was great!!! Good mix of old and new. Some laughs, thrills and even touching moments.
And, it was back at San Diego but they weren’t actually at Top Gun, but training a group of graduates for a mission so Nevada wasn’t needed.
 
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That was great!!! Good mix of old and new. Some laughs, thrills and even touching moments.
And, it was back at San Diego but they weren’t actually at Too Gun, but training a group of graduates for a mission so Nevada wasn’t needed.
Loved it as well with the same thoughts. And for bdg8 can’t imagine an 8-year old NOT loving it. Action packed. The only somewhat negative review was from my FIL who in an old man yells at cloud moment said, “it was alright. Too many airplanes.”
 
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Variety:
“Top Gun: Maverick” pulled in blockbuster ticket sales in its opening weekend, collecting $134 million from a record 4,732 North American cinemas. Paramount and Skydance’s all-American action adventure is expected to collect $151 million through Monday, defying expectations while also setting a new high-water mark for Memorial Day opening weekends.
 
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