Ben VanSumeren to Michigan

[ghostOfHomer777]

I'm so so much simpler than you. Quantum physics suffice for me. The effects of randomness in nature. We studied Planck's constant at Berkley. I graduated U of Iowa. Spent 10 years at Moody's. Then went to school at Berkley. Now watch football in Not Cal.

Time at Moody's, eh? .... my students are always baffled when I tell them how a disproportionate percentage of theoretical/computational physicists end up working in finance. When they really think about it ... it probably makes sense to them ... but for some reason, a huge percentage of the populace seems to think that physics is purely an academic endeavor (and hence that the majority of physicists are just teachers).

Ironically, I ended up as a teacher partially because I value being chill. The dude minus the bong ... but no less eclectic or idiosyncratic. If only I had my own Walter Sobchak ....

 

[David1979]

Good luck to the kid. Wasn't a big loss for Iowa, as Iowa always seems to find good LBs. This kid was a bit of a project at LB anyway. Honas is a much bigger need since he will fight for playing time next year.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Good luck to the kid. Wasn't a big loss for Iowa, as Iowa always seems to find good LBs. This kid was a bit of a project at LB anyway. Honas is a much bigger need since he will fight for playing time next year.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that he'd be a project ... I've always referred to a recruit like him as a "glue-guy." The versatility that they offer the coaches in terms of position-flexibility help the coaches to "glue-together" the roster and help fill holes that might crop-up. If you recall, Greenway was an impressive high school athlete who didn't really have much LB acumen coming into Iowa .... but he learned a ton from both Norm and Abdul (who was an uber-intuitive ILB for the Hawks) ... and obviously developed a ton physically under the tutelage of Chris Doyle.

I would have projected Djimon Colbert over to the LEO spot originally ... but the coaches apparently like him over at WILL. So it DOES appear that currently we don't have a wealth of bodies who are able to pull off what we like to do at the LEO spot. I don't know ... we'll see how things end up working out at LB.

 

[Layoutman]

I think it's safe to say losing BVS to dirt bag Jim is not going to cost us a B1G title.

 

[Layoutman]

Oh an **** You Deace you Fat pos!

Liked the post solely on the reference TO Deace!

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

I love the reactions -

Iowa gets verbal from 3* recruit: "Wow just watched his highlights, kid is gonna be a stud!"
Recruit flips to another school: "Eh, was probably just a project anyway".

 

[David1979]

I love the reactions -

Iowa gets verbal from 3* recruit: "Wow just watched his highlights, kid is gonna be a stud!"
Recruit flips to another school: "Eh, was probably just a project anyway".

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

Never said they were.
It's just kinda funny.

 

[hawkfeever]

If I'm an elite WR recruit who hopes to play on Sundays, there's no way I'm going to Iowa, regardless if I grew up a fan.

Funny thing is he probably would have been playing this year a lot more than he did up there. Not sure if he even played or not, but likely would have played a lot for the Hawks this year. Could have developed right along with Stanley.

 

[hawkfeever]

You got something against two star linebackers?

Amazing he even had 1 star given what his choices were prior to Iowa offer. Look at Wisconsin does with walk ons also. They can't be more than 2 star athletes.

 

[JoelBittner]

I love the reactions -

Iowa gets verbal from 3* recruit: "Wow just watched his highlights, kid is gonna be a stud!"
Recruit flips to another school: "Eh, was probably just a project anyway".

Yep, kinda makes you laugh when people complain about integrity in the workplace or gov't. The people who complain the loudest are the problem. And the dummy's with predictable non-sequiturs, "He won't cost us a big ten title." Duh, it will be the same person who always does, the HC.

 

[relishingwinning18]

I love the reactions -

Iowa gets verbal from 3* recruit: "Wow just watched his highlights, kid is gonna be a stud!"
Recruit flips to another school: "Eh, was probably just a project anyway".

Yep, kinda makes you laugh when people complain about integrity in the workplace or gov't. The people who complain the loudest are the problem. And the dummy's with predictable non-sequiturs, "He won't cost us a big ten title." Duh, it will be the same person who always does, the HC.

