Ben VanSumeren to Michigan

[blockm2]

Enjoy being recruited over by Harbaugh. Tell Oliver "hello" for us when you're sitting next to him on the bench, for the next 3 years.

There were quite a few posts here saying the exact same thing about Karan Higdon a few years ago and he has done just fine at Michigan being their leading rusher this season. Talking about how he'd get recruited over and never get off the bench and on and on and on.

VanSumeren is probably going to play from day 1. He will be one of only 2 scholarship fullbacks on the roster next season for a coach that likes to play 2 or 3 at a time sometimes.

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

Yeah no crap they are the king and queen of complaining. His point was valid, but at least people are trying to put a positive spin on it, albeit misguided. They haven't put a positive spin on anything their whole entire lives.

I really don't ever complain,
I just make observations. And post them.

 

[spoke8]

Would you rather have your bowl against South Carolina (that national power) or a victory over Ohio State??? C'mon Wolverine we know the answer to that one. And not just a victory but an epic beat down for the ages!

I'd rather have Michigans season over Iowas if that's what you're asking. You seem to be saying that the trajectory of the Iowa program is on the rise and these kids are missing out?
You are starting to sound like a Cyclone, basing your season on one win.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Remember when you said this about Karan Higdon?
Oliver Martin will be just fine. Sorry for your loss.

Yes I don't get ripping on guys or the shots at Martin. From what I understand, Michigan asked Martin if he wanted to take the redshirt off late in the season due to injuries but he decided to stay redshirted. I'm sure he'll have a nice career at Michigan. Best of luck to the Van Sumeren kid as well, no gripes against kids making the best choices for their own futures.

 

[cmhawks99]

I really don't ever complain,
I just make observations. And post them.

No you post opinions, short-sighted ones at that. Opinions that lack perspective or objectivity.

 

[cmhawks99]

I'd rather have Michigans season over Iowas if that's what you're asking. You seem to be saying that the trajectory of the Iowa program is on the rise and these kids are missing out?
You are starting to sound like a Cyclone, basing your season on one win.

Then you are intellectually dishonest or atypical of UM fans. My 26 year old Cousin graduated from UM and her sister goes to Wisconsin. I know most Big 10 fans well. They'd sell their soul to beat Ohio St, so your assertion can't be taken seriously.

Would I like to have one less loss, definitely? But we played a much tougher schedule, looked better at our highs, similar in our lows and quite frankly have a better team and just as much upside.

As for Higdon, he looked good down the stretch, but I enjoy the fact it took wonder man all season to find him and he still wouldn't be any better prospect then the two kids we've got lined up for next year and we're talking about the "great" Michigan.

So here's the deal...you keep your team. we will keep ours looks like we'll both be happy...

 

[Layoutman]

So... you’re just going to ignore the posts about Iowa players and their “commitment issues”. Honestly, take a look at yourself right now, you’re looking very foolish.

I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you. But here it goes..

Player ABC got recruited by XXX university. Player ABC then verbally committed to play football for XXX university. (Are you with me so far?) Then later in the process, YYY university decides it wants player ABC on their team....Hence the commitment situation being discussed!

Does player ABC honor his verbal commitment to play for XXX university and sign a national letter of intent when that option becomes available?

or

Does player ABC rescind his promise/oath to XXX university to then make another commitment this time to YYY university?

For me personally, If player ABC chooses YYY university while forsaking their promises to XXX university, they were to a degree,dishonest. More importantly, it brings into question the validity of their current and future commitments.

Sometimes there is tremendous pressure to rescind a commitment only to make another. The BVS situation is/was similar to Nathan Stanley commitment as both players got late in-state offers from favored schools. Both guys probably don't commit to Iowa had their favored in-state school offered in the first place. The Stanley family valued the commitment itself more so than perceived "better" offers later in the process.

Breaking your word and promises by rescinding a commitment is, depending on the scope, relatively minor but unfortunately an all to often outcome in our society. We are human and make mistakes all the time. In the larger scheme of things these situations are minor as they should be. That doesn't mean its not frustrating for the fans who follow recruiting. It all boils down to did you do what you said you were going to do?

