Well thank God the 8 minutes Ava played 2 months ago slowed Audi Crooks, it’s not like she torched us for 30 plus….🙄
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Well thank God the 8 minutes Ava played 2 months ago slowed Audi Crooks, it’s not like she torched us for 30 plus….🙄
Her physicality made a difference in the game which was the point you insufferable jackass.
No, not it 8 minutes while she grinded away for 35 minutes. Look I’m sorry I interject reality into biased arguments but you’re seeing what you want to see. I never make a statement about a scenario without either knowing the surrounding circumstances or looking at them before hand.
For example, I doubt you knew Audi played 35 minutes, just like I doubt you know she averages 28.7. I’m a fan of Audi but that is WAAAYYY too many minutes. She could have played vs air and been gassed at the end.
2nd based on the play by play chart & the closeness of the game & AOG & HS only having 3 fouls, she wouldn’t have played much in the 4th if at all.
So insufferable or not, I do like to force bias & “hoping” out of the equation and yes sometimes I’m a dick, but history tells me people rarely get the point when they are “already” convinced their agenda is accurate
Audi was tired, period.
I didn't read your long-winded garbage but if my memory is correct her second half was way less effective than her first half and all I said was she had a quiet impact so maybe print out the definition of quiet impact Read it 500 times and then shove the paper up your ass. I also haven't been on here whining about her minutes dumbass. And just noticed your last part of the post that I have an agenda. You're a stupider than I thought. Before I just thought you were annoying as f*** even when I agree with you most of the time.
Audi had 23 points when Heiden subbed in for O'Grady with 5:16 left in the 3rd quater. Ava played the remander of the 3rd guarding Crooks. Heiden hustled her ass off fronting her and had two block shots. Crooks scored two baskets when Heiden was in, one of those she was guarded by Mallegni who came over to help on a lob pass over Heiden.
The 5 plus minutes Ava played to close out the 3rd were crucial minutes. The first half of the 3rd quarter O'Grady was getting lit up. That's why Jan put Heiden in for her.
Wow stupider than you thought, thats probably a huge compliment. In essence Audi played 35 minutes, way too many. She could have played air & been tired. She averages 28.7 thanks for agreeing w/me sometimes, I guess 😕 I responded to what you said period
Should have left her in? 🤷♂️ I do see she had 3 fouls in 8 minutes. That’s tough to do, it’s like she lacks experience and fouls a lot
lol….yes I can be. And I’ll ask your forgiveness and take note that it seems I lumped you in with some folks I truly don’t care for and don’t care if they like me. I’m mostly a lover & that’s a fact. But I do have shortcomings. I bristle at off handed couch coaching from the assholes and as you can tell I’m a natural at being a condescending jackass. In fact I’m better at it than they are 😕 I’ve had to work on it because I don’t like that version of me. But there are some I just don’t care🤷♂️
It’s why I take time away from these boards and I avoid the football & men’s basketball board like the plague anymore.
I should do better, I lose my patience. There are those @littlez @kceasthawk who tell me when I’m really being out of line. I do apologize.
If you caught on the street, I’d likely be the guy holding the door open for you, laughing, joking, and saying nice things.
But I have some poor moments🤦🏻 I’ll do better
For perspective going into the ISU game I knew very little about Ava. I just knew she was a true Freshman Center so when I saw her do decent against a girl like Crooks it impressed me. Especially since I didn't feel like she was physically overpowered, which was impressive for a true freshman Center against a tank. That's just how I remembered the game. And why it left an impression. Remember at that time she was a question mark to me.
Thank you. I just remember she impressed me at an early point in the season when I had no idea what to expect from her.
Fair assessment, I believe we all think she has major upside I’m honestly not sure why Jan isn’t utilizing her more, but we seem to better with our core group now. It’s obviously fine to question things. Like I said, for as smart as I can be, I can be equally that dumb, maybe more so. I definitely try to take a different tone with people I respect but as our Lord and Savior says anybody can do that so I should probably try to do better.… I might want to stay out of the game threads lol
Again I do apologize
No contest at all by the Hawks on that drive.