Bahahaha you complain the loudest, dolt! You and Tim dodge! Idiotic post after idiotic post.

 

[Muskie5]

Yep, kinda makes you laugh when people complain about integrity in the workplace or gov't. The people who complain the loudest are the problem. And the dummy's with predictable non-sequiturs, "He won't cost us a big ten title." Duh, it will be the same person who always does, the HC.

Huh??? You need help, Joel.

 

[Muskie5]

Amazing he even had 1 star given what his choices were prior to Iowa offer. Look at Wisconsin does with walk ons also. They can't be more than 2 star athletes.

He had zero stars (unrated) until Iowa offered, if I remember correctly. Same way with Meerkat and many others of our 2 stars.

 

[cmhawks99]

Bahahaha you complain the loudest, dolt! You and Tim dodge! Idiotic post after idiotic post.

Yeah no crap they are the king and queen of complaining. His point was valid, but at least people are trying to put a positive spin on it, albeit misguided. They haven't put a positive spin on anything their whole entire lives.

 

[cmhawks99]

Yep, kinda makes you laugh when people complain about integrity in the workplace or gov't. The people who complain the loudest are the problem. And the dummy's with predictable non-sequiturs, "He won't cost us a big ten title." Duh, it will be the same person who always does, the HC.

LOL that's rich coming from you, King of the Jack wagons.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Pfft. Then don’t commit. It’s a dick move. I hope he never sees the field. Honor your commitment little boy.

So you'll be rooting against the 4* QB we just flipped from Oregon St. and hoping he doesn't see the field during his time at Iowa I'm guessing?

He won't answer this, at least he didn't in the other threads he was asked in (or any of the other grown adults that were ripping the kid for that matter).

It's pretty sad when "grown" adults say this kind of crap about 17 year olds, often times directly to them on social media. Does it suck we lost him? Yeah. Do I think he would have been much better off at Iowa and would have gotten better coaching? Hell yeah. But when you start ripping on kids who change their mind on something that which deals with a major life decision, you really need to reevaluate your life. Especially when you call them a "loser" on a sports message board.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

Funny thing is he probably would have been playing this year a lot more than he did up there. Not sure if he even played or not, but likely would have played a lot for the Hawks this year. Could have developed right along with Stanley.

Oliver Martin - No statistics available

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

He won't answer this, at least he didn't in the other threads he was asked in (or any of the other grown adults that were ripping the kid for that matter).

It's pretty sad when "grown" adults say this kind of crap about 17 year olds, often times directly to them on social media. Does it suck we lost him? Yeah. Do I think he would have been much better off at Iowa and would have gotten better coaching? Hell yeah. But when you start ripping on kids who change their mind on something that which deals with a major life decision, you really need to reevaluate your life. Especially when you call them a "loser" on a sports message board.

You must've missed the NileKinnick1939 guy on here who started a thread wishing the kid breaks his leg. Real winner.

 

[spoke8]

Oliver Martin - No statistics available

Remember when you said this about Karan Higdon?
Oliver Martin will be just fine. Sorry for your loss.

 

[hawkeye122671]

So you'll be rooting against the 4* QB we just flipped from Oregon St. and hoping he doesn't see the field during his time at Iowa I'm guessing?

Oh, so Kirk Ferentz left Iowa and Van Sumeran opened up his recruitment. Got it. Hadn't heard about Ferentz leaving. If that's not the case then you are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[hawkeye122671]

Get over yourself jackass. Who died and made you moral compass? I think the kid is a putz. If he was 45 years old and committed to doing something and then backed out, he would still be a putz. Because I understand what Iowa committed to him to recruit him. Whether he's 17 or whatever isn't the issue. It is the behavior. Why you dolts cannot understand that is baffling. I hope his decision to bail on Iowa less then a week from signing day burns him.

Hey I just re-evaluated my life. I still think anybody who renegs on commitments are losers. Sorry.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Hey I just re-evaluated my life. I still think anybody who renegs on commitments are losers. Sorry.