Asking young men in their late teens to enter into life altering commitments is fraught with pitfalls. The commitments we ask of our student athletes are microscopic when compared to the commitments entered into by the members of our armed forces.

 

[David1979]

There were quite a few posts here saying the exact same thing about Karan Higdon a few years ago and he has done just fine at Michigan being their leading rusher this season. Talking about how he'd get recruited over and never get off the bench and on and on and on.

VanSumeren is probably going to play from day 1. He will be one of only 2 scholarship fullbacks on the roster next season for a coach that likes to play 2 or 3 at a time sometimes.

Goes to show Michigan's failure in getting better RB recruits.

 

[BCRoss89]

Maybe there should be a rule for the kid who rescinds a previous commitment causing him to forfeit the early signing period, must wait until February.

 

[David1979]

I don't see why people have a problem with the getting changing after a Michigan offer and on the offensive side of the ball which he wanted more than defense. Iowa just got a stud QB to flip so you win some you lose some.

 

[BAE94]

I'm amazed at the time and energy people spend on a 18 year old recruit that changes his mind to do what's best for him. Give it a rest. I hope you're more productive in your personal life than on this thread.

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

I don't see why people have a problem with the getting changing after a Michigan offer and on the offensive side of the ball which he wanted more than defense. Iowa just got a stud QB to flip so you win some you lose some.

Yeah you're not doing this right. If a kid flips from his Iowa commitment to another school, he's a dishonest loser who doesn't understand the meaning of commitment. If a kid flips from another school to Iowa, it's a great day, he's a great young man and a future Hawkeye we can all be proud of.

 

[BCRoss89]

I don't see why people have a problem with the getting changing after a Michigan offer and on the offensive side of the ball which he wanted more than defense. Iowa just got a stud QB to flip so you win some you lose some.

No problem with the Kid ...just the offending johnny come lately school and coach. Maybe if the school was required to show they had done there own evaluation and contacted the kid prior to the flip-offer blitz?

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you. But here it goes..

Player ABC got recruited by XXX university. Player ABC then verbally committed to play football for XXX university. (Are you with me so far?) Then later in the process, YYY university decides it wants player ABC on their team....Hence the commitment situation being discussed!

Does player ABC honor his verbal commitment to play for XXX university and sign a national letter of intent when that option becomes available?

or

Does player ABC rescind his promise/oath to XXX university to then make another commitment this time to YYY university?

For me personally, If player ABC chooses YYY university while forsaking their promises to XXX university, they were to a degree,dishonest. More importantly, it brings into question the validity of their current and future commitments.

Sometimes there is tremendous pressure to rescind a commitment only to make another. The BVS situation is/was similar to Nathan Stanley commitment as both players got late in-state offers from favored schools. Both guys probably don't commit to Iowa had their favored in-state school offered in the first place. The Stanley family valued the commitment itself more so than perceived "better" offers later in the process.

Breaking your word and promises by rescinding a commitment is, depending on the scope, relatively minor but unfortunately an all to often outcome in our society. We are human and make mistakes all the time. In the larger scheme of things these situations are minor as they should be. That doesn't mean its not frustrating for the fans who follow recruiting. It all boils down to did you do what you said you were going to do?

Asking young men in their late teens to enter into life altering commitments is fraught with pitfalls. The commitments we ask of our student athletes are microscopic when compared to the commitments entered into by the members of our armed forces.

Oh.

My.

God.


We have some weird fans. "Forsaking their promises" and "rescinding their promise/oath?" Then comparing it to the commitment of our armed forces? You need to get a grip man, as does the one other guy making himself look foolish here.

This is about 17 year olds verbally picking a school and football program to spend the next four years. This is absolutely no different than a coach or any regular man or woman who chooses to take different employment opportunity, our own Kirk Ferentz included.

Honest question:
Have you ever broken a commitment to work at company once a better opportunity comes along? If so, you're contributing just as much to the unfortunate "outcome in our society".