Forgot it was on… it seems I didn’t miss much
No - I don't think she should have stayed in. But she did a good job. I just want Ava to get some minutes, that's all.
Again, Heiden was projected to start at the 5 at the beginning of the season. The only reason she didn't start was because she got sick. O'Graddy feasted on poor competition and solidified her spot thereby sending Heiden to the bench. What could have been!!!! I'm not saying they would have a better record but I don't necessarily think it would be any worst. The main difference would be that Heiden would be nicely prepped for the next 3 years.
So is it your opinion Jan who is considered one of the best post coaches in the country has no clue what she is doing?
You sound like you are talking about the QB position on the football team. Things weren't decided in one weekend, but at some point you have to choose your players, and that choosing (as a whole) turned things around when things started to go south.
Team needed leaders across the board, and that required giving those players some confidence.
I don't think it's all about the stats. Jensen went with experience.
I never mentioned football. In this case, Heiden didn't start because she was sick, which could have been a weekend decision. Yes, Jensen went with experience.
What’s funny is everyone was complaining about Jan’s substitution pattern earlier in the season. I think she wanted to see what she had with some of the Freshmen. It wasn’t working great and going with mostly veterans has helped straighten the team out. Again, hopefully Heiden gets another year of growth in the weight room and becomes the player we think she can be!
Agreed, though the substitution pattern wasn't the main problem. The problem was Stuelke at the 4.
That was a lot of it, won't disagree, though we just really struggled a lot with turnovers early in the season, and in most of our close losses didn't have a go to girl until Lucy stepped up.
I'm going to throw this out there, and I'm sure some will disagree. We may find out if Jan really is "the post whisperer" or if she just came across some outstanding talent. Gus was a crazy talent, and she played with a great point guard to set her up. Then you had Monica who played all of her great three years with the best facilitator whos ever played in the womens game. She NEVER had to dribble BECAUSE CC22 always got her the ball at just the right time, and in exactly the right place. Last year we had Goodman, AOG, and AJE. Three post players in their third and 4th seasons. All had multiple seasons under Jans tutelage, and NONE of them played consistently enough to solidify that 5 spot, even with the benefit of playing with Clark. Bluder was still bemoaning their inconsistent play heading into the tournament. Did Jan suddenly forget how to coach these gals, or was there just not enough talent to work with? This seems to me to be alot like Kirk being an OL guru, and then we have multiple years with misses recruiting tackles specifically, and the OL looks poor. Did Kirk forget how to coach the OL?
So in the next couple of years Jan and Randi Peterson have Heiden and Hays to mold. The two highest ranked post players ever recruited to play for the Iowa women. You would think we'd see some all B1G, maybe even AA type results from those two over the next three years. What say you?
With 18 teams in the conference now being an all conference player is really really tough. If either of these 2 can become top 5 Centers in the league I’d call that success. Bigs are hard to predict. Just my opinion.
We will see, Per ESPN Megan was ranked 80th in their recruiting ranking and the number 12 prospect at her position. So it’s not like she was considered an elite recruit coming in. I think Ava has the athletic ability to develop into something special, Time will tell, Just judging from videos it appears Layla moves very well as well. The X factor with any player is how much drive do they have to reach their full potential. Megan’s work ethic was well documented and the way she has transformed her game to be able to play in the WNBA is a true testament of the desire she has to succeed.
The substitution pattern was definitely a problem. It kept the team from developing any chemistry together, knowing how they fit and ehat they could do playing with each other because there were just too many moving parts.
By shortening the bench it allowed the players to find their own identity, and the team itself to zero in on what they do well. It had to be done.