That is great to know. Hope you don't support the countless Iowa student athletes who came to Iowa after committing to play somewhere else. Happens numerous times every season, a lot of "losers" on this team apparently. Especially a guy like Smith Marsette, who went against his Minn. commitment 2 days after he made it.

Edit* - Here are 4 more guys from last year's class alone that are losers to you.
Geno Stone - decommited from Kent State same day committed to Iowa.
Max Cooper - decommited from CMU same day committed to Iowa.
Trey Creamer - decommited from Minn same day committed to Iowa.
Kyshaun Bryan - decommited from South Carolina 2 days before committing to Iowa.

You better not be a fan of Iowa, or any other college sports team with all of these kids with horrible values and commitment issues.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Get over yourself jackass. Who died and made you moral compass? I think the kid is a putz. If he was 45 years old and committed to doing something and then backed out, he would still be a putz. Because I understand what Iowa committed to him to recruit him. Whether he's 17 or whatever isn't the issue. It is the behavior. Why you dolts cannot understand that is baffling. I hope his decision to bail on Iowa less then a week from signing day burns him.

You're obviously one to be speaking about being a moral compass. Really good stuff out of you the last few days.

 

[Layoutman]

I did answer repeatedly. Not my fault you idiots can't read or comprehend. I take it back the kid isn't a loser you sanctimonious gutless pricks are. Ole Ben is just a kid who has no understanding of what commitment means. That will serve him well going forward. Final answer. For the record, it is super creepy for those folks who use social media to contact recruits. I don't care enough about Iowa football to give that a whirl.

Sure Ben may not have a complete understanding of what commitment means. I'm sure the relentless IN STATE pressure is humbling.

I'm just glad that Nathan Stanley and his family know what commitment means and embrace it in their every day lives.

Two very similar set of circumstances...

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Sure Ben may not have a complete understanding of what commitment means. I'm sure the relentless IN STATE pressure is humbling.

I'm just glad that Nathan Stanley and his family know what commitment means and embrace it in their every day lives.

What about these guys from last year?
Geno Stone
Max Cooper
Trey Creamer
Kyshaun Bryan
Ihmir Smith Marsette

 

[Layoutman]

I agree with your sentiments on non credentialed fans of the program using social media to involve themselves where they are not needed.

 

[hawkfeever]

Remember when you said this about Karan Higdon?
Oliver Martin will be just fine. Sorry for your loss.

Just saying game experience would have been much greater than what he has now and he would have been on the winning side of an epic beat down of Ohio State. You are welcome Wolverines. You enjoyed that one almost as much as we did.

 

[Layoutman]

What about these guys from last year?
Geno Stone
Max Cooper
Trey Creamer
Kyshaun Bryan
Ihmir Smith Marsette

Were these listed families put into highly leveraged circumstances like the Stanley's or Van Sumeren's?

I'm not aware of any of the families you listed above having to face this intense of a challenge. Regardless of intensity the recruits and family, at some point, make a decision on a course of action. Most all verbally accept the responsibilities of committing to playing for a university before there is an opportunity to make that pledge in writing. Did the player and family follow through with what they said they were going to do?

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

Hey I just re-evaluated my life. I still think anybody who renegs on commitments are losers. Sorry.

Did you like that OT win in Ames?

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

I did answer repeatedly. Not my fault you idiots can't read or comprehend. I take it back the kid isn't a loser you sanctimonious gutless pricks are. Ole Ben is just a kid who has no understanding of what commitment means. That will serve him well going forward. Final answer. For the record, it is super creepy for those folks who use social media to contact recruits. I don't care enough about Iowa football to give that a whirl.

Obviously.

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

Oh, so Kirk Ferentz left Iowa and Van Sumeran opened up his recruitment. Got it. Hadn't heard about Ferentz leaving. If that's not the case then you are comparing apples and oranges.

