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What would you do if your child came out as transgender?

You're too much of a moron to know what is dropped and not dropped.

I’m not going to sit here and take insults from a serial abuser who’s career includes mutilating people including children. Your paycheck depends on this insanity perpetuating indefinitely. You could not be impartial in a million years. God help you when it comes time to meet your maker. You’ll need it.
 
I'd continue to love and support them,.. But I would not allow them to pursue any medically induced changes to their body,.. Upon reaching adulthood they get the keys, and at that point can do whatever they want,.. But as long as I'm the responsible adult, no irreversible modifications are being made...
 
We just got a scary message from our son’s college that they found a student dead in my son’s dorm. My son didn’t know them but has friends who did. It sounds like the deceased recently came out as trans and their family completely disowned them. Everyone who knew the deceased says they were taking it extremely hard and they are assuming it was a suicide.

My son is trans, so this hits really close to home and I got very emotional when I heard this. I couldn’t imagine not supporting my child. I also can’t imagine the guilt and pain those parents are experiencing now.

The trans hate in this country needs to stop.

I realize this is a sensitive subject and I’ll probably get lots of hate from the usual suspects, but I have most of those hateful bigots on ignore anyway.
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Sounds like the deceased had severe mental illness and the college and their friends failed to help them in any meaningful way. That’s sad for everyone involved.

What would I do? I would question and investigate every influence they had in their life that pushed that mind virus garbage into their brain.
Bingo. I would hope as a parent I would sit down and talk them to figure out why they have this feeling and if they have always had this feeling or if it was something that recently started. Did they ever have friends or a teacher pushing this type of thing or did they come to this conclusion on their own.
It’s one thing if they have always felt this way, it’s another if they felt like they have been pushed towards this narrative by someone else.
Mental illness is a thing and little support is available for them. I have a SIL that suffers from Mental Illness and just being a little bit off with meds can make a huge difference. Now imaging not getting any help or meds, and you can see why someone might want to fit in with a group or end up taking their own or worse yet, someone else’s life.
If they truly are trans and have always felt that way and the parents push them away, well that’s shitty parenting but not much different than a parent supporting a transgender child that’s just doing it to fit in.
The parent is not being a parent in either situation, a parent isn’t supposed to be a child’s best friend.
 
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I'd continue to love and support them,.. But I would not allow them to pursue any medically induced changes to their body,.. Upon reaching adulthood they get the keys, and at that point can do whatever they want,.. But as long as I'm the responsible adult, no irreversible modifications are being made...
Thats a fair take. Something we can both agree on.
 
People who equate being transgender to having schizophrenia or cancer are useless. And gross.

Good thing no one is doing that. I’m comparing the best practice approach to treating persons with those ailments / diseases.

People who conflate best case treatment approaches and the diseases themselves are useless. And gross.

Now answer the damn question. Is the best practice approach to treatment of a schizophrenic to love them the way they are and indulge their delusions? Yes or no? Why or why not?
 
Good thing no one is doing that. I’m comparing the best practice approach to treating persons with those ailments / diseases.

People who conflate best case treatment approaches and the diseases themselves are useless. And gross.

Now answer the damn question. Is the best practice approach to treatment of a schizophrenic to love them the way they are and indulge their delusions? Yes or no? Why or why not?

Quit being a damn moron.
 
Mental and physical health doesn’t align with such a rigid timeline.
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The reason so many LGBTQ kids suffer from mental health issues and end up harming themselves is because their parents ignore their medical needs, (Medical needs?..........) or do not provide a loving environment. (Sure, but what about the ones that do, and kids still end up suffering from mental health issues and harming themselves?........) You can’t tell a kid with a broken arm they need to wait for treatment. (It worked for Nile Kinnick..... ;) ) If doctors and mental health experts are telling you your child needs specific care related to their gender you need to provide it. (Can't say that I was implying I wouldn't, but are you also suggesting that we're moving the goal posts to talk about the incredibly tiny percentage of kids in the U.S. born with gender defects and other medical oddities of that nature?) you'll regret the rejection you are giving instead of the love children need.
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Good thing no one is doing that. I’m comparing the best practice approach to treating persons with those ailments / diseases.

People who conflate best case treatment approaches and the diseases themselves are useless. And gross.

Now answer the damn question. Is the best practice approach to treatment of a schizophrenic to love them the way they are and indulge their delusions? Yes or no? Why or why not?
What is "best practice" to treat gender dysphoria? Are you supportive of that?

I think loving people the way they are is one of the key starting points. Unsurprised that you don't.
 
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I'd continue to love and support them,.. But I would not allow them to pursue any medically induced changes to their body,.. Upon reaching adulthood they get the keys, and at that point can do whatever they want,.. But as long as I'm the responsible adult, no irreversible modifications are being made...
Would you allow them to try out living as the other gender? Could they dress as the other gender? Could they choose a different name?
 
What is "best practice" to treat gender dysphoria? Are you supportive of that?

I think loving people the way they are is one of the key starting points. Unsurprised that you don't.
Why does affirmation to the point of hormones and surgery lead to a higher suicide rate among trans people?
 