 

[BCRoss89]

No problem with the Kid ...just the offending johnny come lately school and coach. Maybe if the school was required to show they had done there own evaluation and contacted the kid prior to the flip-offer blitz?

That's it, maybe if this was the rule, must contact and explain the circumstances that would result in them getting an offer (your number 2 or 3 in line after "4 Star primary target" picks "Ped U" instead of us "M Go Blow"), 2 weeks before the early sign date. Would that make it more transparent and honest? Would that change things...

"Dear Ben,

The reason I am sending you this letter is everyone else that we evaluated and really wanted has turned us down, we are now looking at local kids from Michigan that we have ignored until now but have been recruited by other coaches we respect as developmental talent evaporators, so that we can fill our practice squad as time runs out on this recruiting season.

This offer is good until we get better 4 Star kid next year and ask you to leave or until you get tired of riding the pine and get wise enough to realize that you will never see the field here at the Big House and have the good sense to transfer to a school where you are likely to play, but never be developed into a solid NFL prospect you might have become if you only would have stuck with your original convictions and kept your word when committing to Iowa.

Yours truly, JH"

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

Am I the only one that actually likes Jim Harbaugh?

 

[cmhawks99]

Am I the only one that actually likes Jim Harbaugh?

One of the few...I don't hate him and honestly it doesn't have much to do with iowa. I just don't care for his General Personna and whiny attitude on the sidelines.

 

[BCRoss89]

Am I the only one that actually likes Jim Harbaugh?

Don't you think he is a bit of flake?

 

[reotto]

Am I the only one that actually likes Jim Harbaugh?

Yes.

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

No you post opinions, short-sighted ones at that. Opinions that lack perspective or objectivity.

Oh well aren't you just Mr insightful and deep.

 

[spoke8]

Then you are intellectually dishonest or atypical of UM fans. My 26 year old Cousin graduated from UM and her sister goes to Wisconsin. I know most Big 10 fans well. They'd sell their soul to beat Ohio St, so your assertion can't be taken seriously.

Would I like to have one less loss, definitely? But we played a much tougher schedule, looked better at our highs, similar in our lows and quite frankly have a better team and just as much upside.

As for Higdon, he looked good down the stretch, but I enjoy the fact it took wonder man all season to find him and he still wouldn't be any better prospect then the two kids we've got lined up for next year and we're talking about the "great" Michigan.

So here's the deal...you keep your team. we will keep ours looks like we'll both be happy...

Similar in our lows? Now who is being dishonest? 66 yards at Wiscky, a home loss to Purdue...just stop while you're behind. Don't be jealous...its not a good
look for you. And why people like you criticize kids for choosing to attend different school when offered, especially one with a superior academic reputation, is quite juvenile. Enjoy the Pinstripe Bowl...I'll be rooting for the Hawkeyes.

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

Don't you think he is a bit of flake?

Because of what?
Even so, is that any reason to strongly dislike the man?

 

[Tim Dodge Rules]

One of the few...I don't hate him and honestly it doesn't have much to do with iowa. I just don't care for his General Personna and whiny attitude on the sidelines.

I wonder what Iowa fans would think of Fran if he were another B10 coach...

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

I wonder what Iowa fans would think of Fran if he were another B10 coach...

Lol, I brought this up a while ago in the basketball forum. Don't expect many honest answers.

 

[Harbinger273]

Because of what?
Even so, is that any reason to strongly dislike the man?

I think he is disliked because he's a diva and he approaches recruits in a questionable fashion and because he eats boogs and because he poached our recruits.

 

[cmhawks99]

I wonder what Iowa fans would think of Fran if he were another B10 coach...

No they would not like him, but that's normal.

 

[kceasthawk]

Yep, kinda makes you laugh when people complain about integrity in the workplace or gov't. The people who complain the loudest are the problem. And the dummy's with predictable non-sequiturs, "He won't cost us a big ten title." Duh, it will be the same person who always does, the HC.