You don't commit to a coach dipshit you commit to a school.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Were these listed families put into highly leveraged circumstances like the Stanley's or Van Sumeren's?

I'm not aware of any of the families you listed above having to face this intense of a challenge. Regardless of intensity the recruits and family, at some point, make a decision on a course of action. Most all verbally accept the responsibilities of committing to playing for a university before there is an opportunity to make that pledge in writing. Did the player and family follow through with what they said they were going to do?

This doesn’t even make sense... you acknowledge Ben had the full court press put on him. Our guys has less pressure on them to decommitt and somehow that makes it more acceptable for them?

Your other part of the post makes less sense, please explain in more detail and compare it to the other five players I listed, and many, many others from every other class we’ve had decommitt then sign with us.

Bottom line... you don’t like it when schools “above” Iowa do it to us, but it’s fine when we do it to programs “below” Iowa. That’s fine, just be honest with yourself and not talk about these kids like they’re not honest guys with integrity, unlike those who end up signing with us.

 

[hawkeye122671]

This doesn’t even make sense... you acknowledge Ben had the full court press put on him. Our guys has less pressure on them to decommitt and somehow that makes it more acceptable for them?

Your other part of the post makes less sense, please explain in more detail and compare it to the other five players I listed, and many, many others from every other class we’ve had decommitt then sign with us.

Bottom line... you don’t like it when schools “above” Iowa do it to us, but it’s fine when we do it to programs “below” Iowa. That’s fine, just be honest with yourself and not talk about these kids like they’re not honest guys with integrity, unlike those who end up signing with us.

It doesn’t make sense to you because you are ill equipped to engage in a real thought provoking debate. Keep being you.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

It doesn’t make sense to you because you are ill equipped to engage in a real thought provoking debate. Keep being you.

So... you’re just going to ignore the posts about Iowa players and their “commitment issues”. Honestly, take a look at yourself right now, you’re looking very foolish.

 

[spoke8]

Just saying game experience would have been much greater than what he has now and he would have been on the winning side of an epic beat down of Ohio State. You are welcome Wolverines. You enjoyed that one almost as much as we did.

Probably will enjoy that Pinstripe Bowl too

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

Keep telling yourself that dumb fu ck. I don’t give 2 shits in reality. Don’t care if they play for Iowa or whomever. My original statement, that you toolboxes couldn’t figure out, was a generalization to lack of honor and commitment and it being problematic in our country. This kid is just the latest example. Why so many jump to defend this behavior is nauseating. It’s a national epidemic and why football at every level is slowly dieing.

God you're dumb. Easy question, did you celebrate when Iowa won in OT against ISU?

And you spelled "dieing" wrong, dipshit.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Can you be the dumbest fu ck wad in here? Check. Can you not comprehend anything? Check. I’m very sure that I said this behavior disgusts me regardless of who is doing it. When you figure it all out let me know. I understand that putting things together is hard. You realize this is not real life right. I look foolish. Pfft. This is a message board. An anonymous one at that. You are engaging in an argument with somebody who feels people should honor commitments. Who’s the dumb ass? So you think it’s ok to have no honor. Got it.

Wow, I’m surprised you follow a team full of players that “disgust” you and that have “no honor”. God you’re stupid.

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

Yep. I cheered. Spelling police.....last resort of the weak. Are you gonna threaten me to a sword fight next? Tell me how big your internet muscles are? Maybe you and your butt buddy ndsm can meet me at mile marker 304 tomorrow. You both could meet me after you get off your McDonalds shifts.

So why would you cheer our OT win vs. ISU when the guy who caught the game-winning pass for us showed a lack of honor and commitment by flipping to Iowa? Weird, in your world he's somehow 'ok' even though he did the exact thing you're whining about.

Or are you just another dumbass hypocrite who has no clue WTF you're talking about.

 

[hawkfeever]

Probably will enjoy that Pinstripe Bowl too

Would you rather have your bowl against South Carolina (that national power) or a victory over Ohio State??? C'mon Wolverine we know the answer to that one. And not just a victory but an epic beat down for the ages!