I don’t have a problem with your theorizing, but Jan didn’t name herself that. I’m assuming Lisa or some other coach’s did over her 25 year career @ Iowa. And I don’t think it just started with Meg. And although I loved Megan, you could definitely see her limitations when she turned pro, so I’m not sure how great she was. She clearly had some fantastic coaching.
I also think they are in transition about what Jan wants from her post. Meg and Monica were classic get to the block, dump in the ball and post pivot.
It’s funny really, and you’re a good fan and a smart one at that so I’m definitely not jerking your chain, but it comes back to my pet peeve. We have fans that think we suddenly changed to a “post first“ offense. When in reality, we are still running the same offense, Lisa Bluder did and I think Jan would like to add more motion and ultimately become even more fluid. CC made it look like we had a super explosive offense. Give Lisa some credit because clearly she saw Caitlns talent and encouraged them to get up and down the floor. But my point is this, I belive Ava is the future of the program, @ the 5, but she is not a dump it inside, post pivot player. Yet at least…
I honestly think she’s more a face the basket kind of five. I’m not trying to get in another pissing match with anyone else before this game starts but the reality is Ava is fairly athletic, but she’s not super fluid yet, shes young, in fact she looks extremely young, she does not have a great lower base, she can get pushed around and she’s a fouling machine.
Yes, it would be super nice to just experiment all season long with the big tall freshman but at some point in time you gotta figure out what it takes to win basketball games and it’s really odd to me how much fanfare this girl has gotten. And honestly, I don’t think she’s gonna leave, I believe she likes it here but if she does, it is what it is.
And listen, I get the mindset. You’re probably a lot like me in that you like to think things through, hypothesis, theorize, project & maybe even sometimes play devils advocate. But my rule of thumb is “can I see it”… for example, a play call or a pass attempt, run attempt, defensive philosophy, FG attempt, Shot attempt, etc. etc. that might seem dumb on the surface, but if I can at least comprehend where it was coming from, I can understand and accept, even if I don’t agree per se.
But for me, there are just a bunch of people that go “oh wow Ava is a top 40 recruit” she’s clearly really good. The coach's clearly don’t know what they’re doing.
And for me I have not seen one single thing that made me say holy shit is Ava really good. I’ve seen things that made me say wow she’s got a real shot to be pretty solid, but I can more easily see why she’s not playing consistently.
I'm fully aware that Jan "did not name herself". I also never said that she doesn't know what she's doing. I merely said that it seemed that Ava was progressing early in the season, and then she got less and less time, and then none at all. Everyone can disagree, but its pretty rare to see someone who looks that talented, "potentially" get zero playing time in multiple games. At least I don't remember Iowa ever recruiting any top 40 recruits, (men or women) and not playing them for a good part of the year. I'm sorry. but you just don't see someone who's that highly recruited get no playing time, unless like Betts she's playing behind Brink who was a multiple year 1st team AA, and we don't have anyone like that playing in front of Heiden, clearly. Obviously, Heiden has been the loser in this smaller lineup switch when Hannah could not play the position that they had projected her to play. Its pretty much the catalyst for all of this. And while I'd certainly agree that the team has played better as a group since Jan made the changes and shortened the bench, we have no idea how much Heiden would have continued to improve if she was playing a consistent 12-15 minutes/gm.
I thought Mallegni was our best recruit early on, by a stretch & now I realize she can’t stay on the floor. Once Guyton got cooking I thought she was a revelation and easily one of our five best players. The usual suspects even wanted her to get the keys to the offense, now she hasn't done anything of note in a couple weeks..
As it turns out, Stremlau is by far our most consistent freshman. So no, again as much as I respect you, I don’t agree at all. We have 3 other freshmen that have been all up and down the ladder, and Big Girls are typically even more inconsistent & raw than that.
Here is the top 100 around Ava. I don’t have time right now but start searching the girls in the top 40. I bet she’ll be far from an anomaly.