Well certainly the HC would be a the top of the list. Its his job to put the players in position to win titles. I am interested in your opinion on 2015. Given the razor thin margin Iowa lost the BIG title, do you think that KF deserves the credit as well for putting the Hawks in position to win that title? Great call and play in the end zone to Kittle. Beathard throws the ball high, hits Kittle in the hands, but can't bring it in. Ball gets knocked loose, and instead of hitting the ground and allowing Iowa to kick a field goal, its picked off a defenders back for an interception. No penalty called for likely targeting on hit to Kittle's helmet. So KF's fault, or just bad luck. On MSU's final drive the Hawks had several chances to stop them, and missed some tackles, as well as a couple of penalties not called. Comes down to the final play. Scott runs to the right side, and is hit at about the two yard line by three Hawk defenders, Jewell and two others. They stalemate his progress momentarily, but cannot bring him down. The backside DE, #49, (can't remember his name), scrapes across the play and has one last shot at Scott at the one. he wiffs as Scott hesitates, and then leans the ball over the goaline for the winning points. So, bad defense, KF's fault, exemplary play by Scott?
The coaches can only put players in position to make the plays. The staff did that well enough to get Iowa to 12-0, and within inches of a BIG title, and on numerous occasions, players failed to make the critical plays to close out the game. Everybody has a hand in these wins and losses.

 

[cmhawks99]

Similar in our lows? Now who is being dishonest? 66 yards at Wiscky, a home loss to Purdue...just stop while you're behind. Don't be jealous...its not a good
look for you. And why people like you criticize kids for choosing to attend different school when offered, especially one with a superior academic reputation, is quite juvenile. Enjoy the Pinstripe Bowl...I'll be rooting for the Hawkeyes.

Oh I'm going to have fun with this...you clearly don't know how I interact but to start with....

I started a thread empathizing with Ben and suggesting how I felt sorry for his dilemma and how difficult it must be. If you look you'll find it.

I also have never ever ever ever ever ever in 100 years complained about Iowa losing a recruit. And there are many on here that would vouch for me. It's a useless endeavor and not One I would engage upon.

And here is where it gets fun... I tossed in that similar "lows" with that Wisconsin game very much in mind because I knew that that would be the only logical direction you could go. I know Michigan arrogance well. So yes I set you up.

You scored 29 points vs AF who gave up 35 a game.

You guys averaged 25.8 points a game, even worse than our anemic efforts.

You played 7 teams with a losing record and if I'm not mistaken are one of only two teams, Missouri being the other one, who didn't beat a team with a winning record. The true reality is your lows were a great deal lower than us, I was just trying to lead you into the corner.

The moral of the story being...know your adversary before you start saying things that are easy to shoot down.

Honestly Michigan is an awesome school it truly is. Iowa also is a fine school and I went to neither of them. So honestly why would I care where either one of them rate academically. More to the point I didn't graduate from college at all & before you attempt to belittle or feel sorry for me. I still have a higher earning potential than 90 percent of the world. And I mention only because why would I care where oh mighty Michigan ranks in academia...to me it is a super meaningless thing. There is a whole world of smart, intelligent people out there that could care less about an education from Michigan. You Michigan people have a real hard time with that I know, but it's true nonetheless.

I have zero issue with Ben & I don't really even have an issue with Michigan fans & their arrogance but outside of their academic prestige it is completely unfounded.

They have won, one national championship in 60+ years, and are so desperate for relevancy and to be considered in Ohio states scope they literally make up jealousy and false admiration anywhere they can.

Michigan is fine & I will root for them too, I always do. I'm not the jealous type nor do I want to change rosters.

Over the last 15 years Iowa has produced as many or more NFL players than Michigan, so quite frankly what would any of us honestly have to be jealous of?

That's the problem sometimes with having that false propped up arrogance. It makes you lose sight of reality, you picked a Poor battle here friend.

Ps... don't misinterpret my disinterest in college to be a disinterest in knowledge. I thirst for knowledge and educate myself regularly. You should do the same. Maybe then you won't stumble into such a foolish situation.