I’m not going to sit here and take insults from a serial abuser who’s career includes mutilating people including children. Your paycheck depends on this insanity perpetuating indefinitely. You could not be impartial in a million years. God help you when it comes time to meet your maker. You’ll need it.

Transphobia is a mental illness.


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What is "best practice" to treat gender dysphoria?

Great question, it is up for debate now isn’t it? Our current methods are failing our trans brothers and sisters miserably. Maybe what we think as best practice should be reviewed and revisited. The Cass Review does just that. You should read it. Many European nations have read it and are revising their gender medicine practices to fit the scientific research and evidence. Maybe America should do that too?

Are you supportive of that?

Sure.

I think loving people the way they are is one of the key starting points.

Loving alcoholics “the way they are” doesn’t work. Would you advocate the same approach to alcoholics, why or why not?

Unsurprised that you don't.

I advocate a loving and tolerant view of persons suffering from gender confusion / gender dysphoria, I simply disagree the current approach is in their best interest. Read a few accounts of children mutilated before puberty that later regret it and attempt to detransition and it will give you pause. These cases are extremely sad.
 
But really though, what I stand for and provide, is common sense.

Voting for someone, who is still undeserving of the role they're nominated for, simply because the only other candidate you're told you can vote for is an awful human being..........is not common sense.

In fact it is very, very flawed. And nobody doing a goddamn thing about the situation and the vicious cycle this has become also defies common sense.

I simply point out your failures, and let you get offended by it because you don't like what you're hearing even when it's the truth................ ;)
So after watching your guy on the right stumble around like a complete moron for the last 60 days, who can’t speak and is almost 80 years old you’re telling me the other person is undeserving of her role? Sure thing. Oh, and it’s common sense to vote for a guy who championed January 6th. Right on brother.
 
I honestly don't know how I would react.......I am glad I haven't had this situation though
What I don't understand is how people on this board say things like "Be kind always" "Love and support"
then turn around and call people names and write things like "You're a POS" "Hopefully you die sooner rather than later"
"You're a Moron"
Good grief!!
 
Great question, it is up for debate now isn’t it? Our current methods are failing our trans brothers and sisters miserably. Maybe what we think as best practice should be reviewed and revisited. The Cass Review does just that. You should read it. Many European nations have read it and are revising their gender medicine practices to fit the scientific research and evidence. Maybe America should do that too?



Sure.



Loving alcoholics “the way they are” doesn’t work. Would you advocate the same approach to alcoholics, why or why not?



I advocate a loving and tolerant view of persons suffering from gender confusion / gender dysphoria, I simply disagree the current approach is in their best interest. Read a few accounts of children mutilated before puberty that later regret it and attempt to detransition and it will give you pause. These cases are extremely sad.
Best practices are always up for debate. But that debate needs to be among experts to determine the course of treatment not the general public or the government. The Cass Report is highly flawed and myopic - a bad choice on your part to use that as the basis of your stance. American doctors and medical professionals are constantly reviewing and revising their practices to become more effective. In fact:

Medical professionals emphasize the importance of family support in helping children with gender dysphoria. Key aspects include:
  1. Emotional Support: Providing unconditional love and acceptance is crucial. Children who feel supported by their families have better mental health outcomes.
  2. Open Communication: Families should create an environment where the child feels safe to express their feelings.
  3. Education: Families should seek to understand gender dysphoria and explore resources, including counseling and medical professionals, to support the child.
  4. Collaboration with Healthcare Providers: Working with mental health and medical professionals helps in navigating treatment options like social or medical transition.
Family support plays a key role in reducing risks of depression, anxiety, and other mental health issues in children with gender dysphoria.

This is a "best practice".

Absolutely I would advocate family support of an alcoholic. It's essential as a foundation to recovery. Why would you go against this best practice?

The decisions about treating gender dysphoria need to be made by families in consultation with medical experts based on their unique situation. Blanket, knee jerk reactionary decisions are harmful.
 
We just got a scary message from our son’s college that they found a student dead in my son’s dorm. My son didn’t know them but has friends who did. It sounds like the deceased recently came out as trans and their family completely disowned them. Everyone who knew the deceased says they were taking it extremely hard and they are assuming it was a suicide.

My son is trans, so this hits really close to home and I got very emotional when I heard this. I couldn’t imagine not supporting my child. I also can’t imagine the guilt and pain those parents are experiencing now.

The trans hate in this country needs to stop.

I realize this is a sensitive subject and I’ll probably get lots of hate from the usual suspects, but I have most of those hateful bigots on ignore anyway.
When I read this here’s what I hear, you have a daughter who pretends to be a boy, and you pretend to have a son. Sorry, you don’t get to brow beat everyone else into believing your delusions.
 
@BrianNole777 you've asked a lot of good questions here. I'm on the night shift here but I want you do try something for me, and maybe it will change your perspective a little bit, and if not, that's OK too.
Go ask those same questions, but instead of transgender or gender dysphoria, substitute autistic or Autism.

I've gone over the parallels before, and have no problem doing it again, but just for an experiment put it on the same level and see if it makes sense.

I'm not sure autism is an accurate comparison to transgenderism.

Autistic people don't really have a choice in their condition. Trans people definitely have a choice in if they transition or not.
 
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