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tigerhawk2015 said:
And how does starrocci get two stall calls in the first period without taking one shot? And then rides parallel for over a minute and no calls!!
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Angelo needed better mat awareness on that front. No, I don’t like it but refs are going to ding guys wrestling on the edge like that and not circling back in. And Carter gets away with a lot of stalling imho. Dam parallel ride.

Great match by Angelo. No doubt I think he can beat him, and no doubt Carter was feeling that as well imho.
 
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A Fist Full of Hawkeyes said:
Ferrari showed he can stay with one of the best to ever do it.

IMO - let him redshirt this year and give him a legit chance at being a 4x champ starting next season.
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You’re definitely right. Plus, why just waste a year of Arnold especially after they left him in rs last year when he was clearly the best 184 option, but man. It would be a fun ride to see him go this year
 
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
 
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Sett1997 said:
Need to shirt Angelo, let a few clear out. Kid is a stud. Closest loss all night against the number one pfp.
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Good point i agree. Hes a tough as hell freshman and it clears out big time. Hwt does too. Keuter my bet is a high 3x AA and atleast 1 title after this yr
 
SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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Some truth in this but I don’t really buy your nonsense about Iowa and Oklahoma being “dead spots” on the map. Pennsylvania isn’t California
 
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SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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Man well said brother!
 
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SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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You talk like Penn State is Cabo San Lucas or something. I've been to your area , not much going on there either. What exactly is there to do where you live? Hunt squirrels? Lol
 
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SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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Dude I don’t consider myself an “Iowa fan” but this team literally won a national title in 2021. It’s not like it’s been 25 years. Iowa will be fine. Wrestlers will always want to go to Iowa. They are literally the #2 in the country. Oklahoma state is the #3 team. You’re talking about them like they’re lock haven and Virginia. I was a division 2 wrestler and never made this level but come on. Iowa is a massive brand.
 
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SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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Yeah how could kids consider missing out on all the amazing things to do in the metropolis that is happy valley??? I’m assuming with your smug attitude you’re a psu turd who is sure you’re smarter and know more about wrestling than any of the yokels in Iowa and Oklahoma !!
 
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Lil_bear152 said:
Dude I don’t consider myself an “Iowa fan” but this team literally won a national title in 2021. It’s not like it’s been 25 years. Iowa will be fine. Wrestlers will always want to go to Iowa. They are literally the #2 in the country. Oklahoma state is the #3 team. You’re talking about them like they’re lock haven and Virginia. I was a division 2 wrestler and never made this level but come on. Iowa is a massive brand.
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And yes penn state develops and gets the best out of their guys better than anyone bar none. But Iowa develops as well. Look at the track record. Iowa is one of the best programs in wrestling and will be probably forever unless the administration does something ridiculously stupid
 
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SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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Say less.
 
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If you thought the outcome would have been any different you’re just jaded. This IMO is PSUs best team all around. They have really done something amazing and I don’t know if it changes for a long time. I can recruit and get some kids but PSU just reloads with the best all the time. Nothing against our coaches and University but they are just better and will be for many years.
 
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kwik44 said:
Need a few more like Buchanan and Ferrari. That is how it’s suppose to look. I don’t think Iowa is that far off now.
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We brought in 3 top-3/4 guys this year and we're no closer than we were a year ago. And the PSU JV team would likely be a top 10 team right now. It feels like we are miles behind this PSU program.
 
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dtripp26 said:
We brought in 3 top-3/4 guys this year and we're no closer than we were a year ago. And the PSU JV team would likely be a top 10 team right now. It feels like we are miles behind this PSU program.
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We are and unfortunately have to expect it. All you need to do is look who is at the NLWC. until that changes good luck. That place is Olympic gold central. Hard to say come to IOWA city. We got a couple but our HWC is full of average kids outside of Spencer. He’s all we got in recent memory of kids who want to chase. But it’s a start
 
SeamusGQuaker said:
Here's the deal. You can say what you want, but I've competed at this level. It's a war. Anyone who really expected this to be competitive was smoking their breakfast. Right now, there is no comparison between these two teams. You would think with the money that was put into NIL, Iowa would be able to compete a little better. Penn State is just on a whole other level. Look at their short offense, control of the handfight, etc.
Other than Ayala against an undersized backup, there were 2 takedowns from Iowa, unless I'm mistaken.
Ayala is a solid kid. Ferrari has a future if he keeps his head on straight and stays away from his toxic family. Gabe Arnold is incredibly overrated. He couldn't win Powerade as a high school senior and yet he calls out Starocci two years in a row. He can't beat Ryder, who is waiting in the wings for Penn State. The one year rentals should all get on the podium this year, but the goal should be to recruit well and to develop kids for continual success. That won't happen if they keep throwing random money at rentals for one year. That just isn't sustainable in building a program. I know it hurts feelings based on being a dominant program for so many years. The reality is, no one is going to live in Iowa with nothing to do in 2025 unless someone throws mega money at them. And once again, that goes back to the idea that it isn't sustainable to throw money at one year rentals. The last time Iowa was in the dominant phase, these kids were in diapers or unborn.
Kasak was a one-time PA state champion. That's the type of kid who develops and beats the rental Teemer.
The Brands have good intentions and work hard. They just aren't going to cut it in 2025 and beyond. I would like to say there are positives to move forward, but that was rough, as expected. Some of the humor comes from the Iowa fans rooting for DT to get some recruits who would normally go to Penn State. Even with 60% transfers this year in their lineup, DT won't sniff Penn State. Additionally, I can tell you that most top-tier kids who went to the club DT started think he is a sellout and a goof honestly. Who is moving to Oklahoma in any manner. That place is literally a dead spot on the map.
Even if they pay the top recruits who are right now deciding on a college choice, they won't overtake Penn State. I think we're a while away from the tide shifting anywhere else in wrestling.
The stupid defense mechanisms that Iowa fans come up with to justify their lack of prominence just creates a bad look.
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How is David Taylor any more of a sell out than Carl? He followed the bag of money to Penn State and decimated Iowa State wrestling in the process! Carl is way more of a sell out than David, and it’s not even close.
 
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