 

[cmhawks99]

Well certainly the HC would be a the top of the list. Its his job to put the players in position to win titles. I am interested in your opinion on 2015. Given the razor thin margin Iowa lost the BIG title, do you think that KF deserves the credit as well for putting the Hawks in position to win that title? Great call and play in the end zone to Kittle. Beathard throws the ball high, hits Kittle in the hands, but can't bring it in. Ball gets knocked loose, and instead of hitting the ground and allowing Iowa to kick a field goal, its picked off a defenders back for an interception. No penalty called for likely targeting on hit to Kittle's helmet. So KF's fault, or just bad luck. On MSU's final drive the Hawks had several chances to stop them, and missed some tackles, as well as a couple of penalties not called. Comes down to the final play. Scott runs to the right side, and is hit at about the two yard line by three Hawk defenders, Jewell and two others. They stalemate his progress momentarily, but cannot bring him down. The backside DE, #49, (can't remember his name), scrapes across the play and has one last shot at Scott at the one. he wiffs as Scott hesitates, and then leans the ball over the goaline for the winning points. So, bad defense, KF's fault, exemplary play by Scott?
The coaches can only put players in position to make the plays. The staff did that well enough to get Iowa to 12-0, and within inches of a BIG title, and on numerous occasions, players failed to make the critical plays to close out the game. Everybody has a hand in these wins and losses.

Brother this cat is as miserable as they come. I wouldn't bother

 

[mvhomerj]

Did Ross P. have this big a thread when he went to Bama'?

 

[cmhawks99]

Since reading for comprehension is not your strong suite. I need to make something immediately clear to your dumb ass.


My quote

"Asking young men in their late teens to enter into life altering commitments is fraught with pitfalls. The commitments we ask of our student athletes are microscopic when compared to the commitments entered into by the members of our armed forces."

Since "microscopic" is ,evidently, outside your vocabulary let me re-phrase.

The commitments universities seek from student athletes are infinitesimally small compared with commitments entered into by members of our armed forces.

IS THAT BETTER FOR YOU?

Wait......you couldn't deal with microscopic...so......infinitesimally small is probably way out of your vocabulary and most likely not understood by anyone in your household.

He is an a#$

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Since reading for comprehension is not your strong suite. I need to make something immediately clear to your dumb ass.


My quote

"Asking young men in their late teens to enter into life altering commitments is fraught with pitfalls. The commitments we ask of our student athletes are microscopic when compared to the commitments entered into by the members of our armed forces."

Since "microscopic" is ,evidently, outside your vocabulary let me re-phrase.

The commitments universities seek from student athletes are infinitesimally small compared with commitments entered into by members of our armed forces.

IS THAT BETTER FOR YOU?

Wait......you couldn't deal with microscopic...so......infinitesimally small is probably way out of your vocabulary and most likely not understood by anyone in your household.

With such overwhelming knowledge you must know what a "comparison" is, correct? If you were not comparing them, you sure as hell wouldn't have mentioned them, would you? Seems like you need a refresher on vocabulary, along with coming to terms that you're an idiot for using the phrases "Forsaking their promises" and "rescinding their promise/oath" when speaking about verbal college football commitments.

You didn't answer the one question I had for you (shocking). Have you ever taken another employment opportunity while at another job? Please explain the difference and how you're not contributing to the unfortunate outcome in our society.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I think Ross P thread was close. I think Harbaugh is getting double dinged for ollie last year and BVS this year. The Michigan guys can say whatever they want, but from the outside, it looks like the program is falling further behind OSU and PSU.

 

[Uihawks111]

Since reading for comprehension is not your strong suite. I need to make something immediately clear to your dumb ass.


My quote

"Asking young men in their late teens to enter into life altering commitments is fraught with pitfalls. The commitments we ask of our student athletes are microscopic when compared to the commitments entered into by the members of our armed forces."

Since "microscopic" is ,evidently, outside your vocabulary let me re-phrase.

The commitments universities seek from student athletes are infinitesimally small compared with commitments entered into by members of our armed forces.