2024 HoopGurlz Recruiting Rankings - espnW 100 - ESPN
Get the inside scoop on the top ranked high school girls' basketball players. In-depth player briefings, film and more on ESPNHS.com.
The more things change the more they stay the same… 10 games ago, the majority of our fans even the positive ones like you and even me to a degree we’re ready to write all the seniors off and give the keys to the freshman… fly forward now and it’s the seniors leading the way, and the freshman are once again wildly inconsistent.
I’m not interested in second-guessing the rotations. And I don’t at all find Avas situation odd. And I’m not being a dick. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it is all.
And your certainly entitled to yours. Heres the issue that I have with the list of other top freshman and whether or not they are playing for OTHER teams. Most of the top 40-50 players still go to top 10-15 level teams with quite a bit of talent on them. Thats the biggest reason they aren't playing much. Heiden isn't sitting behind another great post player. She simply got caught in this issue where Jan had to go small because Hannah could not play the 4. As for our freshman. Jan explained why Guyton has struggled some with more on her plate now. That makes sense. Stremlow is playing more because of the smaller lineup, and she's not being asked to do a great deal. Syd has settled into the 4 spot in this smaller lineup, which has put Mallegni basically in the same boat as Heiden, although she was really inconsistant, and even more foul prone then Heiden when she did play. I'm not trying to be a "bad fan" here or disrespectful to Jan, who I think a lot of, so I'm just not going to post about this anymore. Like I said, it is what it is....I thought Mallegni was our best recruit early on, by a stretch & now I realize she can’t stay on the floor. Once Guyton got cooking I thought she was a revelation and easily one of our five best players. The usual suspects even wanted her to get the keys to the offense, now she hasn't done anything of note in a couple weeks..
As it turns out, Stremlau is by far our most consistent freshman. So no, again as much as I respect you, I don’t agree at all. We have 3 other freshmen that have been all up and down the ladder, and Big Girls are typically even more inconsistent & raw than that.
Here is the top 100 around Ava. I don’t have time right now but start searching the girls in the top 40. I bet she’ll be far from an anomaly.
2024 HoopGurlz Recruiting Rankings - espnW 100 - ESPN
Get the inside scoop on the top ranked high school girls' basketball players. In-depth player briefings, film and more on ESPNHS.com.www.espn.com
The more things change the more they stay the same… 10 games ago, the majority of our fans even the positive ones like you and even me to a degree we’re ready to write all the seniors off and give the keys to the freshman… fly forward now and it’s the seniors leading the way, and the freshman are once again wildly inconsistent.
I’m not interested in second-guessing the rotations. And I don’t at all find Avas situation odd. And I’m not being a dick. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it is all.
Look, I know I have a reputation, but surely you know what a “bad fan” is. I mean honestly you’re gonna break my heart if you don’t get where I’m coming from.. wondering why a girl isn’t playing & commiserating with friends is one thing.
Yelling, posting in caps, calling the coaches, dumb being a belligerent effing asshole constantly, that @IS@ the definition of a bad fan in my opinion….
I’ve critique the team plenty and I’ve been called out about it as a hypocrite because people are too stupid to understand the difference between questioning and critiquing and just being a jackass, not some games, not every other game, every effing game….
And I’m not sure what to think about your comment about the top recruits going to the top places. I did some light research. I think there’s a lot more going on there than you assume. But I also think you believe Ava to be a lot more dynamic than I personally have seen her to be I’ll put it this way. I think we all assumed, ME as well, that it would be obvious Ava was way better than Addie and that is most assuredly not the case.
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I'm fine, and I understand your position. Its just time I drop this. Jans made the decision she thought was right, and she's the coach. Unlike a few posters here who wanted her gone when they were struggling I said she should get 3-4 years minimum to build her program. I still feel that way. I have faith she'll be successful. Whether or not that means reaching the heights we saw the last couple of years is unlikely , but you never know. We did it before, and although we'll probably never see another CC22 we could certainly build a better roster top to bottom. I'll be watching..
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