IS THAT BETTER FOR YOU?

Wait......you couldn't deal with microscopic...so......infinitesimally small is probably way out of your vocabulary and most likely not understood by anyone in your household.

LOL, look in the mirror smart guy

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

I immediately regret posting in this thread.

 

[cmhawks99]

I think Ross P thread was close. I think Harbaugh is getting double dinged for ollie last year and BVS this year. The Michigan guys can say whatever they want, but from the outside, it looks like the program is falling further behind OSU and PSU.

Let's be really honest, Ohio St is on a different level and they have been for 20+ years. I personally don't think Michigan will ever compete on the same consistency level as them ever again.

Penn State neither....go back and look at Penn states historical records. They have had a lot of great teams over the last 40 years, but they have had some real pi&$ers too.

 

[spoke8]

Oh I'm going to have fun with this...you clearly don't know how I interact but to start with....

I started a thread empathizing with Ben and suggesting how I felt sorry for his dilemma and how difficult it must be. If you look you'll find it.

I also have never ever ever ever ever ever in 100 years complained about Iowa losing a recruit. And there are many on here that would vouch for me. It's a useless endeavor and not One I would engage upon.

And here is where it gets fun... I tossed in that similar "lows" with that Wisconsin game very much in mind because I knew that that would be the only logical direction you could go. I know Michigan arrogance well. So yes I set you up.

You scored 29 points vs AF who gave up 35 a game.

You guys averaged 25.8 points a game, even worse than our anemic efforts.

You played 7 teams with a losing record and if I'm not mistaken are one of only two teams, Missouri being the other one, who didn't beat a team with a winning record. The true reality is your lows were a great deal lower than us, I was just trying to lead you into the corner.

The moral of the story being...know your adversary before you start saying things that are easy to shoot down.

Honestly Michigan is an awesome school it truly is. Iowa also is a fine school and I went to neither of them. So honestly why would I care where either one of them rate academically. More to the point I didn't graduate from college at all & before you attempt to belittle or feel sorry for me. I still have a higher earning potential than 90 percent of the world. And I mention only because why would I care where oh mighty Michigan ranks in academia...to me it is a super meaningless thing. There is a whole world of smart, intelligent people out there that could care less about an education from Michigan. You Michigan people have a real hard time with that I know, but it's true nonetheless.

I have zero issue with Ben & I don't really even have an issue with Michigan fans & their arrogance but outside of their academic prestige it is completely unfounded.

They have won, one national championship in 60+ years, and are so desperate for relevancy and to be considered in Ohio states scope they literally make up jealousy and false admiration anywhere they can.

Michigan is fine & I will root for them too, I always do. I'm not the jealous type nor do I want to change rosters.

Over the last 15 years Iowa has produced as many or more NFL players than Michigan, so quite frankly what would any of us honestly have to be jealous of?

That's the problem sometimes with having that false propped up arrogance. It makes you lose sight of reality, you picked a Poor battle here friend.

Ps... don't misinterpret my disinterest in college to be a disinterest in knowledge. I thirst for knowledge and educate myself regularly. You should do the same. Maybe then you won't stumble into such a foolish situation.

You didn't have to tell me that you aren't college educated, I already surmised that. You have a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...LOL.
Good for you...does that make you feel better about your lack of education? Your insecurity is painfully obvious.
But I digress.

Firstly, you are wrong on the NFL players thing, but that's OK, I wouldn't expect you to be
a good counter. M put 22 in the NFL this year. I really don't need to extoll the traditions of Michigan football, I'm pretty secure with that.
Michigans worst losses would be at Penn State and Michigan St. Iowas worst losses were Purdue and an embarrassing day at Wisconsin.
You trying to put lipstick on a pig is fine by me, just not honest. Michigan has underperformed this year no doubt, but your team was not good, hence
a bid to the Pinstripe Bowl.

Finally, you should use that "that thirst for knowledge" to understand that everyone that lives in the US, has a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...in
fact the number is closer to 99%. Maybe you could pull out your Webster's to get a better grasp as to the meaning of "potential."
Have a good night, hope your self education goes well.

 

[cmhawks99]

You didn't have to tell me that you aren't college educated, I already surmised that. You have a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...LOL.
Good for you...does that make you feel better about your lack of education? Your insecurity is painfully obvious.
But I digress.

Firstly, you are wrong on the NFL players thing, but that's OK, I wouldn't expect you to be
a good counter. M put 22 in the NFL this year. I really don't need to extoll the traditions of Michigan football, I'm pretty secure with that.
Michigans worst losses would be at Penn State and Michigan St. Iowas worst losses were Purdue and an embarrassing day at Wisconsin.
You trying to put lipstick on a pig is fine by me, just not honest. Michigan has underperformed this year no doubt, but your team was not good, hence
a bid to the Pinstripe Bowl.

Finally, you should use that "that thirst for knowledge" to understand that everyone that lives in the US, has a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...in
fact the number is closer to 99%. Maybe you could pull out your Webster's to get a better grasp as to the meaning of "potential."
Have a good night, hope your self education goes well.

Not even close friend...not even close.........you fooled no one on here, but yourself.

Incidentally UM did not put 22 kids in the NFL this year. They may have had 22 invited to camps. Which would make sense considering your team was ALL seniors and pretty much every Sr football player that has played for Iowa under KF has made an NFL camp. You have had 76 players drafted since 2000 and Iowa 64. Yet you guys have the same record over that period with much, much higher ranked classes. You clearly are frustrated by it or you wouldn't keep trying to defend it...

Michigan is a pig when it comes right down to. Ohio St is the Prom the King and you guys are the roasted pig....

 

[cmhawks99]

Not even close friend...not even close.........you fooled no one on here, but yourself.

You didn't have to tell me that you aren't college educated, I already surmised that. You have a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...LOL.
Good for you...does that make you feel better about your lack of education? Your insecurity is painfully obvious.
But I digress.

Firstly, you are wrong on the NFL players thing, but that's OK, I wouldn't expect you to be
a good counter. M put 22 in the NFL this year. I really don't need to extoll the traditions of Michigan football, I'm pretty secure with that.
Michigans worst losses would be at Penn State and Michigan St. Iowas worst losses were Purdue and an embarrassing day at Wisconsin.
You trying to put lipstick on a pig is fine by me, just not honest. Michigan has underperformed this year no doubt, but your team was not good, hence
a bid to the Pinstripe Bowl.

Finally, you should use that "that thirst for knowledge" to understand that everyone that lives in the US, has a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...in
fact the number is closer to 99%. Maybe you could pull out your Webster's to get a better grasp as to the meaning of "potential."
Have a good night, hope your self education goes well.

No its pretty specific I knew what it was....Mr. Doucher. You guys are super fun to jack with. The condescension really comes out when you feel threatened, please stick around......Im a tick bored.

 

[cmhawks99]

You didn't have to tell me that you aren't college educated, I already surmised that. You have a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...LOL.
Good for you...does that make you feel better about your lack of education? Your insecurity is painfully obvious.
But I digress.

Firstly, you are wrong on the NFL players thing, but that's OK, I wouldn't expect you to be
a good counter. M put 22 in the NFL this year. I really don't need to extoll the traditions of Michigan football, I'm pretty secure with that.
Michigans worst losses would be at Penn State and Michigan St. Iowas worst losses were Purdue and an embarrassing day at Wisconsin.
You trying to put lipstick on a pig is fine by me, just not honest. Michigan has underperformed this year no doubt, but your team was not good, hence
a bid to the Pinstripe Bowl.

Finally, you should use that "that thirst for knowledge" to understand that everyone that lives in the US, has a "higher earning potential than 90% of the world"...in
fact the number is closer to 99%. Maybe you could pull out your Webster's to get a better grasp as to the meaning of "potential."
Have a good night, hope your self education goes well.

This year....Michigan has under-performed for 15 years...almost 20 really. Your best team in 10 years lost to Iowa...your are losing badly here friend.